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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/13 16:07:47
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entertaining to me and perfectly represent the Windows zealot... it actually entertains me and makes you look like a raving fool.
I guess we have something in common then, because I also find you entertaining, perfectly representing the Mac zealot, and you often appear like a raving fool. 
it should be pretty obvious that I feel that Apple is on a roll and they are.
Yup, no doubt. And yes, I think Apple is doing much better now in the PC market than ever. They're just not the best or right platform for everyone. End of story.
The even more sad part is that they are not happy with their own sad state of affairs
Well, I know that I certainly don't fall into that group, real or imaginary. As I've stated many times over I'm perfectly happy running Sonar on Windows. My machine runs well, I haven't had the need to tweak anything since I first got it, and when I boot up it just works. Plain and simple.
It is sad that there are always a few people that want to reject new ideas and new opportunities but they exist.
Nah, I don't think anyone is *really* rejecting any ideas or opportunities. Just your presentation of them. 
@#$%... didn't I say I was off the parade? Every time I try to get out, they draaag me back in...
You forgot "nana nana boo boo" Another fine post that makes me look good, please continue!
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/13 16:31:25
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Well, if your definition of "looking good" comes from statements that Macs just aren't the best platform for everyone, some people can run Windows without any problems, and maybe (just maybe) your written presentation is not all that convincing... then there are probably more issues going on upstairs than anyone thought.  Good luck, and happy movie making. BTW, how's this for your next signature? Do your homework, and you might want to consider a Mac Intel as your next real computer. I did! And it runs Windoze too, for times when you're feeling a little nostalgic. Ahh... Oh, where was I? Oh yeah - stay tuned for the next big cat event, Leopard, appearing in five, four, three, two... er, four, three, two... uh, three, two... Edit: "nana nana boo boo" There, *now* it's complete.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/13 16:43:51
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Thank you I couldn't pay someone to do a better job
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/13 17:34:29
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Well, at least you're polite, and you use smileys. Edit: Since I am doing a good job, I will gladly accept cash payments. If Apple does as well with the iPhone as they did with the iPod, you should have a little extra cash lying around.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/13 18:41:01
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ORIGINAL: axe
Reading through, it should be pretty obvious that I feel that Apple is on a roll and they are. Sure they are: If you call their share price dropping 3% "a roll". Oh they're rolling all right..
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/13 19:06:25
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For info, Ive given up on the banter on the P5 forum, and I do believe AXE blocked me, however if you missed it you can have a look at one of the things I brought up here. http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page MAC OSX is designed to run on PCs. The Intel MAC itself is nothing but a trumped up PC with hardware installed that allows it to act as a dongle for MAC OS X, which looks for it on installation. OSx86 has been around for some time now. So MAC OSX is a piece of PC Software that is restricted, and the Intel MAC is just another PC, that acts as a dongle. Judge what you will from this.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/13 19:11:23
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I like that they had to pull OS X developers off to work on iPhone... all to get what's got to be the most overpriced communication device I've ever seen, particularly considering that by the time its released, there will be (and in fact already are) 3 or 4 competitors selling nearly the same thing for $150 instead of $500. I think this one's going to bite them in the... Bad decision, for a non-revolutionary product by the time its out, being marketed as something that changes the world. They know they're against the clock... which is why they pulled resources. If there is too much competition at even half the price, they're out before they're out, and they know it. I was frankly shocked to see that their offerings this year were: iPhone - overpriced, overbudget, stealing resources, and not alone in its field once released iTV - nearly useless, and 3 years behind everyone else doing the same thing It's no wonder their stock is faltering, and it will falter MUCH more when the number come in from iPhone sales. Its sexy... its sleek... its a Mac... and its FAR too expensive for too many to buy. It won't be a winner, and clearly isn't Apple reinventing the phone. I mean, come on... a phone/mobile media center and a TV interface for iTunes with a 40GB hard drive!!! Goodness, that's lame for them. We (me and the other Mac guys here at work) were all expecting more, but what we got was a hint at Apple changing corporate direction away from computers to media devices. I think they're betting that their iPod success will port over to other mobile and media devices, which is very risky. The product's already up against competition that's out now, and even with a couple of features the others don't have, it's still last out the gate, and that's a difficult thing to overcome. It CAN be overcome, but its difficult. They'll throw there usual add campaigns at it, and it might work... but it might now. But they need it out... YESTERDAY. Perfect example of a real-world scenario of software development: - new stuff takes resources, and costs money, hence the inflated price of both their new products (iPhone & iTV are both twice as much as I would consider paying), and hits other products (like Leopard and Final Cut and Logic Pro 8). It's actually a perfect example of why porting Sonar to Mac or Linux is a bad idea... other products will suffer, and costs will rise. When your "new" products are entering an already populated field, your in an uphill battle to succeed. And communications, a field I'm in, is a VERY difficult business to get into. In THIS business (communications), its not uncommon for people to GIVE hardware away for a couple of years, and consumers are accustomed to signing a 2 year contract and paying $50 to get a shizzo phone... NOT the model they are accustomed to. Now, perhaps a completely new Cake DAW for Mac... that would work better... no existing code, less shared code... In any event, as I said in another thread... I don't care anymore. Whatever Cake desides, and I'll go from there. - z
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/13 19:30:43
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I like that they had to pull OS X developers off to work on iPhone... all to get what's got to be the most overpriced communication device I've ever seen, particularly considering that by the time its released, there will be (and in fact already are) 3 or 4 competitors selling nearly the same thing for $150 instead of $500.
