Jonbouy
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Re:I think I figured out why the songs forum is slowing down.
2011/04/03 12:28:03
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I'm glad it was like it was when I first joined as I got plenty of advice and encouragement when none of this DAW business made any sense. It needed people to comment for it to be the true education it was. If people hadn't done that I'd still be in the dark. And despite me opening my trap and commenting on songs too it stayed really busy. It went quiet after too much politicking and a few people in there with 'sherrif' mentalities drove many people (including myself) away, or rather took the edge off it being enjoyable anymore. To my mind it's never quite recovered from that. I listen fairly regularly and go through phases of commenting and there's normally some surprisingly good stuff in there. I like what I like so I don't feel like walking on eggshells, I just share my impressions, I don't suppose many would take me too seriously.
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Re:I think I figured out why the songs forum is slowing down.
2011/04/03 12:35:00
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On the internet, you never know the expertise level of the reviewer, this makes it difficult to interpret the feedback. That's why I don't post music.
I do however, offer mixing advice to others around EQ, Compression and sonics but try to steer clear of musical opinion.
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Re:I think I figured out why the songs forum is slowing down.
2011/04/03 12:37:00
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mike_mccue
So, I say to the artist:
"I like the mix and the sense of spaciousness that you left between the sound with the arrangement.
The arrangement seems to play a solid role in the overall EQ balance.
Well done."
The reply is:
"I almost always leave plenty of space because I can't think of anything else to put there :)
Thanks for the listen though"
And I'm left thinking... wow, what did I say wrong this time? I liked everything about the song... I thought I said so... heck you should see some of my critiques when I do have a suggestion that I might try if it was a project I was working on.
Anyways... it seems like being nice on the song forums isn't all that satisfying, and I really don't enjoy writing the critiques either. I really don't like telling other folks what I think could be better about their music... it's like walking on egg shells.
Anyways, I'm left a little confused and I do know I shouldn't even write this post... but hey, I've never been shy about trying to get other people to have a discussion... so please discuss.
Oh yeah for what it's worth... when I said I liked the sense of spaciousness and the resulting EQ balance I meant it as a great compliment and acknowledgment that the artist had exercised, IMO, great taste and restraint and arrived at a sweet spot that was easy to appreciate.
all the best,
mike
Mike you didn't say anything wrong, and I wasn't offended at all. I very much appreciated both the listen and the comments. I apologize if that didn't come through clearly. I was hoping the smiley face got the good naturedness of the comment across. I do tend to be a bit self deprecating when talking about my own work. Probably between a combination of always being a little insecure when you ask others to hear your work (especailly other people that have been doing this longer, and are probably much more succussful then I) and because I try not to appear to be to to full of myself either (IE come off sounding arrogant). Anyway, I really do appreciate the comments. No disrespect was intended, just some good natured humor at my own expense 
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Re:I think I figured out why the songs forum is slowing down.
2011/04/03 13:04:51
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Mike, keep commenting...and posting your music, for sure. I know JY also commented on the fact that traffic seems down in the songs forum. That could be because so much is happening here.  (or that some of us, unfortunately, have other things we have to do.  ) And actually it's easy and faster to hang out here. But I, for one, could never, ever hope to improve without comments...good, bad and indifferent...on the songs forum. Even a smiley, or a 'good job' is encouraging. The more detailed, the better, of course, but everyone knows I don't know how to give that type of feedback (unless it has something to do with the piano or something else simple), so of course I don't expect that from everyone. I also am quite aware of how long it takes to listen to songs there. I do it because I want to keep up the community feel of the place, in spite of those few who make it hard to do. And to whoever mentioned that it's hard to know how to take a critique, since you don't know their level of expertise...well, it doesn't take long to figure out who knows what. :) So, Bit...post away....even if it's just a smiley. Jon B.--of course we take you seriously and sincerely appreciate everything you have to say. Mike Mc....I see where you're coming from with that 'though', but I also took it in the manner I figured he meant it.
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Re:I think I figured out why the songs forum is slowing down.
2011/04/03 13:13:12
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jamesg1213
"I almost always leave plenty of space because I can't think of anything else to put there :)
That reads like a little polite modesty to me.
Yeah, I'll second James' take on that as well as his subsequent post (#4). It sounded like a bit of self depricating humor to me (thus the little smiley), and I think, Mike, you may be just overthinking the the use of the word 'though.' There's a pretty broad spectrum of manners as well as communication skills in evidence on all of the forums. I tend to give folks the benefit of the doubt with respect to comments... or I'll call Bapu for a translation .
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Re:I think I figured out why the songs forum is slowing down.
2011/04/03 13:19:12
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Middleman
I do however, offer mixing advice to others around EQ, Compression and sonics but try to steer clear of musical opinion.
