bapu

rhynosynth

 You seem like an interesting and jolly fun gal.
 

I think of KatieDid^Deux as a half-pint my own self.

Beagle

bapu

Beagle


Katie - I still think that you would be a valuable asset to the songs forum.  regardless of "professional affiliation" or not.

But Katie is not a plumber, even though the songs forum needs it pipes cleaned occasionally.
(or does it?) 

completely agree.  and sometimes it really needs to be "flushed" of some members and their policing attitudes.
 
Really? Like who Beagle? Gonna go virtually strong arm someone? You never overreact?  I don't know who's "policing" or what they're "policing" but it doesn't sound like something they should be driven away for. You're an awesome guy in a lot of respects Beagle but that's wierd comment coming from you.
 
 

Jonbouy

rhynosynth

Beagle

bapu

Beagle


Katie - I still think that you would be a valuable asset to the songs forum.  regardless of "professional affiliation" or not.

But Katie is not a plumber, even though the songs forum needs it pipes cleaned occasionally.
(or does it?) 

completely agree.  and sometimes it really needs to be "flushed" of some members and their policing attitudes.
 
Really? Like who Beagle? Gonna go virtually strong arm someone? You never overreact?  I don't know who's "policing" or what they're "policing" but it doesn't sound like something they should be driven away for. You're an awesome guy in a lot of respects Beagle but that's wierd comment coming from you.
 

Rhyno

I respect where you are coming from and while not speaking for Beagle I imagine he doesn't want to name names, but it did get ugly in there awhile back and certain members actually got banned by our hosts for being complete PITA's.  Some of that behaviour still persists or lurks in the shadows as particular members took no heed of the fact they were actually banned and logged back in with different accounts with no remorse or amends to the behaviour that got them banned, just the good will of the participants in there that tolerated it.  Some of us that witnessed all that garbage are still twitchy about it rearing it's ugly head again, myself included.

The policing he is referring to is things like PM's from people threatening to boycott your stuff if you don't review theirs and such like and similar anti-social behaviour.  If you think Beagle is virtually strong arming someone you should have seen the poison that came from certain individuals mostly via PM or email.

It really believe it ain't worth stirring up the mud too much on this one, as it's all looking pretty healthy over there just now.  Just enjoy what's happening there now because it's much more positive just now. More likely Beagle ain't policing it's just the not wanting a repeat of what's happened before. 

Folk will choose to do what they will choose to do.  And if that kind of garbage happens there again I certainly don't want any part of it.

That's all I'm gonna say on the subject.

Thanks for the clarification Jon.  You're a very cool guy. Though I don't post much I usually fire up this site when I play at home or record which is just about every night. I am aware of the history. I know specifically what you're talking about. I respect that what happened in the past may still bug some people. I enjoy the forum regardless of the stupidity that may occur and have at liesure for a while. I don't like to see that either but it doesn't really bug me as much as some. I'm not trying to stir anything up. The comment itself stirs things up. "Like who" means pm them address it, deal with it but don't post that. Imagine what newbie or potential member might think. As well as it not being addressed.  A lot of people read these threads out here in the CH. Mostly for the humour and actual music, gear stuff. They don't need to see that and Beagle's much smarter than that.

Beagle


rhynosynth,
I don't plan to name any names publicly.  that would be wrong, IMO at this time.  I think that would be "stirring things up," precisely.  I made the comment because it continues to happen from time to time even after that big blow up that JB discussed.  sometimes there are one or two people who still jump onto others for what is perceived as a lack of reciprocal participation - in other words, "their version of the songs forum rules are not being followed." 
 
Look at that statement from the perspective of someone new who joins and doesn't know the history behind it. I remember seeing this myself and didn't realize who you were referring to at first. I just saw a post in the middle of joking around slipped in that implies that one member would like flush out others for policing which I thought might be related to things such as mentioning to people that a little give and take works well out here. Possibly the watch your language warning. Anything of that sort which is most of the time meant in good nature. Quite different from being insulting etc.. Actually quite the opposite. Regardless you did say you like to rid the forum of members. That's a blanket statement that could apply to a lot of members here.  You certainly have the right to say what you want. I certainly have the right to say maybe say it to the person/s you'd like to ridx rather than than pop a statment like that out here which is what I meant by "Like who?" That was my way of saying "blanket statement here." It's my opinion that addressing them directly...or not... is better than throwing a line like that out. You usually do.
 
I do not condone that behavior, nor do I condone other behavior which one in particular exhibits but I do not wish to even go into.

I know what your saying here. That's your choice to police that if you wish. Wouldn't want you to go into it.