I think this one's going to bite them in the...
Bad decision, for a non-revolutionary product, being marketed as something that changes the world.
I was shocked to see that their offerings this year were:
iPhone - overpriced, overbudget, stealing resources, and not alone in its field once released
iTV - nearly useless, and 3 years behind everyone else doing the same thing
It's no wonder their stock is faltering, and it will falter MUCH more when the number come in from iPhone sales. Its sexy... its sleek... its a Mac... and its FAR too expensive for too many to buy. It won't be a winner, and clearly isn't Apple reinventing the phone. The product's already up against competition that's out now, and even with a couple of features they don't have, it's still last out the gate, and that's a difficult thing to overcome.
It CAN be overcome, but its difficult.
Perfect example of a real-world scenario of software development:
- new stuff takes resources, and costs money, hence the inflated price of both their new products (iPhone & iTV are both twice as much as I would consider paying), and hits other products (like Leopard and Final Cut and Logic Pro 8).
It's actually a perfect example of why porting Sonar to Mac or Linux is a bad idea... other products will suffer, and costs will rise.
Now, perhaps a completely new Cake DAW for Mac... that would work better... no existing code, less shared code...
In any event, as I said in another thread...
I don't care anymore.
Whatever Cake desides, and I'll go from there.
- z
I would agree that the iPhone line is a bunch of poo and everyone knows it. They are having trouble with their "secret features" and that is why they are still completely top secret and not released to developers. We'll know the "secret features" by June when the 1st actual betas are handed out. The point here is that Tiger is still well beyond Vista, so Apple put off greatly extending the lead for a quarter. Big deal  As for the stock comment, don't quite your day job Seeing some numbers a guy posted on the P5 forum, I was shocked to see the amount of market share Apple really had. Unless Apple shoots themselves the iPhone is looking to be a huge as once again they are at the head of the innovation pack. Please, if you have a smart phone that you think is the be all end all speak up, they are all extreme compromises. If competitors could make something better than the iPhone they already would have, they will need to see the iPhone to be able duplicate the features of the iPhone. It's tough being an innovator. 100 Million iPODs that is unreal, will the iPhone make it? Wait and see.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/13 21:45:11
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From the same post... I would agree that the iPhone line is a bunch of poo and everyone knows it.
Unless Apple shoots themselves the iPhone is looking to be a huge as once again they are at the head of the innovation pack. Are you accidentally misquoting someone or contradicting yourself? anyway, back to the pont... You have failed to get your facts straight or make even a pathetic attempt at an argument. You look foolish as you come back for beating after beating.
You have been proven wrong, your attempts to lie turned back on you so where now? Where exactly have I been proven wrong? You said macs were currently the fastest machines available... We proved you wrong. Yet you still pretend you're correct, and shirk away from this issue.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/13 22:00:22
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It's one thing if you extend an idea, or follow a "software pattern" established by someone else, but using code is quite a different thing.
I don't know about the TCP stack stuff... if it's the idea or the model, no problem for me anyway (though there are "idea" patents)... if its the code, they should pay royalties if commercial, and give credit if its OS.
As for being based in FreeBSD... I don't remember. I'll have to look it up.
But keep in mind that there are different versions of BSD, not all of which have "true" OS licenses, and some of which cost money...