What's the difference? Many of those things, unless they are plain wrong (i.e. clipping, essing etc) are artistic decisions too. Would George Martin have said Phil Spector was 'wrong' with his sonic choices? There's a thread with one of James Yoyo's songs just now and he has developed a killer drum sound for it by layering different kick and snare sounds. Danny pops in and gives props to the sound he's got but mentions as food for thought using a Carter Beauford type sound instead. It propogates different ways of thinking and is no way offensive to the intent the original poster had. That's the way to do it. Conversely our Bub's got a peachy little Rocker up there but because he's called it a 'Rap' probably because of the narrative vocal delivery he's used people are saying they don't know how to critique it? Go figure.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2011/04/03 13:26:27
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Re:I think I figured out why the songs forum is slowing down.
2011/04/03 13:48:30
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@ Alegria,
Yes, and Yes.
@ Jamesg1213
I puzzle me too!
@ Kroneborg
I thought you did a great job on that tune!!!!!!! :-) :-)
all the best,
mike
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Re:I think I figured out why the songs forum is slowing down.
2011/04/03 13:56:15
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Jonbouy
Would George Martin have said Phil Spector was 'wrong' with his sonic choices?
Good thing he didn't as we'd probably not have the Beatles we know (as Sir George would have been shot by PS).  On a more serious note, I too wish I could spend more time in the songs forum listening and commenting (even if it is Wookiees indicator). Life get really busy sometimes. And I have a bass track to do right now......
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Re:I think I figured out why the songs forum is slowing down.
2011/04/03 14:03:16
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"Would George Martin have said Phil Spector was 'wrong' with his sonic choices?"
I can see a circa 1962 Mr. Spector contemplating the idea that George Martin was an futzy old fart whose "credits" were on comedy and novelty records and who had never worked in the center of the universe: Los Angeles.
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Re:I think I figured out why the songs forum is slowing down.
2011/04/03 14:06:54
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Jonbouy
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Re:I think I figured out why the songs forum is slowing down.
2011/04/03 14:16:52
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mike_mccue
"Would George Martin have said Phil Spector was 'wrong' with his sonic choices?"
I can see a circa 1962 Mr. Spector contemplating the idea that George Martin was an futzy old fart whose "credits" were on comedy and novelty records and who had never worked in the center of the universe: Los Angeles.
;-)
Pedant! I'd probably have had a few choice words with either of them, but I don't think they'd have listened.
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Re:I think I figured out why the songs forum is slowing down.
2011/04/03 14:24:56
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bitflipper
Although I listen to many submissions, I rarely post in the Songs forum. If a song is really good, does the poster really benefit from me saying "it's really good"? And if it's mediocre, I am uncomfortable saying so.
You don't seem to have trouble with that anywhere else on the forums... I personally feel you'd be a great regular contributor on the Songs forum.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2011/04/03 14:28:17
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Re:I think I figured out why the songs forum is slowing down.
2011/04/03 14:24:57
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[begin Off Topic]
:-)
I firmly believe that expertise can be found all over the planet operating in all types of genres.
Experience creates expertise.
Some people never get enough experience to recognize expertise in others.
I feel lucky that I have learned to recognize other people's ability... that sort of acceptance is vital to the free lance work I do where we are often assigned to teams that are made up of strangers sourced from many locations.
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Re:I think I figured out why the songs forum is slowing down.
2011/04/03 14:29:52
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Re:I think I figured out why the songs forum is slowing down.
2011/04/03 14:32:08
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I'm one of those folks who don't comment much in the Songs forum. I do drop in sometimes and check out a few songs. If I like it, I may say so, but I can't say much about the technical aspects of the mix since I don't know enough about that. As for people who listen to my infrequent song postings, I really appreciate them listening, especially if they've already heard me sing. To me, it's the song that's most important, how it flows, surprises. How it moves me.
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Re:I think I figured out why the songs forum is slowing down.
2011/04/03 14:36:59
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Jonbouy
I have golden ears.
Yeah you do!
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Re:I think I figured out why the songs forum is slowing down.
2011/04/03 14:38:35
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mike_mccue
Jonbouy
I have golden ears.
Yeah you do!
Bought with Bapu's transaction fees, taxes, surcharges, conversion rates and all around fleecing no doubt.
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Re:I think I figured out why the songs forum is slowing down.
2011/04/03 14:39:36
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Jonbouy
I have golden ears.
On your Golden Retriever?
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Re:I think I figured out why the songs forum is slowing down.
2011/04/03 14:45:36
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I have a silk tongue and laser vision too. 
post edited by Jonbouy - 2011/04/03 14:47:15
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Re:I think I figured out why the songs forum is slowing down.
2011/04/03 15:06:07
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"mike_mccue"
@ Alegria,
Yes, and Yes. I am not surprised by your reply.
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Re:I think I figured out why the songs forum is slowing down.
2011/04/03 15:20:19
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☄ Helpful
I don't post in the song forum anymore because I can't take the criticism .
