too many bugs still in X2. It can do all kinds of fancy looping, virtual instruments but cannot track a simple 24 track session without multiple cracks pops latency and dropouts

Really? My (soon to be retired) almost 10 year old Athlon 4400 X2 DAW can simultaneously track all 32 light-pipe inputs from my Dakota/Montana cards without any issues at all at 24-bit/44.1 KHz under SONAR 8.5.2. I wonder if it's a driver problem? I had glitches on my DAW until I disabled my LAN interface and then it was smooth sailing. 


I once considered jumping ship, evaluated everything available at the time, and then ultimately decided to stay because I have very limited time for my hobby and I just wanted to spend my time making music not learning a new interface. 


Anyway, wish you good luck! I hope it works out for you ... 

What's with all the John Denver Songs?

I'm leaving - on a jet plane
Goodbye again
Annie's Song

How long before we get to "Country Roads Take Me Home"?

Stop bashing the guy.
If it push someone to leave a platform like SONAR for another DAW it must be something that he or she feels that something important is missing? There are many functions and professional features still missing in SONAR X2 that do exist in Cubase. And important new feature continue to grow.

I'm very open minded and have work with Cubase, Logic, SONAR and Pro Tools for many years so I do understand what professional potential he sees in Cubase 7. just check the mixer function in large projects. Another is that it let me record and do a vocal session with an Artist in a studio in LA working in my studio located in Europe in realtime with no latency. Also new Bulletproof ASIO-Guard + VST3 ability

I strongly consider to join him in Cubase land...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfCWPHBqf_Q

http://www.steinberg.net/en/products/cubase/whats_new.html?et_cid=22&et_lid=67

No Pops and crackles here even on a session with 138 tracks of audio.

I have other driver releasing quibbles but as always I gripe about those on another thread.

Freddie - no disrespect but that screenshot is frickin' hideous. (Eye of the beholder, I guess).

Freddie H


Stop bashing the guy.
If it push someone to leave a platform like SONAR for another DAW it must be something that he or she feels that something important is missing? There are many functions and professional features still missing in SONAR X2 that do exist in Cubase. And important new feature continue to grow.

I'm very open minded and have work with Cubase, Logic, SONAR and Pro Tools for many years so I do understand what professional potential he sees in Cubase 7. just check the mixer function in large projects. Another is that it let me record and do a vocal session with an Artist in a studio in LA working in my studio located in Europe in realtime with no latency. Also new Bulletproof ASIO-Guard + VST3 ability

I strongly consider to join him in Cubase land...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfCWPHBqf_Q

http://www.steinberg.net/en/products/cubase/whats_new.html?et_cid=22&et_lid=67

The new mixers adds some very nice functionalities - though it looks ugly and un-Steinberg-ish. 

Bear in mind though that Cubase had a lot to do to catch up w/ others - certainly not in terms of features but in terms of ergonomics. Someone coming from another platform may not find those new things all that revolutionary. 


I'm curious about the remote recording stuff, though, at the same time, the person you are collaborating w/ needs to own the rest of the recording gear and to be able to operate it - mic, preamp, audio interface and a proper room to record in if it's a live instrument or vocals. Or then to perform in a real studio - where in most case, the studio computers aren't connected to the internet.

 I always  step back and scratch my head whenever anyone says they are having serious issues with X2 emphasis on X2. I must be one of the luckiest son of a guns ever because recording at 24/48 into many tracks on an older quad core machine and zero, thats right, zero problems. 

 If this is a question of comfort with the GUI then this is certainly subjective.Features are also highly subjective. If you don't like it there are more but none are perfect and many are far worse that X2. The bug fixes I see posted are usually very minor.

  I decided years ago to use a PC DAW that stays current and works well. Like someone else said already any problems I have ever had that related to pops or clicks were ALWAYS the result of either my hardware or my interface,never the software. 
 
  I am symathetic of anyone who experiences problems with their DAW. I'm sure it can be frustrating attempting to get it working and sometimes I think users look for a solution, and sometimes that solution is another DAW. I hope it works out for him. I would suggest looking at the interface settings/ latencies/ drivers before jumping ship if you like everything else about X2.

  I'm sure at times there are people over at the Cubase forum also frustrated and thinking about jumping to Sonar X2. I agree that pops and clicks likely will remain on the new DAW...it never ends does it?

