It is pretty entertaining to watch of handful of Windows zealots wriggle and whine with the knowledge that something new just may be on the horizon.

Let's see... we've got:
- upset
- fear
- wriggle
- whine

Fear is the sign of weakness and anger the symbol of ignorance

Oops, forgot "anger". Gee, those Windows folks have all kinds of ailments.

Change is good progress is a sign of health!

Ahhh... So as long as *something* changes then it's progress, and health will follow. Got it.

I see much anger in you Oobie

It will be your downfall

Damned straight you see much anger. I don't suffer fools, or pillocks gladly.
Now are you actually going to reply to our questioning of you? Or are you going to continue to be a prick?

You argued that you were on about intels all along, but both myself and UnderTow have pointed out that you were lying. Are you actually going to respond? Try to defend yourself? Or are you just going to pretend that didn't happen, and continue your parade.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070412/ap_on_hi_te/apple_product_delay

Good times.

ORIGINAL: fetishfrog
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070412/ap_on_hi_te/apple_product_delay

Here it comes.
Apple morphing into a multimedia gadget company.
Mac OS development is now definitely on the back burner.
How long before it's dropped altogether?

And Axe can't see anything I'm writing.

Some of the things they've stated were "next generation" are things like:
Shades
True 64bit support

Funny thing is, the first one is now a decade old (roughly), and the second one was also a tag line for Tiger. At the time, they touted it as a 64bit OS... now, they're saying Leopard is more 64bit than Tiger.
Having their cake and eating it to, IMHO.

They use the same tactic with EVERYTHING they release or upgrade anything... and many times they'll echo what they said about the last release or upgrade of the same product.
It's actually quite funny.

Personally, I don't listen/watch adds anyway. I do my investigation a bit more methodically than to go to the Mac store or watch the commercials and take what they say as truth.

Despite the fact that I use and like Macs, and really will continue to, I'm always amazed at how everything they do is groundbreaking, and original... and people still fall for it.
Apple reinvents the phone.
The most advanced OS on the planet.

Advertisements that people take like the ten commandments.

But it works if your userbase is less computer savvy, and if that's what they're marketing too... cool.

For example, if you haven't used Linux desktops at all or very long, you might not know that Shades is another open-source hack they're disrespectfully taking credit for. They have TONS of OS projects in their code, which sort of shocks me, since they don't give credit where credit is due, which actually breaks the EULA of most open source projects... and, they don't give it away, which also breaks the Open Source licenses.

In many ways, they are wrapping other people's work in a very real way.
Fault MS all you want, but that's shady, and unethical.
So, we have two majorly unethical software companies to choose from, and all the apps you want to use are written for one or the other, or both.

"Apple's ethical... on your side... the wave of the future... pro-consumer... anti DRM"
Give me a break.

Such statements are based entirely in ignorance and inexperience, and the inability to take of the rose-colored glasses.
This is the computer business... that's all it is... and it's all the same.

Take care,
- zevo

It's one thing if you extend an idea, or follow a "software pattern" established by someone else, but using code is quite a different thing.

I don't know about the TCP stack stuff... if it's the idea or the model, no problem for me anyway (though there are "idea" patents)... if its the code, they should pay royalties if commercial, and give credit if its OS.

As for being based in FreeBSD... I don't remember. I'll have to look it up.
But keep in mind that there are different versions of BSD, not all of which have "true" OS licenses, and some of which cost money...
I have no idea which Apple used, and as far as I know their use of BSD is completely above-board.

I'm speaking about the underlying tools OS X is using that are definitely open source projects... and their inclusion of OS code without "proper" props given.
I'm sure MS has done the same...

But, like I said... neither are ethical in reality (MS or Apple). Saying they are is just ignorant/inexperienced.
Doesn't mean Macs don't rock... I love mine.

It's just funny to listen to people toute the same media propaganda over and over as if its fact. It makes me think they are VERY new noobs to this stuff, and like new converts of almost everything, haven't had enough experience to temper their view.

I watched a Steve Jobs PR bit when he announced the move to Intel. It was, without a doubt, one of the best PR orchestrations I've every seen. It had energy... it had charisma... and it was filled with completely re-arranged facts to support its assertions.
For example: for years, Apple talked about the superiority of the G4/G5 line over the Intel counterparts... but in the release, that history was re-written...

I remember the line that made me chuckle: he basically said that porting OS X to Intel was a good move for this and that reason. After he had everybody on board, he talked about how difficult the transition might be, and then took a pause. Then, he brought up a map of the Apple campus, and paused again... and then took his pointer to a little building and said (paraphrasing) "see this little building right here... this is where we've been covertly taking on the Intel move for a long time now." He said it in his usual... "look at how prepared and great we are" way... almost snide, IMO.
And the crowd went wild... hailing their king for his ability to think into the future and out of the box.

I'm sure this is still online somewhere... go watch it. It's great.

Now... what made me chuckle was this:
- they had been doing the same orchestrations to illustrate why NOT to go intel for years
- and, more importantly, BSD ALREADY WORKED AS AN x86 app!!! They had to port it to G4/G5 and their vision of it in the first place.

