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Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/06 12:44:08 (permalink)
Damn that looks nice! 

 
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Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/06 13:45:22 (permalink)
flame looks great.
neck dimensions look a bit..... thick.
 
put some 6100's on it.
 
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Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/06 15:04:42 (permalink)
Thanks guys...it really is a wonderful piece of wood. I wish it had been perfectly clear but the grain is wonderfully straight and nice flame.
 
Bat I think most would consider the neck "chunky". It's for me and I do like a thick neck.
 
The measurements of early Fender necks is all over the place but I think saying that from .830 (1st) - .960 (12th) is pretty safe in relation to "chunky". Taper was all over the place too. I like a taper.  Then complicate it all with profile and measurements and trying to explain verbally seems like a waste of time. Feel tells the story I guess since there are so many variations.
You like Warmoth so my neck is like the '59 Roundback.
 
Now the cool thing, I mentioned earlier, if I think it needs to be trimmed down later on, I can. Can't put the wood back though. I really doubt it will need it...it's been carved for my feel...as was my first neck-thru and I wouldn't change a thing about it. (it's size is like Warmoths listed SRV)
 
I have the fretwire and decided to use it. I'll be using what I recommended to you some time back- but if I remember correctly it was Evo gold - I'll be using nickel/silver FW47104 listed at LMI. It's like Gibson jumbo- a little taller.
Using Dunlop numbers I'd have to go with 6150's...a little smaller width and crown height than the 6100.
 
 
 
Here are some of the templates I said I'd post about.
You can see in the close-up that the plywood is sure worth the extra cash.
These will probably out-last me.
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
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Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/06 16:39:56 (permalink)
that ply form looks awesome.
 
makes for a more precision cut, especially if you are not using a CNC
 
 
 
 
yep, i have 6150's on my custom strat..
 
and it is a USACG.
 
i much prefer them over warmoth, after a lengthy investigation and experimentation.
 
my neck:
hardrock maple neck, with a pau ferro fingerboard. 6150 frets, 1-5/8" nut width. small fender-style headstock.
--Gibson scale length neck, 22 frets, fingerboard radius, of 12". the shape of the neck is a thin "C" shape, with a .78" neck thickness at the 1st fret, up to .85 at the 13th, mother of pearl dot inlays.
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Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/06 16:41:54 (permalink)
oh  yea, the coolest part of the neck, i always forget:
the headstock, 
tiltback design, 13 degrees
 
it's not a scarf, but a continuous piece.
they've quit making them that way now.
if i want another one ordered, i'd probably go to warmoth, but the usacg necks are superlative to the warmoth necks i sampled.
 
 
 
 

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Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/06 22:42:00 (permalink)
My mistake Bat- I knew you preferred the USACG necks.
 
It's not the photo- it is thick. I think most call it "chunky".
It's within a couple of thousands of the Clapton and SRV necks at Warmoth.
I carved to feel and don't care about numbers while I'm doing that...just the feel. Contour
is a major player that effects those numbers and there are just to many variations to have words try to
explain "feel". Well at least I can't do it.
 
I'll be using some wire I have- FW47104- like Gibson jumbo and not as wide or tall as the 6100 Dunlop.
 
 
Your neck sounds like the one that Steve wanted on his Strat style. It's a one piece tilt.
The best part of the tilted head IMO is that it is easier to add a headplate than the Fender style...although
I have bent and shaped Wenge for a Tele style. The effort was worth it...made it beautiful.
He also wanted the Gibson short scale which I think is what you like too. ?
 
Well I've had this very light piece of body wood in my shop for a few years and decided to use it. It's been a very straight one piece for a long time so I think it's good to go.  I will be experimenting with the inlay pickguard....man, I hope I don't ruin it. It's a great piece of wood...but I enjoy the pressure lol.
 
The new template worked great so thought I'd add some pics to this mess.
Also first thick run with a new spiral bit-shown in photo.
 
 
Bandsawed and sanded close to line to take some work off the router:

Taped for the template. Don't know if it takes this much but I don't want
to find out with the router running.
Tape is used a lot and I've found out it's good to roll it off- doesn't pull on the
wood fiber as bad as getting a corner of it and pulling.

After that router bit did it's thing. Spiral bit- only way to go.

Not bad. Very little burn on the end grain, ready to sand the edges.
(something that should be done before roundover bit on edges)
Next I'll start milling out for the goods and neck. Will be my first
shot at routering for a trem too. Lot's of first times with this build.

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Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/06 23:29:51 (permalink)
This is fun Spacey, love these threads. I have always had pretty good luck with using double face tape on my router templates as well. At work, the CNC Routers are pretty cool these days, the beds are vacuum suction, which holds the pieces to the bed. I can't use them for personal projects however.