I have no idea which Apple used, and as far as I know their use of BSD is completely above-board. Sorry, i didn't mean to sugegst that either has been underhanded in their use of BSD code, and I was referring to FreeBSD. The code used in Windows is used legitimately, and to the best of my knowledge, so is the code used in OSX - at least I have no reason to think otherwise. I simply mentioned FreeBSD as a point of interest. As for apple using OSS and not gicing credit, well, that is a bit worrying. Out of curiosity, does the apt-get function work under the OSX command prompt? in which case, it could be quite easy for users to get open source addons, or possibly even use a package manager? Beryl on OSX even (it might have already been done)
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/13 23:08:13
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I think they're betting that their iPod success will port over to other mobile and media devices, which is very risky. true, but as a content producer I'm glad they are taking these risks. While iTunes is selling 5 million songs per day, there's the chance that the market could move more towards mobile/OTA (as it is currently 90% in Japan) and since iTunes has proved financially beneficial to independents a successful iPhone could improve things still. It appears the movie/video downloads are also having some success on iTunes...so these customers willing to buy to view on the small video iPod screen or computer are good candidates for Apple TV. Again presenting great opportunities for independents.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/13 23:25:35
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100 Million iPODs that is unreal, will the iPhone make it? Wait and see. I doubt the iPhone proper will, but I'm sure there will be iPhone Nanos etc at different price points and with that they can surely reach 100 million. Nokia I believe sold nearly 70 million music phones last year alone.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/13 23:53:49
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I like that they had to pull OS X developers off to work on iPhone... all to get what's got to be the most overpriced communication device I've ever seen, particularly considering that by the time its released, there will be (and in fact already are) 3 or 4 competitors selling nearly the same thing for $150 instead of $500.
The idea behind the iPhone is convergence, which is also its problem. Samsung has a better phone already. They, Nokia, et al, are more experienced making phones. It's actually kind of strange for Apple to be making a phone. I mean, it's a phone. Wahoo. Talk about old technology. But, everything is going to the phone. Talk, text, internet, music, video. It may destroy land line telephone companies, cable companies, and all other forms of internet access. So, there goes Apple. But, Apple has a distribution system in place that only comes in one format: theirs. And nobody else's phone can play it. What's so great about their distribution system? Apple has basically become what used to be called a record company, only they don't pay for the promotion of artists. Since nobody does, I guess that makes them about as good as any, except that you don't have to sign a contract giving away more than you should with them. So, why won't the iPhone be a success? It costs too much. Cell phones are all the rage these days. Everybody is selling wireless service. Multiple kiosks in every mall. Landline phone companies. Newegg. Everybody and their mom sells wireless service these days. Which means that they are making a lot of money on it, which is what happens right before they have to start packing it with features. Apple want a revolution? How about unlimited wireless, unlimited texting, downloading, etc etc etc., making your iPhone a portable computer. Maybe it'll be worth it then. Maybe you can rock the telecommunications world. A phone whose only advantage over Samsung is that it plays your format of DRM (which you allegedly hate) is a looooooooser.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/14 00:12:57
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Now, perhaps a completely new Cake DAW for Mac... that would work better... no existing code, less shared code...
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/14 00:30:29
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Project 5? ORIGINAL: jb
Now, perhaps a completely new Cake DAW for Mac... that would work better... no existing code, less shared code...
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/14 00:37:57
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ORIGINAL: Howdy
It may destroy land line telephone companies, cable companies, and all other forms of internet access.
I don't know how it is in the states but here in Europe, these are the same companies (BT, France Telecom, KPN, Deutsche Telecom etc). Most offer all the services (Internet, Fixed telephony, Mobile telephony, telco services, TV etc). So they are just shifting their own markets.
Apple want a revolution? How about unlimited wireless, unlimited texting, downloading, etc etc etc., making your iPhone a portable computer.
