ORIGINAL: HotCoollMusicGirl

ORIGINAL: AJ_0000

The only thing that's "exciting" about it is that it's non-expiring shareware and it has a small footprint.

And varispeed.

And WAY better performance than Sonar.

ORIGINAL: Jose7822

ORIGINAL: HotCoollMusicGirl

ORIGINAL: AJ_0000

The only thing that's "exciting" about it is that it's non-expiring shareware and it has a small footprint.

And varispeed.

And WAY better performance than Sonar.

It performs better because it's stripped down. That's like saying Windows Paint has better performance than Photoshop, or the Windows Calculator has better performance than Excel. So what?

At the end of the day it the person using the program at hand not the program itself.

'Anyone can hold a paint brush or pencil but it doesn't make them an artist'.

I don't see the point arguing over something so futile, if you like it, use it, if you don't, don't. Simple. A piece of software is only better than another piece of software in the right hands. Regardless of looks, speed, functionality.

ORIGINAL: AJ_0000

Let me give you a little background on my own situation. I'm a musician. Because the technology has finally gotten to a point where it can be done, I've recently gotten very serious about recording my own stuff, with the goal of having a commercial-grade (or close to it) product at the end of it. I don't have an unlimited budget. I can't afford to own every DAW program out there. I've chosen Sonar because I think it's the best thing out there right now for the money. In the past, I've found this forum to be extremely helpful. I've learned a lot of stuff from it that has greatly accelerated my learning curve. So when I log on here and start going through the threads, I'm looking for information that will be useful to me. Unfortunately, there are people who use this forum for other purposes. Some seem to view it as a social club. Others seem to view it as a latrine for them to drive by and spam about unrelated issues in any time they feel like it, and the worst variant of that mentality are people who try to use it to advertise for some non-Cakewalk product. There are forums out there for everything under the sun. If you want to discuss Reaper, use a Reaper forum. If you want discuss some other product, go to the forum for that. In other words, PLEASE QUIT WASTING MY TIME.

Let me give you a little background on everyone else's situation: Deep down, they probably don't really care all that much what you think. I've just done a little soul-searching, and by jove, I'm finding that I don't care either. How 'bout that?

Your arguments throughout this thread have been a joke. For example, you think that a lack of built in instruments makes it a stripped down program or something. The fact that it isn't bloated with entry-level romplers and synths (ugh) that no real "pro" would ever use does not make it a stripped down anything. I have Sonar 4...and while I used to think the TTS-1 was kinda neat coz it let me get some drum, bass, guitar and piano sounds, eventually I started realizing that the drums sounded pretty bland next to commercial products, and the guitars had virtually nothing in the way of articulations and sounded horribly fake etc.. In other words, instruments that are included in pretty much all DAW hosts are, as a general rule, total crap (unless you're into electronica and the like and actually use those godawful synth plugins). I might consider using the TTS-1 for piano or other keyboard, but since I own Kontakt2, and have pianos out the ying-yang, including a 1.5GB August Foerster and a large Steinway, why would I bother with some mini-rompler? You seem to tout Sonar for containing a bunch of instruments of the so-so quality you accuse Reaper of being. From what I've read, Reaper's got some better audio features (ie.Routing) than the latest Sonar, according to more reputable statements I've read online (ie. someone who actually know what they're talking about, not some joe having virtual-territorial issues throwing a hissy-fit and honking all over those who annoy him with posts who's topics aren't to his liking), and I don't know what you do with midi in Sonar, but as someone who roughs in melodies on a keyboard and tweaks/quantizes/etc... here and there in the piano roll, I don't know what Reaper is lacking that you figure makes it useless for "pro" (groan) usage. I have no use for midi paintbrushes and the like, though I'm sure it's only a matter of time before all kinds of superfluous luxuries make their way into Reaper's midi features too. I haven't tried S7 (or 6 or 5), but Sonar4 doesn't do anything I need that Reaper doesn't do (in fact I'm still puttering around with both for the hell of it since I got a quad-core system and performance isn't a major issue with either host yet), though I'm admitedly strictly a hobbyist who's not all that serious, not an accomplished and well recognized professional like you who knows the pro studio scene intimately, can judge a DAW host's merit in an hour, and has no tolerance for the impudence of amateurs who might like using Reaper in conjunction with Sonar for various reasons and dare to mention the program in your forum.

That you think anyone who talks about Reaper in here is an agent of the devil, er, I mean Reaper who has Reaper-spamming on their agenda, and that the author is in cohoots with wares scum, blah blah etc... is amusing though. Now put on your tinfoil hat, take a deep breath, and don't let all this nasty Reaper talk interfere with your brilliant career. Someday, we'll all recognize your greatness and will accept your wisdom as gospel when you decide for us what we should and should not talk about in your forum. You know best, after all

ORIGINAL: Richard Brian
I don't think anyone who talks about Reaper in here is whatever you said, there, but I'll tell you there's still a stink in the air from when the Reaper cats were "Spreading the word" in here (and every other audio forum). What a bunch of moronic and juvenile crap. Whenever I hear someone say Reaper, that's the first thing that I associate with it.

Pardon my ludicrous sensationalism, I figured I was replying in kind.

