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Re: Midi - should it go or should it stay ? 2018/02/28 17:10:14 (permalink)
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Man what a question!!  Asking if SONAR should keep midi is liking asking if the Louvre should keep the Mona Lisa. 


If you have ever been to the Louvre you would know that it would both survive and thrive without the Mona Lisa.  
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Re: Midi - should it go or should it stay ? 2018/02/28 17:12:30 (permalink)
Don't forget, guitarists also get to use Midi in a very special way without giving up the guitar.....
 


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Re: Midi - should it go or should it stay ? 2018/02/28 17:16:43 (permalink)
I am a very heavy midi user and was the OP of one of the longest threads on this forum asking to fix notation problems in the staff view. The main reason i stick with Sonar is those two features.

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Re: Midi - should it go or should it stay ? 2018/02/28 17:23:26 (permalink)
I use MIDI in every project. Can't do without it.
As mentioned earlier, I haven't found a DAW I couldn't do my kind of MIDI work in.
My needs aren't massive.
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Re: Midi - should it go or should it stay ? 2018/02/28 17:28:54 (permalink)
I do agree that Cubase does have better handling of notation but i use Notion ReWired to Sonar and it does what i need.

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Re: Midi - should it go or should it stay ? 2018/02/28 17:46:18 (permalink)
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All of the other DAWs have decent midi capabilities. Reaper has come a long way in the last few years, as has Studio One. Both are missing some advanced midi editing capabilities, but make up for it in other areas....



I'm both an audio and a heavy MIDI guy. I switched to Studio One when Sonar development bit the dust. I personally find Studio One's MIDI superior to Sonar. I've heard people bash Studio One's MIDI capabilities, but when I posted "WHY" on the SO site, no one could give specifics. Plenty of SO users love it, but NO specifics. SYSEDIT? Don't use it.
 
What in your opinion does SO miss some advanced MIDI editing capabilities?
 
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Re: Midi - should it go or should it stay ? 2018/02/28 18:29:37 (permalink)
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I'm both an audio and a heavy MIDI guy. I switched to Studio One when Sonar development bit the dust. I personally find Studio One's MIDI superior to Sonar. I've heard people bash Studio One's MIDI capabilities, but when I posted "WHY" on the SO site, no one could give specifics. Plenty of SO users love it, but NO specifics. SYSEDIT? Don't use it.
 
What in your opinion does SO miss some advanced MIDI editing capabilities?
 
Thanks,
 
Walt

 
I'm curious, Studio One being one of the alternative DAWs I haven't tried (Logic and ProTools round out that list), what about the SONAR MIDI is lacking relative to Studio One? Or, what about the Studio One MIDI isn't that is superior? Either way you want to look at it.

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Re: Midi - should it go or should it stay ? 2018/02/28 18:38:29 (permalink)
Not only is MIDI required for VSTis, but some VSTs also have MIDI components. Not developing would make more sense than dropping altogether (easier too if it came to such).

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Re: Midi - should it go or should it stay ? 2018/02/28 19:06:05 (permalink)
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Man what a question!!  Asking if SONAR should keep midi is liking asking if the Louvre should keep the Mona Lisa. 


Well put !!.... Sonar with No Midi ??? Laughable .... plus, even the so called ‘king of DAWS’ Pro Tools is still trying to catch up in this regard 🧐
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Re: Midi - should it go or should it stay ? 2018/02/28 19:19:09 (permalink)
There is more about midi than its DAW midi features. I have been with Studio One for 7 years now and using its midi with a fairly powerful external hardware based setup.  I have got up to 10 hardware devices I can run in tandem with the DAW audio/soft synth side.  The hardware still sounds rather excellent and sublime in tandem with the audio quality of your DAW and the sound of its internal soft synths. 
 
Midi timing is very cool in Studio One.  I run a midi interface on its own USB port that is on a card plugged into a PCIe slot.  So its independent of everything else.  Its 8 midi ports connect to my 8 main synths.  
 
