Robin Kelly [Cakewalk
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We hear you, right now that's all the info I can give. Just because a thread is active and we have not jumped in does not mean we are not reading and/or discussing feedback internally.

When there is appropriate info to post we will.

Regards,

Robin

n0rd


Is it perfect? - No
I'm just dreaming out aloud - nothing more, nothing less.

cake2010


btw, here´s one channel 1:1 to see the narrowness.
I just like to have lot of channels visible.
But yeah, Nord´s vision is great.

Jim Kalinowski


Since we're offering suggestions for improvements to the CV:

After spending a couple of hours with X1, I've noticed that the MIDI activity "light" at the top of the MIDI meter in a MIDI channel strip is colored red, the same color as a clip overload.  At first I thought, "Why do I have a bunch of tracks clipping?"  Then I realized this was MIDI activity.

Related to this, it seems that in the new CV, it's harder to distinguish between MIDI and audio strips - they look a lot more alike in X1.  I suggest that there be more of a difference between them (in 8.5, the MIDI meters were colored white and were solid, even if you used segmented meters).

Jim

cake2010


@SongCraft: Looks informative, but IMHO not sure if it´s easy to read when there´s 30 channels.

But I totally agree that we should forget the hardware look and consept, and invent something more convenient. Best and useful ideas are usually very simple and possibilities with software are endless... 

mistrbigg


hmm. the narrow strips view in x1 is WAAYYY better than in 8.5.3. IMHO  you just have to read the dang manual.

ive seen a lot of responses to people complaining about how they mix 60 channels of audio (as an example) and have to have the strips narrow which i understand, but, if you use sonar that way.. you are more than likely using a mouse to adjust parameters, and unless you guys have something i dont, like some new cool multi mouse thingy (i want one! hehe), you can only REALLY do that one track at a time (unless you are grouping tracks, in which case i would HIGHLY suggest just adding a stereo or surround buss)

the phase is still there guys, the arm parameter is still there guys, the plot is still there guys, the ins and outs are still there guys, in addition to a gain control now at the top. now it is setup at least in producer, in the pro channel which is FAR better sounding than any of the previous eq's, unless you have the ssl's like i do, and even then, i am finding the prochannel to be better because it sounds AWESOME, the tube sat absolutely kills on vocals, and this is a SOUND RECORDING program.

I know i sound like a dick when i say this, but i just dont care anymore.  These programs (DAWS) are supposed to, to my knowledge, facilitate SOUND.  although i respect non musicians, non REAL producers, and non Engineers that call themselves such as Good, sometimes great or even incredible TECHNICIANS, they ARE NOT REAL MUSICIANS OR PRODUCERS.  not worse because of this, just different.  in many many ways i believe this is the true main reason the music industry is now focused not on music but on marketing (because technology has allowed EVERYONE with a computer and a good internet connection to have access to these recording softwares and music and such) and why it is so hard, though possible to find what more than 80 percent or so of people would agree is GOOD MUSIC.   i read the main "do you use the cv in sonar" thread nearly all the way through and was honestly saddened that so few people even use the cv anymore.  it shows me the technicians are no longer focused so much on shaping sound of real playing, then mixing it, as much as they are programming in sounds that are already performed, sampled, or played by what i personally would consider a real musician.

Sonar to me, is set up more like a real console environment with midi and Software instrumentation as an addition, rather than a midi and design program set up with the audio music as an addition.  it is because of this i use it, i go from tape to sonar x1 and the results so far have been fantastic, radio ready, when the MUSIC is good.  pushing buttons and tapping akai midi controllers definitely take skill, and i'm not knocking it, but calling it making music isn't what it is, its more creating an artistic expression, which in itself is valued the same to me but NOT THE SAME.

back on topic. i think most will find if you read the manual, and learn it, it isnt hard to figure out the console view at all.  and i for one appreciate the effort by cakewalk put forth to obviously make it more like a physical mixing console rather than a fake TOY.  the ONLY problem i have found i cant seem to fix is being able to shift busses around...i like my master bus on the right, not the left and i bus like crazy (most of my mixes have 15 or so mix busses such as drum splines sent to a master drum buss, then massaged, or multiple bass track sources run to one buss, or guitars done similarly or lead vocals, done in multiple takes, ran to one buss, while the backings are ran to another, all the while having the master buss set up with analyzers and bit meters to monitor what the heck is REALLY going on, which is something i am POSITIVE few users do anymore as i am a mastering engineer by profession and now receive SLAMMED mixes ALL the time)

i know a lot of you out there do do this, and im not talkin to you all, i am talking to what i feel is the majority when i say, READ THE DAMN MANUAL, USE THE SOFTWARE, PUSH SOME BUTTONS, FIGURE IT OUT, and most importantly HAVE A LITTLE PATIENCE. 

John T


I don't think anyone could sensibly argue that the narrow strips mode isn't a mess. Wide mode looks fine, so in that sense, sure, you can say the console view design is fundamentally fine, but for anyone who wants / needs the narrow view, that doesn't help them.