Wookiee's ears caught when my kick was HPF @80HZ instead of 60HZ.

SteveStrummerUK
 
@ Jaimz
 
You appear to have started War War 3 here me old mucker 
 
 

I wondered who else would remember that one

I certainly didn't mean to insult anybodies abilities.
 
I think there comes a time after one has been recording for awhile
that the song forum has no benefit in helping with the learning process.
One becomes subjected to to many opinions and suggestions and knows that
to reach a "higher" level with the process it's not going to happen there. At least
that's what I experienced and it's not meant to insult anybody.
 
The fun factor of sharing music is there but the learning curve drops off at a point.
I believe what many are experiencing ( resulting in this thread) is that the fun factor
is or has been chipped away for many, for whatever reasons. I'm pretty certain that
James list hit on many of them.
 
 
 

 
Ok, here we go.
 
I don't frequent the Songs forum as much as I used to. Like James, I used to love hanging around in there just listening to as many of the tunes as I could. If I thought I could help someone, I'd chip in with a few helpful comments. In any case, I'd try and say something encouraging and friendly.
 
To me, one of the real joys of the place was getting to listen to all the styles and genres of music I wouldn't normally listen to.
 
As a contributor, it's always been nice to receive the odd plaudit, especially when some of those comments have been made by guys and gals I really respect as performers, songwriters, engineers and producers. I was always amazed by the sheer amount of top-drawer advice always on tap in there, advice that was always given freely and in a friendly manner.
 
There have been a few factors over the past couple of years that have gradually seen me spending less and less time in there.
 
I've certainly had my moments with Robby and Shad at various times (who hasn't?), but those skirmishes were soon put behind us, and I'm on pretty good terms with those guys now.
 
What has really driven me away, and I'll be completely honest here, is the on-going presence of the likes of James (Night Fox) and Bobby (and whatever name he's using this week). In particular (as James Yoyo alluded to above), I just cannot put up with their pathetic and childish attitude. And to be brutally honest, the way some of the guys over there tread on egg-shells around them is quite nauseating.
 
Let me get this straight - this is definitely nothing to do with the fact that their music is, in the main, monotonous, generic half-baked rubbish (and poorly recorded/produced rubbish at that) that irks me so. Far from it - we all had to start somewhere. No, what winds me up something rotten is their piss-poor attitude and spoilt brat toys-out-of-the-pram reaction to any perceived criticism of their tunes.
 
As I mention above, that wonderful advice on offer in the Songs forum has been lavished in spades on guys like Bobby and Night Fox. As far as I can remember, all of that advice was friendly and any criticism always constructive. But no matter how helpful, you can guarantee that those helpful words will get thrown straight back in your face.
 
And again, let's be honest, their continued refusal to take on board any of the help they've been given is why their god-awful music still sounds like they've just started out in the world of digital audio.
 
When I first started posting the odd song in there, like most 'normal' guys who wanted to actually improve, I'd actively seek and welcome any help, advice and criticism. And I'd read those posts over and over, and try out everything I thought could help. I was like a sponge, soaking up as much knowledge and technique as I could. If my songs still suck, it's not for want of trying.
 
And don't get me wrong, I know encouragement is good, and some people just don't want to upset the pair of them, but if you read some of the comments their music attracts, you'd think people were commenting on the feckin' Beatles for fecks sake. I've read these inexplicably sycophantic comments and I'm sat here wondering if I've been listening to the same feckin' song. I'll admit, I've done it myself to a certain extent in an attempt to be friendly and helpful, but I just can't be bothering with that sh1te any more.
 
And that's why I steer clear of the place I guess. Their attitude and the crap that surrounds them just stinks the whole place up in my opinion.
 
Robby's had his moments for sure, but Robby's got one thing that loathsome pair will never have as long as they've got a hole in their arse, and that's passion. Oh, and talent. Give me Robby every time.
 
I still pop in now and again, and always try to catch up on my friends' songs, but I don't feel comfortable just hanging around in there like I used to.
 
Sad really.
 
 
 

webbs hill studio

bapu
{tongueInCheek}
Songs forum: Post links to your latest songs or projects.
Techniques forum: Discussion of recording and other production techniques.
 
Maybe some misunderstand and improperly use the songs forum for which the Techniques forum was designed? 
{/tongueInCheek}
 

I made that point yesterday but it slipped under the radar:
"What is the Techniques forum for if not for discussing recording techniques??
 

Now we'll both slip under the radar.

And Bobs with or without square pants.

I haven't really been tuned in to the inner workings of that forum. Maybe I need to be more perceptive.I take most comments at face value. I would be surprised if everyone liked everyone's music.

Reading between the lines I had already guessed that a few of the better musicians are not into praising something that they think doesn't deserve it,and would you blame them? I have refrained from commenting on some material because it might have punched a hole in someone's hard work and helped to deflate their dream.I don't consider myself in that group though.I'm sure that's why some haven't commented on my material. My attitude is, here it is it's what I've done.If you appreciate it great. if I can improve on it I will. It's where I am now and I'm not ashamed of it.

Another thing that I see with gifted people is that the tolerance for lesser material is thinner. They can see the problem so why can't everyone else? I think they sometimes forget that it isn't that easy for everyone.

I mainly try to encourage people where they are and appreciate what they have done.This isn't to say we don't have some great talent here.I attempt to help if I can. I realize my views are subjective.I hope they understand that.

I see nothing wrong with A short comment.

If two or three people are saying a similar thing then chances are you might need to change that.

I think one of the biggest problems with any critique is the way someone delivers it.Some people can come off as obnoxious and rude.If they are really trying to help they don't always come across that way.No matter if the comments are spot on.

jamesg1213
 
That means I'm one of the last to leave...

Could you turn off the lights on your way out then?  Thanks... 

craigb

jamesg1213
 
That means I'm one of the last to leave...

Could you turn off the lights on your way out then?  Thanks... 

Bit sad that, perhaps the way is to rise above their pettiness, encourage people to contribute but in a polite way rather than the most common reply, which you can probably tell the source, "I am not going to comment until you comment on my crap tune" 
 
Personally I will keep going and listening and commenting when I like what hear or when I think I can be constructive.  I have always found the best artists, in whatever field of artistic creation, were the ones that helped and encouraged others not the ones that raise themselves above or over others.  They are usually the ones that need the most help.
 
Consequently please leave the lights on.

It was nice Kenny.
 
One thing I don't see much of now is collaborating; I remember when collabs were a regular thing, and it was genuinely exciting to hear what a combination of players would come up with. Doesn't seem to be that 'community spirit' anymore where someone would offer up the bare bones of a track and just see what happened.
 
I don't mind admitting to being quite terrified getting involved in collabs with people like yourself, Mark Wessels, Randy Bowser, Ed Edge, Bill Davies etc, but I learned a great deal, because I had to raise my game considerably each time...and that's no slight on anyone else I may or may not be/have been collaborating with at the moment/in the past

So what can we do to revive it and bring it back to life?

I will try to get back to listening and posting as time permits.  I like to help/encourage those that welcome it.  I won't be giving pats on the back for no reason - never did that anyway.  The SF is my main outlet for song sharing and there are certainly some very talented people posting there.  
 
Leave the lights on.

So it (SF) is not really dead but is in ICU?

And don't tell the song forum it's dead, it doesn't even know it's terminal.

It's the stooopid economy?