But apple are not a telco. They can't offer any of those services right now! They just offer a device to use those services. I must say that when I looked arround the web after iPhone was mentioned here a few times, I wasn't too impressed by what I saw. My phone doesn't play MP3s or take pictures or whatever but loads of people buy these kind of phones so my idea of a good phone is obviously different than the general public. Still... even with that in mind, I have serious doubts. AXE mentions special secret features. They must be very special or the price won't warrant what the iPhone offers. The iPod had iTunes to make it more interesting than just any MP3 player. (It has never been the best MP3 player on the market!) but the iPhone is competing against large corps with alot of experience in mobile phones. (Nokia, Samsung, Siemens etc). This is a very big gamble for them. Btw, another thing about Apple's market share: With Bootcamp, a section of Apple's market share is actually also Microsoft's market share while the opposit often isn't true. Yes Bootcamp has attracted Windows users to the Apple hardware but they might also tempt some current OS X users to try out Windows and, more importantly, applications only available for Windows as these people don't need to buy any extra hardware to check it out. Apple has opened the door to their hardware for Windows users but they have also opened the door to Microsoft.... Also, the reason for the big labels to go with iTunes is because Apple could offer them DRM guarantees that others couldn't. If DRM for music goes away, that advantage is lost and the big labels can start selling their stuff themselves or through other retailers. They can finaly put some leverage on Apple where they couldn't before. Could Apple be shooting themselves in the foot on several fronts at the same time? One thing is sure: The future is not clear. UnderTow
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/14 00:57:30
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(It has never been the best MP3 player on the market!)
agreed. never has been, and still isn't. It's primarily a marketing triumph.
but the iPhone is competing against large corps with alot of experience in mobile phones. (Nokia, Samsung, Siemens etc). This is a very big gamble for them.
got no choice, Nokia and Samsung are gunning for the iPod. Apple has no choice but to respond.
Btw, another thing about Apple's market share: With Bootcamp, a section of Apple's market share is actually also Microsoft's market share while the opposit often isn't true.
I think someone mentioned a few weeks back in one of these threads that Apple isn't really competing with Microsoft, they are really competing against Dell, Toshiba etc when it comes to computers.
If DRM for music goes away, that advantage is lost and the big labels can start selling their stuff themselves or through other retailers.
True...though it's been noted that only 3% of music on the average iPod comes from the iTunes store. In general the iPod is the brand of choice for those ripping from CD, or downloading from P2P
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/14 01:04:44
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I think someone mentioned a few weeks back in one of these threads that
Apple isn't really competing with Microsoft, they are really competing against
Dell, Toshiba etc when it comes to computers. Far from being a competitor with microsoft Apple are now a PC builder. Their PCs come bundled with a giant software dongle called OSX.
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D.Triny
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/14 01:06:32
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There PCs come bundled with a giant software dongle called OSX. ok 
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2007/04/14 01:11:37
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Their PCs come bundled with a giant software dongle called OSX. So the next logical step, if they want to sell more of these PCs, is to remove the Dongle.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/14 01:13:37
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making your iPhone a portable computer. Maybe it'll be worth it then. \ I believe this is their exact strategy. Microsoft has been working to introduce the concept of the "Ultramobile PC" (Origami) which requires educating the public...last I checked the devices cost around $1000 or so. I believe Apple is using the concept of a cell phone, but the real intention is to mass market the concept of Ultramobile PC's...and at this point they would be significantly undercutting Microsoft's pricing. Still iPhone has a tough struggle ahead...looking forward to see how it plays out. I know it's one of the top "spam scams" out on Myspace right now, so the visibility is there.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/14 01:30:21
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ORIGINAL: axe
The point here is that Tiger is still well beyond Vista, so Apple put off greatly extending the lead for a quarter. Big deal
In what way? Tiger doesn't even have core affinity and the MACH kernel isn't very efficient either. It isn't for nothing that the same apps run faster on Windows than on OS X on the same hardware. And you really need to forget the idea that "OS X was built from the ground up for multimedia". Darwin and BSD existed before the term multimedia was even coined! Core Audio is cool but it is really an add-on to the existing innards of the OS and not much different to WaveRT. At least not in practical use.
Seeing some numbers a guy posted on the P5 forum, I was shocked to see the amount of market share Apple really had.
See my other comments about market share.
Unless Apple shoots themselves the iPhone is looking to be a huge as once again they are at the head of the innovation pack.
I thought it was a bunch of poo. Anyway, the iPhone isn't even on the market yet! Not only do Nokia, Samsung, Ben-Q etc allready have similar products on the market right now but they will probably have a few new products out by the time the iPhone comes out. So what is special about the iPhone? What is the innovation? So far all I see is more memory than the the others (but unlike the others, with no way to extend it with extra cards). Thats about it.
If competitors could make something better than the iPhone they already would have, they will need to see the iPhone to be able duplicate the features of the iPhone. It's tough being an innovator.
Better than the iPhone? Listen to yourself. The iPhone isn't even a product yet! Any phone is better than the iPhone at this point in time because they can actually be bought and used! Seriously, what is it that you think is so special about the iPhone (as far as we know about it's featurs now)? I'm curious. UnderTow
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/14 01:37:12
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ORIGINAL: D.Triny
got no choice, Nokia and Samsung are gunning for the iPod. Apple has no choice but to respond.
