Bub:

You and 10Ten think alike. It's no wonder you two can get along with each other.

By the way, should I report you for calling yourself a ****ing **** in post #76, or are you gonna do that?

Look man, I was fed up with your crying, so I implied that you're acting like a ****ed individual. Why not just use tact in your communication? I, actually, think you're intellegent.

There's a time and season for everything done under the sun. Do you all who are crying all the time think you can speak harshly about what you feel about something, but others can't? You said you can take it, and dish it out, So, why are you crying, now?

Bub
10Ten has said plenty of things that rubbed me the wrong way, but that doesn't justify calling the man a ****.

But it would be kind of funny if he turned out to actually have a mental disability. 

I have to admit the **** thing was really low and a vicious attack against someone who has legitimate concerns with his purchase.

There was a video game called Ultima Online and it had so many bugs that there was a class action lawsuit. I would say this product is in the same category.

I think Cakewalk needs to get a new, large American development team of experienced, full time, salaried, Cakewalk employees on this ASAP to protect their reputation and re-code the things that obviously need to be recoded. If setting aren't 'sticking' and sound is dropping out in the middle of looping, there is a very serious, fundamental logic error with the coding. This is why I do not believe it was developed in the US. American coders would never allow these things to happen and would never sweep these sorts of problems under the rug.

The executives are basically told that things are fixed when they are not. They were likely told it was ready for release when it was not. Issues that the developers were well aware of, got kept in secret from the head office. I go through these games daily from outsourced teams I'm forced to work with. I know the game so well.

But God when you are selling a customer boxed product that is software and a business tool.. to outsource this sort of product is insanity. Sure you can outsource manufacturing of goods etc. But never, EVER outsource 'mind skills' like software dev to the third world because it simply ends up in disaster. You have people in the third world (many times students working for free) who have no idea what the software they are working on even does or what it is for. They don't know who the software is for, who it's made by, what the stakes are, where it will be sold. It's what I call 'call center style development' where they are forced to close as many tickets as possible and you are seeing the end product of that.

These outsourced teams have cost us so much money at work in their mistakes and CONSTANT sweeping stuff under the rug it's almost laughable. The excuses are unbelievable. Every day it's something new. You just through your arms up and say to each other 'this wasn't my idea'.

...wicked

Bub
10Ten has said plenty of things that rubbed me the wrong way, but that doesn't justify calling the man a ****.

But it would be kind of funny if he turned out to actually have a mental disability. 

No, actually it wouldn't. Mental Illness is not a sign of being unable to communicate. Furthermore, people who are "mentally stable" F... up all the time.

Bub:

Young man, that's all in your mind. I didn't call you a ****, you did. If you can't understand that, it's beyond you.

I'm not opoligizing because I said you come in here like a ****ard individual still crying about the bugs. It hit me like this: you come in a thread saying something to the effect that X1 has bugs, then another thread where you agree with someone else that X1 has bugs, then even another thread, doh X1 has bugs, then even again agreeing with someone, "uh which way did he go bob, yeah X1 has bugs, and again, yeha I experienced that bug, too, doh X1 has bugs. Like a ****ed individual.

Man, we all know this! And you still refuse to give it a break! Yes, I profess to be a Christian. I don't know where you got your idea of being a Christian, but in my mind a Christian should show compassion. Yet, you have no compassion for Cakewalk. It's evident in your recent statement "...Cakewalk deserves to go out of business if this is what they are going to feed their customers."

You talk like Cakewalk deliberately sold end users buggy software. I just think that's way far fetched. As evident in you reporting that I said you come here like a ****ed individual repeatedly yelling that SONAR has bugs, you feel offended that I made a harsh statement directed toward you. Well, Cakewalk are people, too. How do you think they feel with all the harsh comments made about X1, such as, "X1 sucks," after all the time they put into the development of the product. In the SONAR X1 Mind Map, Noel said of Cakewalk that "...we extended the product cycle by 3 whole months" to present to us X1. So, how do you think they feel after they put in so much effort, yet seemed to have failed, up to this point,  to please a number of end users? Seems like a lot of you don't care how they feel. That's selfish in my book. Sure the product should have met it's claims as advertised, but software has issues. Software is not like a human who can put forth effort to direct his/her actions and outcomes.