Sonar's midi timing to me feels like it changes when the audio side of the program is working super hard.  (e.g. CPU resources being pushed) I maybe wrong but I always found that the midi timing was somehow linked to what the audio is up to.  When pushed super hard, it seemed to change. 
 
Studio One is solid and tight no matter what the audio side of the system is up to.  It locks into the metronome real nice here.  All parts.  All my synths are on channel 1 and on each on their own port.  Often I am only getting one sound per synth as well.  This all rocks super nice for me.  Latency is super fast like this.  1mS or so! per instrument.
 
You can do some tricks too like put Studio One into record, setup a loop and loop and jump midi tracks on the fly. Adding in new data just for that track.  The synths will respond according to what track you land on.  For me this was the main reason I switched.  The gapless engine comes into play rather nicely when working with lots of hardware synths.  You can do multiple things while Studio One is in record or play.  When you land on a track you can jump out of record and rehearse, jump back into record and then add in new material.  Sonar cannot even attempt this.  Cubase and Logic would be able to do it though. 
 
The internal midi resolution is super high.  Recording and playing back really well and beautifully played non quantised parts with great accuracy is one thing Studio One does very well.  Advancing midi tracks timing wise by fine tuning is super easy and any latency due to when the sound hits its peak in terms of the grid can be compensated for very well. 
 
There are a ton of existing midi operations the can be performed on your recorded data.  More than what you actually need most of the time.  The Studio One midi editing and features all allow one to create a great sounding piece of music and in the end that is all that really counts.  It is missing some advanced features, but all the midi basics are there and they are solid.  The PRV view is beautiful and perfectly fine.  You can see note velocities and control data all at once.  You can edit multiple midi tracks at once.  Automating midi data is a breeze too. Future updates may add in more features. V4 is on the horizon and you can bet it will add in some nice things.
 
You can add in plugins like the free Cockos Rea stuff.  One of those free plugs is a midi librarian and can act as a library for any synth.  Sounds can be auditioned and loaded in and received back.  It  is handling SYSEX data for you and runs inside Studio One.  Midi preset definitions can be setup as well.  Its also free.  Midi editing features can also be bought and plugged into Studio One via plugins.  They have started creating their own with their existing 4 midi effects.  Incredible step sequencers can be added too. Build in the areas you need. 

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Re: Midi - should it go or should it stay ? 2018/02/28 19:22:46 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby tlw 2018/03/01 00:22:26
No MIDI No SONAR simples.  It would make all my hardware and software synths redundant.

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Re: Midi - should it go or should it stay ? 2018/02/28 19:22:47 (permalink)
MIDI is the heart and start of every song I do in SPlat. I record with my soft synths via MIDI only later mixing to audio. I can edit notes in MIDI... I sure can't do that in audio. There is no question that the venerable MIDI *must* go on!

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Re: Midi - should it go or should it stay ? 2018/02/28 19:30:19 (permalink)
Although half my hardware synth stuff could connect via USB, I do it all through midi and it all just seems to work the best.  I have been doing it this way since 1985.  A decent midi patch bay/switcher  comes in handy along with your midi interface.  
 
I have 3 other external computers all being virtual instruments and I have midi interfaces all fitted to them as well.  They all play perfectly just like a hardware synth.  Midi handles all that communication for me.  And it does it effortlessly.  It is the simplest and most effective way to get a bunch of external computers all playing along with your current arrangement. 

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Re: Midi - should it go or should it stay ? 2018/02/28 20:17:48 (permalink)
The key element with MIDI is that it allows you to program a sequencer that can control an enormous variety of instruments, many simultaneously in what sounds like real time. Without a sequencer, you do not have a DAW, you have an audio editor.
 
Without MIDI we would be pretty much into the Tower of Babel as far as electronic/digital instruments are concerned. In the early days you had a box with a few knobs and a lot of holes in it to plug patch cords into, and each instrument was a law unto itself. Unless you want to return to the days of playing everything live and recording the result, with limited ability to alter timing to match up pre-recorded parts, then something like MIDI is needed. If you had to load a separate driver for each softsynth that would translate commands from each different controller it would rapidly become unwieldy. That is the way early MS DOS printers worked, each came with its own driver, and was useless without it. The cost saving alone in the ability to use pretty much any controller with pretty much any instrument are well worth the price of settling on a basic standard.
 