That is a very good point and it is good that you mention it. Rather than heralding great new technology, Apple are actually reacting to the market.
I think someone mentioned a few weeks back in one of these threads that Apple isn't really competing with Microsoft, they are really competing against Dell, Toshiba etc when it comes to computers.
Oh I agree with that but my point was that those OS market share figures might not entirely relflect the real figures. Or where the market share figures AXE was refering to computer hardware market share figures?
True...though it's been noted that only 3% of music on the average iPod comes from the iTunes store. In general the iPod is the brand of choice for those ripping from CD, or downloading from P2P
Agreed but I think that the iPod+iTunes combination is part of the iPod's success. If the iTunes exclusivity is gone, the iPod might not be as attractive to alot of people. UnderTow
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/14 01:41:49
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ORIGINAL: D.Triny
Their PCs come bundled with a giant software dongle called OSX. So the next logical step, if they want to sell more of these PCs, is to remove the Dongle.
Wait. It is the other way round. The dongle is the computer itself. And it is a dongle for OS X. There is nothing preventing people from using Windows on these Macs. They could theoreticaly sell Macs that come with Windows installed and no OS-X. This is a business decision and not a dongle issue. UnderTow
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/14 01:44:21
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got no choice, Nokia and Samsung are gunning for the iPod. Apple has no choice but to respond.
That is a very good point and it is good that you mention it. Rather than heralding great new technology, Apple are actually reacting to the market and all the new technology in phones.
I think someone mentioned a few weeks back in one of these threads that Apple isn't really competing with Microsoft, they are really competing against Dell, Toshiba etc when it comes to computers.
Oh I agree with that but my point was that those OS market share figures might not entirely relflect the real figures. Or where the market share figures AXE was refering to computer hardware market share figures?
True...though it's been noted that only 3% of music on the average iPod comes from the iTunes store. In general the iPod is the brand of choice for those ripping from CD, or downloading from P2P
Agreed but I think that the iPod+iTunes combination is part of the iPod's success. If the iTunes exclusivity is gone, the iPod might not be as attractive to alot of people. UnderTow
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/14 01:47:20
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ORIGINAL: UnderTow
That is a very good point and it is good that you mention it. Rather than heralding great new technology, Apple are actually reacting to the market.
yes, which is what they did with iPod. Which wasn't first to market, even though many seem to think so. They currently have 70% of the market in the US (and I think 50% worldwide) but the Zune is going to come on strong this summer.
Oh I agree with that but my point was that those OS market share figures might not entirely relflect the real figures. Or where the market share figures AXE was refering to computer hardware market share figures?
oh. I've given up on the marketshare debate, it is what is, and what it is, is what is good enough for me.
Agreed but I think that the iPod+iTunes combination is part of the iPod's success. If the iTunes exclusivity is gone, the iPod might not be as attractive to alot of people.
another bit of clever marketing I think. I agree it's iPod+iTunes thats a big part of the success. But the "iTunes" in that equation would be the jukebox aspect of it. I mean the store is nice too, but hardly anyone uses it (relatively speaking). Then the jukebox popularity (even though it isn't the best) starts feeding the store. Which they also did correctly (more of a store than a online music magazine).
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/14 01:55:57
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Wait. It is the other way round. The dongle is the computer itself. And it is a dongle for OS X. There is nothing preventing people from using Windows on these Macs. They could theoreticaly sell Macs that come with Windows installed and no OS-X. This is a business decision and not a dongle issue. thanks I agree 100%, but if I had said it I'm convinced bigweb would have disagreed just to disagree
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/14 02:05:21
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ORIGINAL: UnderTow
Wait. It is the other way round. The dongle is the computer itself. And it is a dongle for OS X. There is nothing preventing people from using Windows on these Macs. They could theoreticaly sell Macs that come with Windows installed and no OS-X. This is a business decision and not a dongle issue. Don't they have to have OSX installed to run Boot Camp?
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/14 02:06:55
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ORIGINAL: D.Triny
thanks I agree 100%, but if I had said it I'm convinced bigweb would have disagreed just to disagree hehehehe Just because I disagree with many of the points you make Mr Triny does not mean I'm disagreeing for disagreements sake.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/14 02:10:32
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does not mean I'm disagreeing for disagreements sake. then you'll surely agree that you had the dongle analogy backwards ?
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