The experience is open the box, turn it on and starting using the applications immediately. Their model so KISS it is ridiculous. This is why you can have knowledgeable sales people and very good tech support.

Maybe I'm just missing something, but I don't see the connection between being able to use applications immediately, and the need for (or even existence of) knowledgeable sales people and very good tech support. The word "oxymoron" comes to mind...

Sorry, I didn't perceive it to be that challenging of a topic.

Well, there's been "upset" and "fearful" Windows users, to use your terms, and now it's "challenging" topic... I don't think many would find anything challenging about these discussions. And I seriously doubt anyone's actually been upset, not to mention "fearing" any progress Apple *might* be making... I sense a bit of the dramatic in your posts.

I do think it's more the way things seem to flip-flop back and forth; i.e., "everything works and you can do anything you want right out of the box" vs "there are knowledgeable sales people and very good tech support". Knowledgeable about something that a 12 year old needs no help with, and support for the same? Or, "Cakewalk needs to port to the Mac platform or they'll lose the professionals" vs "Sonar is more of a consumer app anyway, which is important since that's where the bigger market is". So, which one was it again?

Or maybe... Gordon is on the mark?

Ahh.. I didn't realise you had also made "the list"!

He blocked me at my first post. I just hate hypocrites and want a fair shot at him...but alas, he has not the cojones to unblock anyone he feels can actually threaten his argument. I haven't even touched on the actual subject matter because there really is no point unless he comes to the debate podium as well, so to speak. Oh well, I just like reading all the replies and laughing...but my competitive side says "buy a ticket to Tampa and hunt him down until he HAS to listen to me." Then, of course, I realize that childish behavior on an anonymous internet forum cannot be dealt with effectively with my childish and hot-headed ramblings. He's just a tool...I gotta keep reminding myself of that... He's just a tool, He's just a tool, He's just a tool...Am I back in Kansas yet?

So what you saying with that quote axe is that basically when you come down to it MAC's are for f*ckwits?

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Well that explains why so many big-time studios use them. Let's face it, it's hard to find a top studio that doesn't use macs.

Well that explains why so many big-time studios use them.

I'd imagine it's more because it costs time and money to break certain traditions. Not that every studio would switch if given the opportunity anyway - preferences and all - but I wonder where we'd be today if 10 years the differences between the Mac and Windows platforms were as minimal as they are now...

ORIGINAL: stevec

Well that explains why so many big-time studios use them.

I'd imagine it's more because it costs time and money to break certain traditions. Not that every studio would switch if given the opportunity anyway - preferences and all - but I wonder where we'd be today if 10 years ago the differences between the Mac and Windows platforms were as minimal as they are now...

Well, for one thing we probably wouldn't see so many pc users expressing so much resentiment against macs.

Take care,

I do find this fascinating actually. I mean, back in 1987, Mac OS was waaaaaay better than Windows. It wasn't even funny how far behind Windows was.

Not to mention it used to be all about the CISC vs. RISC debate. Which slowly became less and less important as both types added more and more long streaming instructions and the CISC chips added fast instruction decode steps that ceased to cost any clock cycles.

But now they're on the same hardware... and somehow that's due to Apple's innovation?!?

ORIGINAL: vintagevibe

These Mac vs. PC "debates" have been going on for at least the last 20 years. In those 20 years the market share of Apple hasn't changed much nor have the arguments on both sides. Today there is no real difference between the Mac OS and Windows and yet you still have the phenomenon of the Mac religious zealot. They are much like the Jehovah's witnesses who come to your door to tell you that your beliefs are not good enough and that you need to follow their beliefs. It's an interesting phenomenon. You don't see PC users needing to justify their platform by trying to coerce others into adopting it. I work on Mac's quite frequently and vastly prefer Windows. I don't need anyone else to adopt my preferences in order for me too feel justified in those preferences. There are always seem to be a few Mac zealots that can't accept this way of thinking. I've been casually watching this thread and Axe's Mac vs. PC thread and it is truly amazing how much energy this guy puts into trying to make other's adopt his platform - read: religious beliefs. Anyone have any thoughts as to why he is like this?

You sound a lot like a Windows zealot to me.

I have no angst for Windows users as I am one and will be for quite some time. I am comfortable with it and can make it perform quite well, I need OSX for projects that I work on and doing this on one PC is pretty nice. Note dual booting is not a big deal everyone that seriously uses their Windows DAW is already doing it. The difference is that when I dual boot I can boot into OSX and put my Sonar work to good use

The fact that the Intel Mac offers you the ability to seriously run natively run Windows XP/Vista is a pretty big deal to a lot of people that are required to use both OS's. If you read this thread you will quickly observe that this applies to many professionals using Sonar. It would be quite difficult to survive at any level in the industry running Windows only. You would just lose too many opportunities.

It is pretty entertaining to watch of handful of Windows zealots wriggle and whine with the knowledge that something new just may be on the horizon. Just like it is entertaining to watch the whiners every year cry about the Sonar upgrades. It is the same mentality: small minded people that cannot adapt to change. They find themselves left behind and at the end of the line all through their life and are surrounded by a negative aura. I just find it amazing to watch them and ensure not to be one of them.

Fear is the sign of weakness and anger the symbol of ignorance

Change is good progress is a sign of health!

Fear is the sign of weakness and anger the symbol of ignorance

likewise, **** and unfounded arguments are a sign of ignorance.

ORIGINAL: axe
It is pretty entertaining to watch of handful of Windows zealots wriggle and whine with the knowledge that something new just may be on the horizon. Just like it is entertaining to watch the whiners every year cry about the Sonar upgrades. It is the same mentality: small minded people that cannot adapt to change. They find themselves left behind and at the end of the line all through their life and are surrounded by a negative aura. I just find it amazing to watch them and ensure not to be one of them.
Fear is the sign of weakness and anger the symbol of ignorance
Change is good progress is a sign of health!

It is not very entertaining to watch 1 ignorant MAC zealot wriggle and whine
with the knowledge that something new just may be on the horizon.
A small minded bigot that cannot adapt to change.
Soon he'll be left behind and at the end of the line,
all through his life surrounded by a negative aura.
I just find it amazing to watch him and ensure not to be like him.
Over and over again displaying signs of stupidity and ignorance.

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Relax everyone in the knowledge that this idiot will be crying
into his wallet when Apple drop out of the Operating System
market altogether and becoming just another PC reseller...

Oh there's something new on the horizon alright....
MACS are morphing into PCs!!!.
Soon the majority of MACS will be running Vista and
OSX will be a quaint anachronism from the past..

Whatever the reason.. he definitely has a vested interest ..
He's not smart enough to hide it.

Actually, even though I found it frustrating at 1st,
I'm beginning to enjoy the fact that has blocked me.
or at least said he blocked me...

Because now I can openly criticise his idiotic ravings
without having to endure his inane replies.

It's doubly enjoyable if he hasn't blocked me and
is seeing everything I post, because , if that's the case,
he's trapped himself into not being able to respond
to anything I add to the debate.

In that light, blocking was a stupid thing to do.

But what else would you expect from Axe?

ORIGINAL: ooblecaboodle

Fear is the sign of weakness and anger the symbol of ignorance

likewise, **** and unfounded arguments are a sign of ignorance.

I see much anger in you Oobie

It will be your downfall

Axe!

I can see you!
but you can't see me!