MIDI is not static. The MIDI over USB spec has greatly improved the number of channels and speed of transmission available. MIDI polyphonic expression, which was recently introduced, goes a long way toward getting past the limitations of variable note by note expression from the use of per channel controllers. Instruments are being developed that will no doubt take full advantage of that.
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Re: Midi - should it go or should it stay ? 2018/02/28 20:33:09 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby kitekrazy1 2018/02/28 21:30:39
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Re: Midi - should it go or should it stay ? 2018/02/28 20:39:18 (permalink)
Midi is essential, IMO and I completely agree with Jeff, one of things I noticed in S1, the midi side of things is damn tight!

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Re: Midi - should it go or should it stay ? 2018/02/28 20:44:13 (permalink)
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The key element with MIDI is that it allows you to program a sequencer that can control an enormous variety of instruments, many simultaneously in what sounds like real time. Without a sequencer, you do not have a DAW, you have an audio editor.
 


You can still have a Digital Audio Workstation without MIDI.  
You have digital recording, mixing, effects, console, etc all without the need for MIDI.  
 
MIDI dramatically adds to the capabilities of the DAW, but it is not a pre-requisite to function as a digital audio workstation.  
 
I wasn't' even using MIDI until a few years ago when the VSTi could actually hang with hardware sound quality.  
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Re: Midi - should it go or should it stay ? 2018/02/28 21:28:22 (permalink)
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All of the other DAWs have decent midi capabilities. Reaper has come a long way in the last few years, as has Studio One. Both are missing some advanced midi editing capabilities, but make up for it in other areas....



I'm both an audio and a heavy MIDI guy. I switched to Studio One when Sonar development bit the dust. I personally find Studio One's MIDI superior to Sonar. I've heard people bash Studio One's MIDI capabilities, but when I posted "WHY" on the SO site, no one could give specifics. Plenty of SO users love it, but NO specifics. SYSEDIT? Don't use it.
 
What in your opinion does SO miss some advanced MIDI editing capabilities?
 
Thanks,
 
Walt
 
 




Mostly, the biggest difference is transparency and quick edits. In Sonar, I can see everything in a midi track pretty easily, In S1, it's less transparent. The smart tool in Sonar actually makes editing faster, though you can get fast with S1 with some judicious shortcuts. I bought S1 as well, and I've transferred all of my projects to S1 and I'm getting along just fine.
 
One thing where Sonar really has an advantage over S1 is multi-core processing. I'm still learning how to work around that...
 
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Re: Midi - should it go or should it stay ? 2018/02/28 21:52:05 (permalink)
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The key element with MIDI is that it allows you to program a sequencer that can control an enormous variety of instruments, many simultaneously in what sounds like real time. Without a sequencer, you do not have a DAW, you have an audio editor.
 


You can still have a Digital Audio Workstation without MIDI.  
You have digital recording, mixing, effects, console, etc all without the need for MIDI.  
 
MIDI dramatically adds to the capabilities of the DAW, but it is not a pre-requisite to function as a digital audio workstation.  
 
I wasn't' even using MIDI until a few years ago when the VSTi could actually hang with hardware sound quality.  




I do not see how any of the not MIDI features you mention are not part of an audio editor. If you were going to claim that you can have a DAW without a sequencer, then you would have a stronger argument if you had mentioned the addition of automation recording for those features. Audio editors these days usually have automation as well. Even something as simple as Audacity can do what you have listed under recorded automation, and I do not think anyone is claiming it is a full fledged DAW. The simplest audio editors can usually do basic effects and mixing. It is easier to define a sequencer, of which there are not many any more, by saying that it does not record and manipulate audio than it is to distinguish what the difference between an audio editor and a DAW are, but MIDI capability seems to be a good place to start.
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Re: Midi - should it go or should it stay ? 2018/02/28 21:56:39 (permalink)
MIDI is a must have for me as I still use a lot of hardware synths and modules plus it's needed to synchronize my MPC Renaissance that I use for drums and sequences. With that said. I hope the new "Bakers" if you will upgrade (or perhaps overhaul) their MIDI implementation. I stopped recording midi tracks in SONAR years ago because of the timing problems that I was constantly having which the MPC solves.