I have always wanted to try a Strat build, so I am always very interested in watching how you approach things. I found out last week while traveling and talking with a colleague, that one of our Carpenters in the shop builds electric guitars. I am going to have to swing by his bench next Wednesday when I go back to work and talk a little shop. :-)

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Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/07 00:47:05 (permalink)
That is great to hear Mike. Fun is a major part of it all. Knowing that some enjoy the posts make it worth it.
 
I have nothing against the use of CNC used in guitar making. I understand the benefits for manufacturers but I'll pass on that tool. It can get kind of fuzzy when one thinks about "handmade" because of tools but a builder can make a choice about what he feels is right and I just can't see me programming a machine to carve a neck or body...just no interest there for me.
I started checking out vacuum  because I was thinking about making covers for the pickups I make. Really about the only use for vacuum that I can see... may or may not happen down the road. Sounds like it would be fun trying.
 
I envy you. I wish I knew others around me that were building.
Hope you get a chance to post about your visit. I'd love to hear about it.
 
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Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/07 09:32:37 (permalink)
We have, on average, 80-90 Carpenters hired in our shop to build trade show exhibits. This guy has been a regular since I have been with the company, so I am surprised that I had not heard about his guitar building up until now. I just went on the road to install a large trade show in Vegas for 19 days and this year I decided that I was going to pack an old beater acoustic to go with me. We had 15 trailers of freight that came out of my building alone, so I simply slipped it into a crate bound for the show floor. We get there before anyone else does, while it is still bare concrete. I guess when I pulled it out of the crate to bring it back to the hotel is when some of the Carpenters traveling with us mentioned that I need to talk with this guy.

I know that one of these days I am going to try this, but I also know that I am going to have a lot of guitar making specialty tools to pick up when I do. I know I better first work on some of the projects my wife has asked me to do, like refinishing the dining room table, or it's going to be a sore spot around my house. :-)

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Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/07 13:52:05 (permalink)
I can assure you it will be expensive Mike. I'm sure glad I wasn't planning on getting my investment back making them to sell.
It's cool though having the tools- I've built many things other than guitars...and kept the wife happy too LOL.
 
Well I decided rather than sanding I would make sure the neck and body would fit. First time with templates and took a guess making them- mentioned that earlier.
Luck has it that it turned out as planned. It took very little sanding on the neck and the fit is how it should be. And the center-line is balls on. (from nut to tail)  Whew...kinda nerve racking but sure feel good about it now.
 

 
Now my head is spinning...my plan is to inlay a pickguard. By that I mean no screws and it will never come off.
So that means the control cavity will have to be in the back...back to the drawing board.
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Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/07 14:24:59 (permalink)
Man, that's some good work. Sure is looking nice.
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Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/07 14:48:17 (permalink)
Very nice.
 
I'm curious as to whether you went with 21 frets vs. 22 as a preference or if it was to accommodate the truss adjustment.

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Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/07 17:16:50 (permalink)
Thanks Leadfoot.
 
It was for the rod Drew. Number of frets is really just design factors to me, not a playing preference.
 
 
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Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/08 07:19:12 (permalink)
I hadn't thought of that Mike. Not much more than the type of truss-rod and bolt-on neck has been planned for this build so ideas are welcomed and that's a good one to think about.
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Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/08 09:53:09 (permalink)
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The pick guard screws and their spaced locations provide a decorative element that I enjoy.




The idea is good because I can see how I like the look with or without them.
 
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Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/09 10:16:57 (permalink)
looks like precision work.
i like it.
 
 
will you do a neck plate, or do you like the threaded inserts and screws with the recessed rings to bind the neck to the body?
 

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Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/09 14:26:11 (permalink)
Sorry about this but
 
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Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/12 13:36:24 (permalink)
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looks like precision work.
i like it.
 
will you do a neck plate, or do you like the threaded inserts and screws with the recessed rings to bind the neck to the body?



I'll be using a neck plate. I have used the inserts and like them. I also like the bolted necks with inserts but haven't used them yet.
Thanks for the kudo Bat.
I had a lifelong friend that I consider my only brother visit so although we spent much time in the shop it was mostly talk.
I did find that the distance around the bottom edge was not even. I had used aftermarket pickguard to make the template so I had to back up. Now it's right so I gave it a go.
Since it was to be inlayed I decided not to make it look like it wrapped around the tremolo...made it a little easier to make too.
7/16 roundover bits are said to be hard to find so I've read that most use a 1/2"...I didn't have any trouble so I got that done.
 