It sounds like you're refering to a specific time when blatant Reaper spamming was rampant...? I either musta missed it, or maybe even was a part of it without realizing how rampant it was. But I'm sure it's the same for any up and comer in the DAW field. FL Studio got pimped alot for a while way back, and I'm sure people must have been sick of hearing about some new "Sonar" app years ago.

I wouldn't be surprised if those two "cheap" apps, FL Studio and to a smaller extent (due to its newness), Reaper, have played at least an imperceptably small part in the moderate pricing you enjoy with apps like Sonar and Cubase. That there are DAW publishers out there proving that whatever you can do with the most expensive software, you can do with an app costing a couple hundred bucks or less (albeit with an entirely different workflow, if not paradigm) might be helping to keep the price of other apps at a reasonable level.

Now that I've got a smokin new machine, I'm 98% decided on finally upgrading to Sonar 7 in July with my vacation pay. The vocal tuning app included looks mighty cool judging from a video I saw, but I'll still be glad I got a 50 dollar "non-commercial" license for Reaper and look forward to seeing what V3 looks like. Who knows, I may have parts of one wired into the other by then. Hell, I'm even tempted to grab FL Studio 8 at the same time. I think I have a DAW fetish...as long as there's no dongle, I'd do it. And I'm not sure that talking about the competition in here should be a hanging offence.

ORIGINAL: AJ_0000
In other words, PLEASE QUIT WASTING MY TIME.

Dude, you're the one reading this thread (and continuing to reply.)

ORIGINAL: Richard Brian

Heh, suffice it to say that their "Reaper" brand name was likely irreparably damaged for this cat.

You may be right on that. I apparently missed some of the early gang wars.

But I suspect also that the irrational and overreaching reactions every time it's mentioned actually increase Reaper's 'sample rate'.

That's what got me to check Reaper out... weeks before one of its main anti-cheerleaders here even bothered to.

Those who wish Reaper unspoken of are best not speaking of Reaper.

Those who wish Reaper unspoken of are best not speaking of Reaper.

Now thats creative writing worthy of Jinga! Nice one.

ORIGINAL: sessionthree

ORIGINAL: AJ_0000
In other words, PLEASE QUIT WASTING MY TIME.

Dude, you're the one reading this thread (and continuing to reply.)

What he said!

other way? ... I .... hope?... umm both are Ob.... I hope more...

ORIGINAL: Richard Brian

Not me...when someone mentions Reaper I think of childish morons. Now that's brand recognition.

And when I see the "Rock America Records" logo, I think of petulant losers...now that's advertising.

NO!

we should not lock it down. It is informative and as they say it is good to know what the competition is doing, and applauding its good points does not take away, or make the app that you use useless. Unless you are very fragile minded as AJ has shown in his post, where he had a bit of a breakdown. I think he is from the UK and he is probably having a cup of tea right now. just playing I like AJ!

But I think Cakewalk understand the competition and probably think "hey they are talking about Reaper lets see what they have to say". And it may give them ideas to make their app better. Sonar is very good, Cubase is very good so are all the other apps on the market non of them have gone into liquidation far as I know. And I for one would not think it a sin to have two or three DAWs sitting on my pc. Or have a pc sitting next to a MAC working on Pro Tools while the pc is on and Sonar flickering in the background. AJ do you think that would be wrong of me!!!

I think it's the title of the thread that gets every Sonar fans back up immediately. I mean Match that, Cakewalk! is a bold statement asking for trouble on a Cakewalk forum.

But a healthy discussion on the pro's and con's of alternate software, that can be used in conjunction with Sonar is a good thing. Be it Reaper, Reason, or whatever. Other peoples knowledge goes a long way for those that don't know ;)

Software developers need critics to improve, as with every other aspect of life.

ORIGINAL: ChristopherM

I just read the KVR (weekly e-mail) Newsletter - it contains not one (1), but two (2) notifications of updates to Reaper. Fairly early in the list we get "Cockos updates REAPER to v2.202". Towards the end we get "Cockos updates REAPER to v2.203 for Windows ...".

I have seen the future ... and it involves rather too frequent updates of software. Whatever happened to the doctrine of RFT?

PS - Anyone know whether Greg "12 toes" Hendershott has figured out who is behind the Cockos Org yet? "Jason, Justin, Jasus ... I know it begins with letter J or something like that anyways"

If ... err ... that's When I grow up, I hope to live under a bridge and scare billy goats gruff for a living.

Ah, this thread was started by someone criticizing reaper's open development and update cycle. It is hard to understand from a $179 version x.0.0 every October, that requires a stability patch in early November, point of view. Someday reaper's development will slow down, be stuck in the mud, and a new zealot developer/application will come along. No big deal.
Sonar is a very good tool, things are changing, no way to know the future, but that doesn't mean we need to keep a narrow focus. And Sonar 8 may be so good that CW will have a tool to corner the market, making an end to any discussion of which tool does which job better.

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ORIGINAL: AJ_0000

The original poster was being sarcastic. He was criticizing Reaper. Unfortunately, those for whom Reaper is apparently some sort of "cause" seem to have let that fly right over their heads. Never pass up an opportunity to solicit new users I guess.

No one is soliciting new users, "The facts ma,m just the facts", just clarifying and resolving misunderstandings.