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Re: Midi - should it go or should it stay ? 2018/02/28 22:42:51 (permalink)
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The key element with MIDI is that it allows you to program a sequencer that can control an enormous variety of instruments, many simultaneously in what sounds like real time. Without a sequencer, you do not have a DAW, you have an audio editor.
 


You can still have a Digital Audio Workstation without MIDI.  
You have digital recording, mixing, effects, console, etc all without the need for MIDI.  
 
MIDI dramatically adds to the capabilities of the DAW, but it is not a pre-requisite to function as a digital audio workstation.  
 
I wasn't' even using MIDI until a few years ago when the VSTi could actually hang with hardware sound quality.  




I do not see how any of the not MIDI features you mention are not part of an audio editor. If you were going to claim that you can have a DAW without a sequencer, then you would have a stronger argument if you had mentioned the addition of automation recording for those features. Audio editors these days usually have automation as well. Even something as simple as Audacity can do what you have listed under recorded automation, and I do not think anyone is claiming it is a full fledged DAW. The simplest audio editors can usually do basic effects and mixing. It is easier to define a sequencer, of which there are not many any more, by saying that it does not record and manipulate audio than it is to distinguish what the difference between an audio editor and a DAW are, but MIDI capability seems to be a good place to start.


An Audio Editor if it has enough features can be a Digital Audio Workstation.  
 
(BTW:   Audacity does have the ability to play back MIDI files)
 
You are trying to make a distinction between "full fledged" DAW and a "normal" DAW?  That I think is the heart of where you are going.  
 
I argue that a Digital Audio Workstation allows the creation and manipulation of multi-track audio in a digital environment.  Some advanced audio editors fit into this category.  
 
In the past, audio editors were "stereo" programs, the lines have blurred as many of these programs added multi-track capabilities and became DAWs with lesser feature sets.  
 
 
Lets take the opposite as an example.  Reason used to be MIDI based Sequencer type of program (with specific audio types you could also import).  Even though it didn't record multitrack audio, it was still a Digital Audio Workstation, it just wasn't "full fledged" or in other terms, it was a limited DAW compared to some other products on the market as you would have to pull in audio files recorded in a different program.  
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Re: Midi - should it go or should it stay ? 2018/02/28 22:48:49 (permalink)
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 Sonar's midi timing to me feels like it changes when the audio side of the program is working super hard.  (e.g. CPU resources being pushed) I maybe wrong but I always found that the midi timing was somehow linked to what the audio is up to.  When pushed super hard, it seemed to change. 
 

 
I don't know if it's the same thing, but anything above 512 samples and plugins which output MIDI (Cthulhu, Jamstix etc) are completely unusable in Sonar. The MIDI timing becomes atrocious to the point where Sonar sounds like it's drunk. It's not just a matter of the MIDI being delayed, i.e. latency (I could live with that), it's that the distance between notes is all over the place, like it has no sense of rhythm whatsoever. 
 

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Re: Midi - should it go or should it stay ? 2018/02/28 23:01:59 (permalink)
There are several advances in the works for MIDI. MPE was the tip of the iceberg. I think the question to ask isn't whether MIDI is the future, but which DAWs will be the first to take advantage of the enhancements.
 
I also recommend the midi.org site to keep up with what's happening. (Full disclosure: I consult to it pro bono.)

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Re: Midi - should it go or should it stay ? 2018/03/01 00:27:40 (permalink)
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There are several advances in the works for MIDI. MPE was the tip of the iceberg. I think the question to ask isn't whether MIDI is the future, but which DAWs will be the first to take advantage of the enhancements.
 
