cornieleous
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Re:Customization or the lack thereof.
2011/01/08 20:09:57
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The bakers knew this I assume and will lose those customers whose brains do not work in the way the new interface demands and gain others whose brains work in the way the new interface allows. Pretty simple. Or if they want to keep all customers, they can allow customizations. Its amusing how many of you think that presenting different information must be mutually exclusive. Cakewalk could have made their own custom menu presets in 8.5.3 and come out with much the same result as X1 menus, for example. I have to wonder how many people who think customization is a bad idea have actually used it.
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cornieleous
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Re:Customization or the lack thereof.
2011/01/08 20:13:22
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Childish and unproductive. Really?
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John T
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Re:Customization or the lack thereof.
2011/01/08 20:17:03
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cornieleous
I have to wonder how many people who think customization is a bad idea have actually used it.
I don't think anyone's said it's a bad idea.
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Re:Customization or the lack thereof.
2011/01/08 20:39:21
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cornieleous
Standardization is great for those who want their thinking and choices made for them.
EDIT: I should add that standardizing is a good idea in many situations, but not for software with so many features. Most modern software that is very complex has customization to one degree or another.
That seems a little harsh. The point about standards has already been made and standards can serve more than one purpose other than to subjugate a person's thinking or their ability to make choices. It can also create a consistent framework and solid foundation in which to build the future upon. I'm not saying that X1 has built that foundation but it may have. Only time will really tell. Will X1, X2 add more and more customization as it evolves or customers demand it? Can it do so while creating and maintaining a 'standard?' Customization to one degree or another seems to be the question this thread asks. To which degree? Or another?
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Re:Customization or the lack thereof.
2011/01/08 20:42:20
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cornieleous
The bakers knew this I assume and will lose those customers whose brains do not work in the way the new interface demands and gain others whose brains work in the way the new interface allows. Pretty simple.
Or if they want to keep all customers, they can allow customizations. Its amusing how many of you think that presenting different information must be mutually exclusive. Cakewalk could have made their own custom menu presets in 8.5.3 and come out with much the same result as X1 menus, for example.
I have to wonder how many people who think customization is a bad idea have actually used it.
You must not have really read my posts. Most of them suggest that presenting different information need not be mutually exclusive. Again I must assume you didn't read what I've posted.
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Re:Customization or the lack thereof.
2011/01/08 20:43:55
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Childish and unproductive.
Really?
cornieleous, That's pretty weak to take a piece of a post out of contest like that. I could have sworn you put more thought into your posts.
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Re:Customization or the lack thereof.
2011/01/08 20:46:39
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John T
cornieleous
I have to wonder how many people who think customization is a bad idea have actually used it.
I don't think anyone's said it's a bad idea.
Yeah I'm pretty sure John T is correct. You might be reading too much into some of these posts. I personally think it's great idea, within the context of the current X1 paradigm, but you'd already know that if you had read my previous posts.
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Re:Customization or the lack thereof.
2011/01/08 20:47:57
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cornieleous
Standardization is great for those who want their thinking and choices made for them.
Customisation is great for those who'd rather screw around with fonts and colours than get on and do any real audio work. That's not actually my view, just wanted to show how easy it is to take an innocuous discussion point and be a jerk-off about it. Possibly redundant,since you'd already done that.
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Lynn
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Re:Customization or the lack thereof.
2011/01/08 21:21:58
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John T
cornieleous
Standardization is great for those who want their thinking and choices made for them.
Customisation is great for those who'd rather screw around with fonts and colours than get on and do any real audio work.
That's not actually my view, just wanted to show how easy it is to take an innocuous discussion point and be a jerk-off about it. Possibly redundant,since you'd already done that.
OK, I know you're being facetious to make a point. However, it only takes a few minutes to customize a screen for your taste, and then it's forever. It takes me far longer to record a 20 second solo than to customize my screen.
post edited by Lynn - 2011/01/08 23:00:41
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Re:Customization or the lack thereof.
2011/01/08 21:23:49
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John T
cornieleous
Standardization is great for those who want their thinking and choices made for them.
Customisation is great for those who'd rather screw around with fonts and colours than get on and do any real audio work.
That's not actually my view, just wanted to show how easy it is to take an innocuous discussion point and be a jerk-off about it. Possibly redundant,since you'd already done that.
Sometimes being right and being witty at the same time is STILL not enough...remember what ol Robbie Burns said, ol pal: "O wad some power the giftie gie us To see oursel's as ithers see us!"
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Re:Customization or the lack thereof.
2011/01/08 21:23:55
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Well sure. As I say, that's not actually my opinion.
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Re:Customization or the lack thereof.
2011/01/08 21:48:47
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I almost think Cakewalk might be better off not getting involved with this forum and doing what they want and let the chips fall where they may. Customization is overrated. Too much energy wasted and for what? Adapt and work. This is silly. Has been since day one.
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Re:Customization or the lack thereof.
2011/01/08 22:28:02
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I almost think Cakewalk might be better off not getting involved with this forum and doing what they want and let the chips fall where they may. Customization is overrated. Too much energy wasted and for what? Adapt and work. This is silly. Has been since day one.