What I really like was the cult's response: they took the rearranged facts and the "high" from spending time with the king, and came up with all sorts of arguments to give people who pointed out what I just pointed out: BSD didn't need a "black ops" project to make it work on Intel, and "didn't they say Intel sucked for like... a decade."

Yeah... just skipped over that, and the cult forgot about it immediately.
I don't know what they pump into the air at the PR events, but I want some...

Funny thing is... there REALLY IS no arguing with one of the converts. They're sold... it's a mindset that really does mimic religions. I never got anything but arguments when I pointed out that BSD already worked on Intel, and that G4/G5 was touted as being better in much the same way.
It went... exactly where this thread, and ALL others to come (and I'm sure he'll start many, many, many more)... nowhere.

It doesn't matter. People can do what they want.
It's sad to see forum members stirred into arguments by an individual who wants exactly that, and prods for exactly that.
I'm not even convinced anymore that there is only one username for one individual involved, but who knows... and it doesn't matter. Not a conspiracy theory or anything... it's troll 201.

I think everyone's being played...

I don't see many Mac or Windows zealots on this forum... frankly.

- zevo

doubled again!!!

I keep hitting "Quote" instead of "Edit".

DOH!

ORIGINAL: ooblecaboodle

I see much anger in you Oobie

It will be your downfall

Damned straight you see much anger. I don't suffer fools, or pillocks gladly.
Now are you actually going to reply to our questioning of you? Or are you going to continue to be a prick?

You argued that you were on about intels all along, but both myself and UnderTow have pointed out that you were lying. Are you actually going to respond? Try to defend yourself? Or are you just going to pretend that didn't happen, and continue your parade.

No you and your buddies have entered in over your heads

You have failed to get your facts straight or make even a pathetic attempt at an argument. You look foolish as you come back for beating after beating.

You have been proven wrong, your attempts to lie turned back on you so where now?

The loss of control that you and your buddies have displayed only emphasizes the weakness of your points. If you read through your posts, you should be rather embarrassed at the utterly juvenile nature of them.

You guys should have some self respect

JB

No his post 392 was in reply to Steve C.

It just reads like it could have been to me, probably further bolstered by the fact i then replied to him as if he had been speaking to me, with my rather amusing dropped on his head when a baby comment.

But hey JB don't worry, I already new you were an idiot.
G

Why thank you Gordon....
hehehehe
And I'm sure he's watching
I'm sure he looks at the blocked posts.
When you block someone you can still see
that they posted and the temptation would
just be too much....especially for someone
of Axes limited intellectual ability.

Eh Axe?

Any minute now somone is going to mention ad hominem attacks bless them

With any luck this will be the last thread where Axe gets his jollies, I think the forum is tiring of it.

G

ORIGINAL: jinga8
but if you read the post on "what's your day job" you'd have seen that I work with adults with developmental disabilities (a term to avoid the MR stigma) and I must say that Axe seems to be someone my company could help lead a full, vibrant, happy life... Give me a call axe, I'm sure I could get you some state and/or federal funding to help you get the support you need...

Lol! The expert has spoken.

If AXE was man enough to address the arguments put forth, it might be interesting but he is way to cowardly for that.

UnderTow

APRIL 13, 2007
APPLE said it would delay shipment of its new operating system
in order to concentrate on the launch of its iPhone.
Apple had planned to launch the next generation of Mac OS,
called "Leopard", in June.
But it said it had to divert resources from the project so that it
could launch its highly anticipated iPhone on time.

The new shipment date for Mac OS X "Leopard" will be in October,
the company said. The iPhone will make its debut in June as planned.

Apple shares dropped nearly 3 per cent after the announcement.

Yeah, I guess he couldn't figure out that including a comment like "I don't have to read a single troll's message", in response to a post that includes one of those very messages, is maybe just a little, uh... slow?

And he's made it clear that anyone who doesn't praise Apple in some form is an upset and fearful troll. As though he actually has the abililty to upset people, or that Apple has every Windows user shaking in their boots. Uh, yeah...right. But maybe that's what voice #92 is telling him, who knows. Time for an iBrain upgrade, dude!

I've spent way too much time on the Axe parade route, time to actually do some work.

entertaining to me and perfectly represent the Windows zealot... it actually entertains me and makes you look like a raving fool.

I guess we have something in common then, because I also find you entertaining, perfectly representing the Mac zealot, and you often appear like a raving fool.

it should be pretty obvious that I feel that Apple is on a roll and they are.

Yup, no doubt. And yes, I think Apple is doing much better now in the PC market than ever. They're just not the best or right platform for everyone. End of story.

The even more sad part is that they are not happy with their own sad state of affairs

Well, I know that I certainly don't fall into that group, real or imaginary. As I've stated many times over I'm perfectly happy running Sonar on Windows. My machine runs well, I haven't had the need to tweak anything since I first got it, and when I boot up it just works. Plain and simple.

It is sad that there are always a few people that want to reject new ideas and new opportunities but they exist.

Nah, I don't think anyone is *really* rejecting any ideas or opportunities. Just your presentation of them.

@#$%... didn't I say I was off the parade? Every time I try to get out, they draaag me back in...