. Objective benchmarks do seem to support the claim that Cubase is more efficient than SONAR bitflipper ^

 


Hi Bitflipper !  I work in a studio with a bunch of other composers ,where pretty much all of them are on Cubase 6.5 ... 

Before buying a bunch of HP Z400 6-core Xeon workstations, I got my hands on one, and tested what to expect in terms of power,compared to our previous workstation.  So I installed X1 and Cubase 6.5 on the same machine, and ran a comparable session inside it, using the same audiocard, ASIO driver etc... 

Tests were clearly showing quite clearly that Sonar has LOTS more CPU+RAM headroom than Cubase, it's not even a joke... Both 64 bit versions were installed, along with NI Kontakt, Spectrasonics stuff ... (the typical stuff we use) ...  Sonar CPU action was very low- and stable, even while playing ridiculous amount of polyphony of multiple instances of Omnisphere. the RAM however was being used a lot, but even beyond 4-6gb of RAM being used, I felt it was 2-3 times more that what we usually do in a typical project. it still was stable and responsive, and glitch-free. so I stopped there.  

 Cubase on the other hand, was running much lower on RAM, (loading the exact same sound presets and samples, and Kontakt/Spectasonics being configured the same, loading the same VST plugins). However, it was CPU spiking like crazy, glitching, stuttering, clicking all over the place, eventually, at about 1.5-2gb of RAM, it would often lag and crash for no apparent reason (even running all 64 bit). My Cubase friends were thinking that I would have hacked my test, but didn't....

 I'm not saying this is typical Cubase behavior, but for me (as a former Cubase user), I certainly wouldn't agree that Cubendo is "more efficient", and I'm not even talking about workflow and ergonomics, and mixing/MIDI/editing feature set.  Every tried to listen to a (wet-only) AUX track on Cubase?? :S

Cheers ! 

 V

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Must be a bunch of Southerners on this forum ~

Y'all take forever to say goodbye!!!  

For the first time i have seen the new Cubase channel strip.It 's the worst graphics that i've ever seen.It's strange that no one says anything because Sonar's users are always very critical on this topic. The Sonar GUI in comparison is extraordinary.

GIM Productions


For the first time i have seen the new Cubase channel strip.It 's the worst graphics that i've ever seen.It's strange that no one says anything because Sonar's users are always very critical on this topic. The Sonar GUI in comparison is extraordinary.

You must not have read Brando's or my post in reply. Posts 40 and 41.

Believe it or not - Colors are customizable in Cubase and Nuendo, although not any where near as customizable as they used to be in Sonar. However, I think this will be awesome! I'll give Cubase and Nuendo users until December 7th before the catfighting begins - and it's usually really ugly with those guys! 

Self-imposed, Pre-Sonar forum check list…
- Do I feel like a grumpy old fart this morning… Nope! 
- Have I ingested a full cup of extra strength coffee… Yip! 
Thankyou for complying with checklist requirements... You may proceed with post.

Bub

 I understand that software has it's quirks and little bugs here and there ... but nothing to the extent that X1 and X2 have given us. 

Cakewalk has absolutely ZERO loyalty to anyone here. Same for Cubase, ProTools, and all the others. They are here to make money. Period. They aren't here to help you through your day, or befriend you. The people at Cakewalk are there to pay for their cars, homes, children, etc. If anyone has any notion of anything different and feels all warm and fuzzy inside because they've stayed loyal to Cakewalk and feels the need to come on here and defend them and belittle anyone who takes a stand that says they've had enough ... well ... you're an fool in my opinion.

Bub, don’t you realise how much the truth can really hurt people?

@Anniedog:  I welcome your heuristic approach and request only that you enlighten us with your findings in an altruistic way as time goes by.
 

 
 
 

Hey Beepster- Cubase is 64 bit.

You might be right about Logic Rain but my personal opinion is that it is  probably withering on the vine- like Sony Acid.  I know a few Logic users who are actually quite frustrated with the lack of updates- and yes, some of these guys are professionals.

Wow... it destroyed the formatting even more as soon as I hit post. lol

The chart is in the link. If I did end up investing in Steinberg I'd likely use it mostly more for the actual editing phase. That's the one part of Sonar I find to be really annoying and unstable. Particularly slip editing. Mind you maybe Cubase does the same kind of stuff these days as well (I would prefer an option to be able to manually choose my editing tools as opposed to the silly hotspots at the start/ends of clips... the constant zooming is bothersome).