I'm actually surprised at your response.  This is not a perfect place and there are different personalities in the forum.  any time that someone behaves in a way that I think is inappropriate then I will speak up.  I have that right as do you.
Well look at that statement from the perspectivesomeone who doesn't
my post was in no way meant to "stir things up."  it was simply a statement of fact of the way that the songs forum has been in the past and continues to carry that feeling even today.  there are some good people who will not go back into the songs forum again as long as one person in particular is still posting there.  that is a big shame because we are missing out on their music and on their comments on other people's music.  so his continued existence in the songs forum prevent all of us from enjoying it, whether everyone realizes it or not.
 
Again that's great but I don't regard this here as speaking up. You're being much more detailed now that it's been called out. Yet this person or persons I'm sure come out here as well to read threads and would see this anyway. Wanting to rid a forum of people and saying so is stirring things up. People don't want to go back because someone else is there.. well that's up to them whether they think it's so bad that they need to leave.

yes, the past has tainted me in that regard.  and I will always carry that with me because the issue still has never been resolved as long as that behavior still continues.
 
I may be a little desensitized or something but I haven't seen anything really bad recently and when you say carry that with you I'm thinking that's a bit extreme but if the past haunts you I hope you can find a way to get past it.  People are screwy. People fight sometimes. Nasty words get exchanged. You'll be carrying a lot with you IMO if you get that close to this kinda stuff. I always see the glass full Beagle and see the positives in people regardless of the past.
 
i'm sorry if you disagree with me, but if I understand your meaning behind your very last statement you made in this thread, then I am offended by your words.  however, you are entitled to your opinion.
 
 It means I think you're frustrated and maybe a well meaning guy said something on a thread that can easily be misconstrued and have a negative effect. 
 
 

Beagle


you know rhyno, I'm over it.  I'm tired of defending my words when I have no reason to have to defend them to you.  You think I should be "smarter than that."  well, I hope this post leaves me at the standard you have set for me.

I think I am the one who needs a break from the forum because I can't seem to say anything right lately for other people's expectations.

have a good day.

Katie_Katie


If you go away.....your friends will be very sad. 
  
 

UbiquitousBubba


Sometimes, those of us without the necessary language, tools, or expertise to provide a meaningful critique of a work of art can provide only our impressions.  (It's good...It's bad...I liked it...It made me hungry...)  Those impressions can be valuable to the artist since that may be an indication of how their work will be perceived by their audience. 

On the other hand, a professional, specific, constructive critique provides detailed suggestions for improvement essential to helping an artist polish their work and hone their own skills.  In my opinion, both of these types of reviews are helpful for different purposes.

While many of us identify very personally with our musical creations, I believe there's a significant percentage of those who post songs who do want honest impressions and opinions about their work, even if some of it may be difficult to hear.

The time I stop posting is when no one offers criticism. Accolades are terrific and appreciated, but they don't challenge you and make you improve.

Bub

Beagle

you know rhyno, I'm over it.  I'm tired of defending my words when I have no reason to have to defend them to you.  You think I should be "smarter than that."  well, I hope this post leaves me at the standard you have set for me.

I think I am the one who needs a break from the forum because I can't seem to say anything right lately for other people's expectations.

have a good day.

EDIT:  one last thing, rhyno, where were you and your standards when a lot of people in the coffee house were jumping on the "bash 10Ten" thread?  or am I the only one you have a "standards" problem with?

Hi Reece,

I've been reading these posts here the last few days but not saying anything. My internet service is toast again for the moment and it takes a good minute for each page to load. It's maddening. Seems to be better today so I wanted to chime in on this.

I don't know how to put this politically correct, so I'm just going to blurt it out ...

You are judgmental. You're not as nice as you think you are. This forum doesn't need you to survive. It will go on long after you're gone.

And guess what  ... that applies to everybody here ... Danny, Bapu, Cj, me, you, Brandon, Seth, Jonbouy ... (Those names were randomly picked off the top of my head and have no special or hidden meaning.)

What happens is, people get too emotionally attached and start thinking they have a right to say who belongs in a public place or not and I think you're kind of in that place right now. What I find strange is you actually defend some by not saying anything at all when you know you should, and then put others in their place for no reason. You've put me in my place a few times about things you weren't even involved in and it bothers me because we've never had any words between us that I can recall. It comes off like you are trying to gang up on someone with your pals to get rid of them when you treat folks like that.

Yeah, you're golden hearted like Katie said, but it seems you pick and choose. It's ok, you're human, just like the rest of us, but remember we all have feelings even thought it's just words on a screen.

Anyway, I said what I wanted. I harbor no ill feelings toward anyone here. I better send this before my ISP kicks me again and I lose what I've typed. It's 65 degree's out and not so windy today so I'm gonna get going. I got a 600 foot long hedgerow of ice damaged Lilac shrubs I have to go prune. Gonna be sore tonight.

Bub.