Customization is not something that a user is obligated to do. If you don't need it or want it you don't have to do it. You say customization is overrated. This sounds like the words of someone who knows very little about the workflow benefits of real customization. However, you are entitled to your opinion as others are entitled to theirs. Dee
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Re:Customization or the lack thereof.
2011/01/08 22:49:43
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What other high end software offers customization? Name one. I'm not trying to argue for the sake of it, I just wonder how greedy Cakewalk users have gotten.
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Re:Customization or the lack thereof.
2011/01/08 22:52:00
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nighthadfallen
What other high end software offers customization? Name one. I'm not trying to argue for the sake of it, I just wonder how greedy Cakewalk users have gotten.
Well, Sonar used to and it is what we paid for and now it has been taken away. I have to wonder if you would support that in any other product you bought.
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Re:Customization or the lack thereof.
2011/01/08 22:53:58
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I respect the right of the authors of the software to implement what they see fit. If I want to buy it, I do. I like Sonar, so I purchased it.
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John T
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Re:Customization or the lack thereof.
2011/01/08 22:54:01
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You don't get My Briefcase in Windows any more either. Stuff changes.
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Re:Customization or the lack thereof.
2011/01/08 22:54:38
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nighthadfallen
What other high end software offers customization? Name one. I'm not trying to argue for the sake of it, I just wonder how greedy Cakewalk users have gotten.
I already have, read the thread. Dee
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Re:Customization or the lack thereof.
2011/01/08 22:57:08
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John T
You don't get My Briefcase in Windows any more either. Stuff changes.
So you are saying that since stuff changes you support anything a company does? If say, Cakewalk decided that they were going to be Mac only, it would be OK because it was their software anyway?
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Re:Customization or the lack thereof.
2011/01/08 22:59:14
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Actually, yeah. It's their business. I don't really care. If they've got a current product that appeals to me, I'll buy it. If not, I won't. I don't owe them, they don't owe me.
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Re:Customization or the lack thereof.
2011/01/08 23:00:37
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John T
Actually, yeah. It's their business. I don't really care. If they've got a current product that appeals to me, I'll buy it. If not, I won't. I don't owe them, they don't owe me.
Now that I officially know to not listen to you I won't.
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John T
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Re:Customization or the lack thereof.
2011/01/08 23:03:04
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I'd have thought that to be a fairly uncontroversial position. I'm puzzled as to what you think is wrong with it.
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Re:Customization or the lack thereof.
2011/01/08 23:04:01
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It is their software. We own versions of it which we opted to buy.
Dees-not sure Auto-Cad qualifies for the argument, or if it did, we'd have to establish some sort of context within which to have the discussion. At the very least, the onus is on you to argue how Auto-Cad can be considered a valid way to make your point.
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Re:Customization or the lack thereof.
2011/01/08 23:10:29
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nighthadfallen
It is their software. We own versions of it which we opted to buy.
Dees-not sure Auto-Cad qualifies for the argument, or if it did, we'd have to establish some sort of context within which to have the discussion. At the very least, the onus is on you to argue how Auto-Cad can be considered a valid way to make your point.
Actually, you own nothing more than the right to use the software until they tell you you can't, but that really isn't the question. I kept purchasing Sonar upgrades because it worked a particular way and it was cheap to do so. That was the deal I made with Cake. I will continue to support you if you will continue to support me. Presently they have decided to cancel that contract. To me, they can easily sort it out. Fix 8.5. I'll even pay for it. They make X1 more compatible with the previous versions. From my doings with X1 it really isn't dissimilar to 8.5 except for the GUI. This gives them a chance to get me to keep paying cake for software, which isn't going to happen at this point.
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John T
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Re:Customization or the lack thereof.
2011/01/08 23:12:44
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Um, no. There's no actual contract for carrying on upgrading. You are completely free to walk away.
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Lynn
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Re:Customization or the lack thereof.
2011/01/08 23:13:44
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nighthadfallen
What other high end software offers customization? Name one. I'm not trying to argue for the sake of it, I just wonder how greedy Cakewalk users have gotten.
It's not greed. CW has always advertised workflow and customization of their products as a selling point. It's what made me choose CW over other DAWs in the first place. It would be like if a car manufacturer took away power steering from their latest models. You wouldn't like it either. All in all, I like X1 very much, but I still would like to have some of the features of previous versions back. Would it be that difficult or compromise the integrity of X1 that much? I don't think so. Can you not agree on that? Lynn
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Re:Customization or the lack thereof.
2011/01/08 23:15:52
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Actually, you own nothing more than the right to use the software until they tell you you can't, but that really isn't the question. Well, we can leave that moot point in the hands of lawyers and philosophers.
Unfortunately for you 10Ten, your love will remain unrequited. So, post as many love letters as you like (cleverly disguised as disgust), but Cakewalk is bigger than you and your lovely requests. She doesn't need you. Sorry, can't help myself. lol.
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Re:Customization or the lack thereof.
2011/01/08 23:18:29
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And that, ol pal...is the problem.
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Re:Customization or the lack thereof.
2011/01/08 23:19:01
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Lynn,
I totally agree with you. I think a reasonable level of compromise is appropriate. I'm baffled though by the level of animosity in the forum.
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nighthadfallen
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Re:Customization or the lack thereof.
2011/01/08 23:20:29
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And that, ol pal...is the problem.
I suspect it's part of the solution too.
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