Anyway, enough of this. You don't seem to get it. It's like I'm talking to a brick wall. I just wanted to attempt to show you how thay must feel, and I figured if you really like Cakewalk for bringing us SONAR, you could show some appreciation by letting them attempt to fix the issues with updates, before condemning. They have done a good job in the past, why not give them a chance to do it, with X1?

Think of me however you will. It's God we have to ultimately account for our actions to.

Crush,

It sounds like I'm from the same "Day Job" as you, and yes outsourcing has hurt a lot of good code jockeys. I never worked for MS but I provide support for their products, and not a single release or upgrade from any developer (in my experience) hits the market with zero problems. Too many parameters and variations in hardware systems for that to be reasonable.

What counts is how the developer responds. So here's your chance, after all if your not part of the solution you're part of the problem.

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thomasabarnes


Bub:

Young man, that's all in your mind. I didn't call you a ****, you did.

Let's take a poll: Who here thought Mr. Barnes called me a **** in his original post, and again in this post. See underlined sentence below.

I'm not opoligizing because I said you come in here like a ****ard individual still crying about the bugs. It hit me like this: you come in a thread saying something to the effect that X1 has bugs, then another thread where you agree with someone else that X1 has bugs, then even another thread, doh X1 has bugs, then even again agreeing with someone, "uh which way did he go bob, yeah X1 has bugs, and again, yeha I experienced that bug, too, doh X1 has bugs. Like a ****ed individual.

Yes, I profess to be a Christian. I don't know where you got your idea of being a Christian, but in my mind a Christian should show compassion. Yet, you have no compassion for Cakewalk. It's evident in your recent statement "...Cakewalk deserves to go out of business if this is what they are going to feed their customers."

There is nothing Christ like about you that I've seen so far. Actually, just the opposite.

You talk like Cakewalk deliberately sold end users buggy software.

They did. They admitted that when they announced a patch the day X1 was released.

Well, Cakewalk are people, too. How do you think they feel with all the harsh comments made about X1, such as, "X1 sucks," after all the time they put into the development of the product.

I imagine they feel pretty bad. I'm glad I never said X1 sucks. I think X1 is great. I've said it many times. On the other hand, Cakewalk is in business for money. So far they have sold me 3 products that don't do what they were advertised to do, and have not completely fixed any of them. In any other situation the purchasing party would have got their money returned to them. I think I've been more than patient with Cakewalk.

Think of me however you will. It's God we have to ultimately account for our actions to.

I think of you as some guy on the internet who lost his cool, called an innocent person a ****, and now your trying to save face and you are failing on a grand scale. And still, no apology. What arrogance! There is nothing Christian like or God like about you.

I tell you what, to show there's no hard feelings, and to let you save face, I forgive you. And, when the admin read this, please disregard my request to ban him.

That's what Christ would do Tom, not defend a corporation.

another block

OK I'm stiil the same person.

I'll just try to be gentle with my reactions. I joke sometimes, but I'm a sincere person.

I guess I need to work on being meek.

Hopefully, Im done here in this thread. audios amigoes.

No kidding

I started a thread a while ago congratulating the moderators on their tolerance toward all the agro on the forium. As I said then I appreciate it as I'm sure the bakers know that we've got some gripes and as long as we keep things pretty civil they're going to give us the space tp vent. from memory Brandon acknowledged that. i'm sure than when the Bakers ahve had enough of our whining and complaining they'll be the ones to tell us it's their forum after all not ours. Again thanks guys for letting us get things off our chest. We're still here and waiting for next great update. I'll happily admit that I too have been among those complaining repeatedly particularly about my poor experience with X1a thus far.

SO. If we want to whinge we can, if we want to praise Cakewallk to the hilt we can do that too. But for goodness sake will people stop telling other people how they should feel and what they should think and say.

I'm more fed up with the recent sanctimonious claptrap wrapped up in the psuedo christian quoting of verse as if that's what really identifies one (see john 13:35). Not much evidence of that in any of those exchanges. Besides discussions of a religious or political nature are not for this forum.