What I would like to do post a song and say - I worked my ass off on this - i am happy with it - I hope you listen to it and like it as well
but it never goes like that -
so I don't even bother anymore -
besides that I am picky about vocals
and I don't mean to dis anyone
but most of the songs on the song forum are of folks who cant sing
hey -- I get the frustration of playing an instrument and not being able to sing because I cant sing
either .... so usually I have friends sing on my originals who CAN sing
I know I cant possible be the only genius to write a song and think " I cant handle the vox on this " But I know this guy "joe" can --
and then you have joe sing it
anyway
its tough in there -
and I cant take the critics- my ego is too big
so ....
I don't do it
well - thats my honesty
like it or not
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Re:I think I figured out why the songs forum is slowing down.
2011/04/03 15:37:11
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Mooch4056
besides that I am picky about vocals
and I don't mean to dis anyone
but most of the songs on the song forum are of folks who cant sing
You haven't been listening.
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Re:I think I figured out why the songs forum is slowing down.
2011/04/03 15:38:19
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Well, then I guess I won't sing on that song of mine I was considering trying... Oh well. :) But seriously, Mooch, it's been discussed (quite awhile ago) about simply saying what kind of listeners/crits you're looking for. If you seriously don't want any crits, it SHOULD be good enough to just say so. Just admit that your ego can't take it and you'd just like to present this song to show how hard you've been working the last few weeks. A few may not go along with that, but the message may get thru eventually. On the other hand, if no one responds to this or my other post, I may just have to leave this forum too. Sheesh!! 
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Re:I think I figured out why the songs forum is slowing down.
2011/04/03 16:17:12
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Mooch4056
I don't post in the song forum anymore because I can't take the criticism .
What I would like to do post a song and say - I worked my ass off on this - i am happy with it - I hope you listen to it and like it as well
but it never goes like that -
so I don't even bother anymore -
besides that I am picky about vocals
and I don't mean to dis anyone
but most of the songs on the song forum are of folks who cant sing
hey -- I get the frustration of playing an instrument and not being able to sing because I cant sing
either .... so usually I have friends sing on my originals who CAN sing
I know I cant possible be the only genius to write a song and think " I cant handle the vox on this " But I know this guy "joe" can --
and then you have joe sing it
anyway
its tough in there -
and I cant take the critics- my ego is too big
so ....
I don't do it
well - thats my honesty
like it or not
Overall, I like the vibe on this post. A great start, which segues nicely into the main part of the post. You sure put a lot of feeling into the ending, and it fits the post perfectly. My only criticism would be the punctuation/capitalisation - but maybe you could fix that in the second mix draft I still gave it 5 stars though 
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Re:I think I figured out why the songs forum is slowing down.
2011/04/03 16:25:05
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SO I guess a comment like "that sucks" is not very helpful? 
Green Acres is the place to be I dont twitter, facebook, snapchat, instagram,linkedin,tumble,pinterest,flick, blah blah,lets have an old fashioned conversation!
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Re:I think I figured out why the songs forum is slowing down.
2011/04/03 16:33:00
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Mooch4056
I don't post in the song forum anymore because I can't take the criticism .
What I would like to do post a song and say - I worked my ass off on this - i am happy with it - I hope you listen to it and like it as well
but it never goes like that -
so I don't even bother anymore -
besides that I am picky about vocals
and I don't mean to dis anyone
but most of the songs on the song forum are of folks who cant sing
hey -- I get the frustration of playing an instrument and not being able to sing because I cant sing
either .... so usually I have friends sing on my originals who CAN sing
I know I cant possible be the only genius to write a song and think " I cant handle the vox on this " But I know this guy "joe" can --
and then you have joe sing it
anyway
its tough in there -
and I cant take the critics- my ego is too big
so ....
I don't do it
well - thats my honesty
like it or not
I think that's perfectly reasonable. It kind of depends on whether you are trying to be a commerical success, or just have fun making music (both are ok). If you want to be able to make money or a living doing music. Then you need to be open to critiism. If you just want to make music and share, then let us know that and we can just listen and enjoy. As for the signing, I've always felt it was a friends job to tell you that you can't sing (at least all my friends, family, coworkers and everyone I've known have told me that). So yes sometimes it's better to just get someone else to do it. That being said, "most" of the songs I've heard the singing has been decent. And some has been really great.
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Janet
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Re:I think I figured out why the songs forum is slowing down.
2011/04/03 16:33:12
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I think the worst one I ever got was from Pistol Pete saying something like 'this is pretty boring.' And actually, he was right! :)
Probably the reason many others don't comment is because they want to refrain from saying something similar.
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Re:I think I figured out why the songs forum is slowing down.
2011/04/03 16:33:46
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musicman100
SO I guess a comment like "that sucks" is not very helpful?
Unless somebody wants you to critique their new vacuum. (note vacuum has 2 u's)
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Re:I think I figured out why the songs forum is slowing down.
2011/04/03 16:37:15
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Jonbouy
(note vacuum has 2 u's)
So does 'a poor farmer'
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