It's hard to see with my photo skills but the Birdseye from neck to inlay on body looks very good to me. I was concerned that I may not like it but had to give it a go.
I'll be using slotted vintage machines so got them ready.
I've found that the better the fit the better the machines do their thing so worth the effort for precision
You may notice the shoulder for the bushing...sure helps to keep that post running straight getting the right support on the heads face...IMO.
Hope you enjoy.
 
 
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Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/12 16:32:16 (permalink)
wow, that inlay looks trippy!
 
some might not be able to imagine it with finish, to pop the eye, but that is going to be really unique looking.
 
how are you going to finish this?
color, vintage, stain, clear?
 

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Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/12 17:19:45 (permalink)
Bat it does look trippy.
I've been wondering about the finish and I'm so busy trying to work out
how to best handle the control cavity and tremolo cavities that I just put that on the backburner.
 
Making the cavities is no big deal but since the control cavity has to be in back I'm now looking at
rather than having the standard shaped trem cover (which I'm planning on being Birdseye too) that it may be
best to get both with one cover and inset it...which means I'm back to making templates LOL.
 
I'm thinking that the vintage amber tint and nitro-cell -light coat would be best for the neck/fretboard and the
pickguard needs to match. I know a  luthier that does fantastic finish work so I'll sure be asking for his help with
the finish work.
I matched tint and nitro finish on my '57 refret job and it looks perfect...but I didn't have to deal with the body.
(I knew how Fender did it so I just did it the same way.)
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/12 17:58:54 (permalink)
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Wicked cool.
 
Can't wait to see the two woods when the finish makes them pop.
 




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Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/12 19:43:02 (permalink)
Man Spacey, I love the flame on that headstock. The inlaid pickguard blows my mind. I can't wait to see what you come up with next on this project.
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Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/14 09:00:03 (permalink)
Before doing the belly and arm reliefs I need to get all the router work done.
First time for a tremolo and the test fit seemed spot on.
 

You can see where I've outlined the area for controls. I've decided that a volume and one tone with a 5 way switch is all I want. I also don't want one big cover for the trem and controls. I'll use the same style of trem cover with the same screw pattern so it can be replaced easy, if need be.
I'll inset a Birdseye control cover. I'll be moving the stock volume control location not only to allow room for two separate covers but to get it away from the bridge pup.
To find exact location on the back I've drilled holes for pots from the front.

 
In this photo you can see where I transferred switch location (by template) from front to back of body and knowing pot locations. Now I can fine tune the cavity design as needed and make templates/covers.

 
IMO it is probably much better for one just to purchase a body and neck UNLESS you want to have the skills, bragging rights or off the wall custom work such as this (inlayed pickguard, control locations).
I could have bought this much cheaper-completely finished with a finish- and many places offer custom work for small fees.
I've seen this body style for $169.00-completed- and even though the block of wood I purchased a few years ago I know cost me over a $100.00.
So IMO I'm doing all this work on this body for less than a $50.00 savings...taking risks and spending time for probably a dollar per hour...just because I enjoy doing it and really enjoy playing a guitar that I made.
 
Thanks guys. Glad you're enjoying it.
I could probably have finished this build by now but I love playing and recording them too! :)
 
 
 
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Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/14 11:11:16 (permalink)
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Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/15 10:52:57 (permalink)
Glad you're enjoying it John. (while I move back not to be splashed )
 
Now I have all the pieces.
 

 
Now I can work on the reliefs, install frets and build some pickups.
Still have to drill the input jack plate screw holes and screw holes for the pups- ordered parts- but
that'll be it. Downhill from here.
 
 
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Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/15 11:16:28 (permalink)
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Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/16 08:46:42 (permalink)
Mike and Drew - I did ask some Luthiers, and still waiting for more replies, about what they would do - I wanted to get more ideas while I worked on the body and forearm reliefs.
One stated that he liked the Vintage White because it made Birdseye pop. (which is also called Vintage Cream or Banana Pudding)
Now the cool thing about that is that;
I went with a '62 Strat template and vintage style (tuners/trem) and will be making vintage pups. Fender didn't make a reverse wound-reverse polarity middle pickup back then. ( doing so helps eliminate hum when in the number 2 and 4 position of the 5-way switch- working much like a HB) Making the middle pup RWRP also changes the tone(s).
There is a very good example of the effects on YouTube...and the guy is using Strats that are that color...just a strange coincidence...like I'm getting signs to go with that color and fortunately I don't own any Strats that color.
So currently I'm thinking Vintage White with the neck/Birdseye clear with an Amber tint.
 
I finished the body reliefs and basically done with all the woodwork while I wait on missing hardware to arrive.
Although weight of a guitar has never been an issue to me I know that it may be an issue for others so I'm getting into the habit of weighing. Thought I'd share the results...and I'll be weighing the pieces and completed guitar weight.
 
Just the body.

Just the neck.

All the wood.

 
 
 
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