I also recommend the midi.org site to keep up with what's happening. (Full disclosure: I consult to it pro bono.)

Thanks fer the heads up, Craig! As always, u da man!

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Re: Midi - should it go or should it stay ? 2018/03/01 00:35:01 (permalink)
Just registered at midi.org... looks like a happening place! MIDI is alive and kicking.
 

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Re: Midi - should it go or should it stay ? 2018/03/01 00:45:20 (permalink)
Jordan Rudess talks MIDI!
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8t8HKHYzZM 

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Re: Midi - should it go or should it stay ? 2018/03/01 01:00:02 (permalink)
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There are several advances in the works for MIDI. MPE was the tip of the iceberg. I think the question to ask isn't whether MIDI is the future, but which DAWs will be the first to take advantage of the enhancements.

Agreed.
Looking forward this.
 
For myself , I am a duo performer who is heavily into editing midi to suit our particular requirements and sound preferences.When Live, we use a Roland SD50 sound module and VanBasco as a lightweigt Lyrics Prompt. Has worked magnificently for years..and Sonar's timely , seamless load from windows explorer with a double click,and quick running of the MIDI files is why we prefer SONAR.
SONAR has the ability to make edits and save without losing our preferred GS Format and without losing our mostly, personally loaded lyrics (ie: per Serenade )
I tried a plethera of other DAWs over the past months.....even purchased a couple ( largely under sufferance).
To me.....as far as my quick editing needs........the others appeared clunky or too complicated ....and OH Boy...I missed SYSX & Event List, bigtime as it was absent or badly diminished in many of them.
Many trial DAWS seemed,shall we say...not as MIDI friendly. Admittedly my time with them was limited - but enough to assess our critical needs.
BUT that's for my use..............But let's face it..... it really is 'Horses for Courses'.
I suggest Sonar has a very wide appeal ......let's not set adrift what is possibly a huge MIDI user base.
 
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Re: Midi - should it go or should it stay ? 2018/03/01 01:03:57 (permalink)
Bit of a silly question by the OP in my opinion.  I'm a 95% audio guy who does maybe 5% or less in Midi these days.  But a DAW that either had no or poor midi implementation would not interest me at all.  There are some times when the ability to interface with and edit midi is an absolute must, and the lack of good midi integration would be an absolute show-stopper.  If ever I'm recording keyboard, even via audio, I capture the midi - the possibility to do all kinds of interesting stuff would be lost without it.  More and more now, I am putting triggers on drum kits and capturing midi data along with the acoustic performance.  And how many controller devices of all types rely on midi?  Pretty much all of them.
 
Losing capable midi editing would be a HUGE loss, even for me who does mainly audio-only projects.  Can't quite believe anyone would even ask the question.
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Re: Midi - should it go or should it stay ? 2018/03/01 01:10:24 (permalink)
BRuys
Bit of a silly question by the OP in my opinion.  I'm a 95% audio guy who does maybe 5% or less in Midi these days.  But a DAW that either had no or poor midi implementation would not interest me at all.  There are some times when the ability to interface with and edit midi is an absolute must, and the lack of good midi integration would be an absolute show-stopper.  If ever I'm recording keyboard, even via audio, I capture the midi - the possibility to do all kinds of interesting stuff would be lost without it.  More and more now, I am putting triggers on drum kits and capturing midi data along with the acoustic performance.  And how many controller devices of all types rely on midi?  Pretty much all of them.
 
Losing capable midi editing would be a HUGE loss, even for me who does mainly audio-only projects.  Can't quite believe anyone would even ask the question.




 Nicely Put !
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Re: Midi - should it go or should it stay ? 2018/03/01 01:15:47 (permalink)
From midi.org:
 
"Make Sure Your PC is Bluetooth 4.0 Compatible.
With recent updates in the Windows 10 OS, SONAR's DAW takes advantage of using Bluetooth 4.0 Low Energy (BLE) to connect Bluetooth enabled MIDI devices. Now, almost all operating systems have this capability, so the performance is only going to get better from here..."
 
MIDI is, like, cutting edge, yunno?

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