Supercomposer


Sorry but pretty much everyone knows Fruity Loops is great for producing electronic music, why do you need Sonar if this is your specific genre? Check out this video for example, it´s obvious

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH3YbnPXohE&annotation_id=annotation_995082&feature=iv

That is a fantastic video... it was actually *produced* and it is illustrative of how a company can use a high quality presentation to associate itself with a high quality corporate image.

It is almost as nicely done as the Tim Exile stuff released by Native Instruments.

mike_mccue

Supercomposer


Sorry but pretty much everyone knows Fruity Loops is great for producing electronic music, why do you need Sonar if this is your specific genre? Check out this video for example, it´s obvious

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH3YbnPXohE&annotation_id=annotation_995082&feature=iv

That is a fantastic video... it was actually *produced* and it is illustrative of how a company can use a high quality presentation to associate itself with a high quality corporate image.

It is almost as nicely done as the Tim Exile stuff released by Native Instruments.

Wow that is quite impressive.
The sad thing is by now, I do not even remember what attracted me when I first tried Sonar 7 a few years back. I guess it was the early x64 version, transparent VST plugins windows and being able to show/hide tracks. But by now I do not know for which genre I would even recommend it to myself.
 
Classical/Orchestral ? great Midi + notation? get Cubase or Logic
Electronic/Loop based stuff? ->get Fruity Loops or Ableton Live
Needing video support, Post Pro, Recording -> get Nuendo, Pro Tools
Being on a budget? ->get Reaper or Studio One
 
so where is the strength of Sonar? What is it best it compared to the competition?

kubalibre

mike_mccue

Supercomposer


Sorry but pretty much everyone knows Fruity Loops is great for producing electronic music, why do you need Sonar if this is your specific genre? Check out this video for example, it´s obvious

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH3YbnPXohE&annotation_id=annotation_995082&feature=iv

That is a fantastic video... it was actually *produced* and it is illustrative of how a company can use a high quality presentation to associate itself with a high quality corporate image.

It is almost as nicely done as the Tim Exile stuff released by Native Instruments.

Wow that is quite impressive.
The sad thing is by now, I do not even remember what attracted me when I first tried Sonar 7 a few years back. I guess it was the early x64 version, transparent VST plugins windows and being able to show/hide tracks. But by now I do not know for which genre I would even recommend it to myself.
 
Classical/Orchestral ? great Midi + notation? get Cubase or Logic
Electronic/Loop based stuff? ->get Fruity Loops or Ableton Live
Needing video support, Post Pro, Recording -> get Nuendo, Pro Tools
Being on a budget? ->get Reaper or Studio One
 
so where is the strength of Sonar? What is it best it compared to the competition?

Possibly 'Jack of all trades, master of... '

Supercomposer


Sorry but pretty much everyone knows Fruity Loops is great for producing electronic music, why do you need Sonar if this is your specific genre? Check out this video for example, it´s obvious

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH3YbnPXohE&annotation_id=annotation_995082&feature=iv

It's in arrangement and vocal recording where it falls short trust me. I promise it doesn't have a working 'undo' button.. it works but it will not undo many important things. It will burn you if you are not careful.

There is no auto tool. You always have to manually switch tools when editing. There's no auto color for the tracks.. you have to specify it. It will not scan for vst's at startup, you have to manually add them. You can't control the volume of the metronome. Lots of manual work. Old interface that has been 'patched up' over the years. Also you are forced to use ASIO which in my opinion does not handle going 'back and forth' to the Windows desktop as good as Sonar.

But you can build the track very easy,

Actually that's how I would like to consider FL. You can BUILD very, very quick and easy. But it's the editing, effects, and arranging that are just awful. The menu systems are awful. Anyone who uses FL gets frustrated eventually and tries another software usually not to be able to make sense of it (until they see a video like mine).

Before trying Sonar I would have given FL a 4/10. But now after trying Sonar, and now after hearing what I'm hearing about Logic (and all the manual tool changes etc) maybe all the DAW's just suck so it means that FL would get bumped to a 7/10. If I had to chose FL or Sonar for life.. I'd probably chose Sonar (assuming no bugs) and learn to fit it best to my needs. That's how bad the FL editing/arrangement work flow is.

I'm looking for that Sony Vegas style 10/10 industry standard quality DAW that doesn't get in the way of my creating and editing.