Made Sonar X1 video on Youtube

Crush,

I watched the video and really...not...sure...how...to...respond to this thread. Is it a trap? Are you just trolling? You seem to be baiting the reader with legitimate questions but really end up laughing your way through your inability to use Sonar but blaming the program?

I remember a thread you started but you seem to have ignored all the advice within it and ventured into Sonar knowing absolutely nothing about the program and using a technique that was agreed upon within that thread as the wrong way to go about what you attempted. And knowing nothing about and misusing all the tools at your disposal. So you must have an agenda? Which is? Maybe you should state it clearly in your post? Really confused.

And the people who tried to help you? Again really confused but will think twice about helping you again unless I'm missing something.

I think the saying, "if you don't know what you're talking about don't talk" is rather apt here..

I have no interest in that genre of music but that is definitely not the way I would go about it if I were. There are several users on here who'll help you out if you ask.....

First thing I'd look up if I were you is "Step Sequencer". Seems strange to me that you start out in FL using what looks like a step sequencer and then try and achieve something similar in Sonar without it.

I'm sure others will have their view...

You have an interesting positive attitude to using Sonar here even though you seem to struggle with it at times. But, I'm sorry to say it, it looks like you should spend some more time with it before you start posting educational videos. There are so many easier ways to do what you did here, even from a FL studio point of view. Check out the other videos from Cakewalk, the Groove3 videos and read the forums and you should be up and running like a pro in no time;)

Kudos for your voice over voice, tho. It's pretty good;)

There are so many easier ways to do what you did here

Like what?

I dragged in that loop just to demonstrate looping (the yellow line at the top). In reality, a real producer making modern hip hop and electronic (key word being modern), would never use loops or wouldn't care to chop them.

Some of the responders want to create 30 part video series which goal is to brag about how overly complicated Sonar X1 is. In the real world people want EASY and don't want the software to get in the way. I believe I demonstrated how to get sonar to do this.

I read over all the responses and they are more or less just hating with no real substance involved.

I believed I showed the fastest, most reliable way to make electronic music on Sonar X1 and am proud of my video and research into doing this. The guy was right, the drop zone was indeed the tool required to drop the wavs into. Other methods are overly time consuming and complex.

No one has proved me otherwise and getting messed up with the drum master video series (which is laughably over complex) is certainly not the 'way you do it' when you can't even pre-sample your library of drum kits! lol! It almost becomes useless because of that. My method allows you to pre-sample.

But again, if anyone here ACTUALLY PRODUCED electronic music they would know this is a requirement so the 7 part drum series is a moot issue. (that series which is awful btw.. I mean at the very end the drums sound worse than they did before he passed all the eq on them. He took great natural drum sounds and then killed them in the final product). Ask anyone and they would choose the drop zone method for drums. The only thing I didn't cover that I should have was quantize.

Also you guys would be amazed at the Sonar X1 bugs I had to cut out of the video. It was unbelievable. I think there was like 6-10 of them no joking. I had to cut out all my rants.

Anyhow after reading the responses which are basically just hating without basis, I have to stand by the video as it's clear most here (including Cakewalk) aren't in touch with what the modern electronic producer needs. FL studio is a toy that doesn't have a working 'undo' so there are many of us frustrated with FL and looking to move. Most find other DAW's too daunting to tackle. The real problem is people using other DAW's are not making electronic music. Took me long to figure that out but that explains it.

i stopped reading after you said hiphop doesn't use loops? that's the whole basis surely?

Crush, go back and read your original post. The first response has a great solution to what you want to do but somehow you ignored it. No problem, you don't have to accept the great help provided on this forum - that's your call.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2204087

And maybe I'm a hater? Maybe you're right because I do hate it when a poster here on the forums ignores great advice.

And I hate it when a poster abandons their original post without finding a real solution when so many people tried to help.

And I hate being manipulated by a thread title and text thinking I'm about to watch an informative video when it really is just a self indulgent rant about irrelevant nonsense.

And I hate it when that poster then comes back to rant some more about everyone else and how they are just haters when we all tried to help you with your first post.

So I guess I'm a hater. Fine.

But you can still find out how to create some GREAT electronic music in Sonar if you'll just change your attitude and listen and hang in there with all the 'helpers' in the forum. Really, put down the sword, stop fighting this thing and we can help you out.

Or check out Billy Arnell's outstanding 'electronic' music (actually I'm not sure I'd pigeon hole it that way but will stick with and emphasize, the 'outstanding' part.)

http://www.ba-midi.com/music/files/

Yeah man, epic FAIL on this. If you really want to learn how to do quick auditioning and construction using SONAR you can totally learn how to set that up.  But, you're not really trying to learn that, you're trying to compare apples to oranges and set the product up to fail.

Plus, I love the phrase "laughably complex" referring to the drum production tutorials. If you do more than just make "drag and drop music", ie actually produce and mix a track, you'll realize that there's a craft and skill to advanced sound sculpting. It's what separates great music from very pedestrian electronica. I think it's hilarious you find mixing and producing to be "laughably complex".

he's a plant.

I looked at the videos.. interesting.. it's amusing in a sense because some of the ARTICLE people / labels from his area I go back years with.  I went over to Canada ,and they visited here. They are Toronto folk.. not wannabe English etc..  they have their own identity , even though they do a predominately UK form of music (from jungle way back to nu jazz / broken
beat)

I wonder if "spin the record" is still there.. half my luggage back was canadian records

talking about certain UK genres..fair enough, but to me it just seems like some comedy music version of "borat"

worm.. it's actually really insulting.. as I know folk from Toronto who do sterling work and if they got success it was thru hard graft. have shed loads of records out both in the UK and there. and you get mugs like this trying to make a comedy career out of it.

although.. they sent a demo tape to a friend label here.. called "the sound of silence".. and it was a blank tape . they used to play jokes against each other all the time, got really funny.

@Fog

Yea, I just laugh and move onward. The reason I said "great troll" is because the guy obviously did his 'bug research' homework, although he missed some of the better ones.

He kind of blew it though by going through the initial setup of X1 which he ignored in the FL section.
We all know it's pretty standard for any of the DAW software.

"Sound Of Silence" that's hysterical!!

Nice video :) 
Keep it simple keep it safe ;) 

timidi


he's a plant.

I think he's more like a rock, well at least as dumb as one.
I hope he get as many replies on youtube as here. and I hope they're fair, like here.
If he wanted to show the inadequacies of x1, he should have just said so. and unfortunately is quite easy to do.
instead he shows his own impotence.

I had to cut out all the bugs from the video trust me. It was bug after bug.

Tonight I tried to mess with it more. Wow it falls short so severely. So many things are illogical. Like.. I SURE HOPE THERE IS A SNAP on the main time line.

There was so many bugs tonight.. I just can't even count them all.

Don't get me wrong, FL studio is a toy and has an illogical workflow and not even a working 'undo' button. But wow Sonar X1 so far from what it seems is a huge let down.

What IS good software, is Sony Vegas. That is good. That is video editing software. It's logical. It makes sense. The timeline snaps to other videos above it. All 'undo's' work. It's very logical, sensible software. The X1 video brags about the fade volume, but that has been in Sony Vegas for years.

Well, get your butt over to Sony, and let the door hit you hard on your way out of here, cause you deserve it.  And good riddance.