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2014/05/30 11:57:30 (permalink)

More guitar making stuff...

I get many ideas from Youtube but I couldn't find anything for what I wanted to do
so had to try...
 
What I wanted was a master template for a Strat pickguard. It would be nothing more than the outline
so I could use it to make others with as needed for control and pup choices.
 
The first shot didn't work. I tried using a plastic guard taped to the MDF.
Problems; distance between bit bearing and cutting blades on router bit(s).; plastic was easy for bearing to ruin- cost me that guard. You can see in the photo how bearing and bit blades made contact- both bearing and blades hurt the guard.
 
 

 
I solved the problem by making a spacer to fit between pickguard and MDF and using a metal pickguard. ( it isn't tapered as the plastic may be and gave me the space needed for bearing to blades clearance.
 
( 1/2" MDF)
 
What started this? Just wanted to know I could make fitting or custom pickguards with different materials and it starts with templates. Maybe an inlayed one out of exotic wood? :) Uh oh...now I have to make a negative lol.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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    Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/05/30 12:03:17 (permalink)
    Gotta love guitar porn. 

     
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    Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/05/30 12:03:44 (permalink)
    Nicely done (as always).
     
    Looks like you can have some real fun with PG's now.

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    Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/05/30 12:37:44 (permalink)
    Oh an inlay that sounds quite a neat idea

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    Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/05/30 12:46:37 (permalink)
    i watched my luthier go thru a similar set of experiments when he was augmenting a blank i bought from warmoth...
     
    i had the bill lawrence cut in AFTER the fact, but it was a similar round of experiments before the final approach
     
     
    but the one i ordered from warmoth was mostly done, it was easy to edit.
     
    cutting from scratch? that's a bit scary...
     
    good job on that

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    Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/05/30 13:20:44 (permalink)
    Very inventive. 

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    Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/05/30 13:25:56 (permalink)
    I can't see these pics (at work), but I'll give it a +1.


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    Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/05/30 14:07:45 (permalink)
    Thanks for joining in guys...wasn't sure it would be of interest.
     
    Wookiee- I liked the inlay idea too but I'm still thinking...first time with stuff is a risk and sometimes very costly. I'm also not sure if that's a new idea but I don't recall ever seeing an inlayed guard. I'm attracted to seeing how it would look. I have seen pup covers made of wood and I know that sometimes to much of something can hurt the appeal.
    I've heard the wood pup covers like to crack in time...
     
    Drew- Thanks for the kudos- I hope to have some fun with it and maybe have a project to post so we can see how it works out.
     
    Bat- "scary" is a certain. Routers scare the hell out of me and then experimenting combined ? It did cost me getting this far but at least there were no incidents. That was the original guard to that black anniv. Strat I posted not long ago...bummer there. I did tape it on so the taper was towards the wood to help give distance but it wasn't enough and the thin edge wasn't enough for the process...and I did go easy. Just not enough beef like that.
    The spacer and the metal guard were keys. I don't know if a spacer and tapered plastic would work- probably- but I don't need to try that now.
    I sand everything very close so the router doesn't have much work. That sure helps.
     
    Jan - thanks...If I were more into video I'd post on youtube since I couldn't find help with making a template from a plastic pickguard...but unfortunately right now I'm not.
     
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    Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/05/30 14:18:21 (permalink)
    Spacey,

    Do you have your router mounted to a table; basically making a table router out of it, so that the bit is stationary? With something like this, I am much more comfortable moving the part instead of the router.

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    Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/05/30 15:54:57 (permalink)
    Very cool. :)

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    Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/05/30 17:09:32 (permalink)
    Mike I have a router table with a big router mounted. I also have a small router for jobs like cavities for pups- jobs that can't be done or I don't care to do on a table.
    In this case I'll use the positive to make other templates or pickguards on the table but I'll use the handheld one with the negative on the body.
     
    Rain-
     
     
    Well I got the negative made.
    I put some zebra under it so maybe it's easier to see.

     
    It was very tedious to make. I'll do any fine tuning with the first guard I make.  
    I had to make it just a little smaller than the positive. Reason is the positive will be
    edge sanded a few degrees to wedge into negative. I do mean a small amout- I could press them together as they are. If it's not a perfect fit it'll look like hell.
    At least that's the way I think it'll work...I'll find out lol.
     
     
     
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    Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/03 12:43:12 (permalink)
     
    I decided on the fretboard wood so I ordered a Birdseye board so I could attempt to inlay
    a matching pickguard.
    The neck build process I put in a link in the 335 thread. Two excellent videos I stumbled on.
     
    I'm on hold waiting for the tuners. I decided to go vintage and I don't like drilling the holes until
    I have the hardware...and that's the next step before I router down the head to the correct thickness.
    You may notice I used a wheel type truss-rod.
    If I get bored I'll inlay the fret dots/markers.
    Haven't decided on body wood or design yet....moving pretty slow and really making decisions as I
    go along. Since it's my first bolt-on build I know I'll build a display case to go with my first build- a neck-thru.
     
    Since I'll be trying my first inlay pickguard it was a good time to do a bolt-on build. If it goes south I'll
    still have the neck - with a neck-thru I'd lose it all.
     
    Flame and Birdseye neck...it sure looks beautiful...hope it makes it.
     
     
     
     

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    Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/03 16:08:52 (permalink)
    awesome.
    birdseye tastes good.
     

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    Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/04 16:01:30 (permalink)
    Thanks Bat.
    Sorry for my lack of photo skills...
     
    Got the tuner holes drilled (not for the bushings -still waiting to check size) and head thickness.
    (bushing bits have a 1/4" guide so no problem drilling them and best done before sizing the head thickness- makes for nice clean holes)
    Markers and 12" radius done.
    Nut slot done.
    (note: the fret slots are not cut to needed depth. They will be cut as needed to fretwire-when decided. Good fit but also if I decide to fill-in rather than the fret tang showing there will be much less to fill. And very little, if any, with the tang showing.)
     
    Tried to get better shots of the Birdseye...

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    Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/04 16:03:29 (permalink)
    WHAT IS IT... NAPTHA?
    THAT TEMPORARILY MAKES THE BIRDSEYE POP?
     
     

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    Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/04 16:06:58 (permalink)
    you know, when i used to play full time, i'd end up needing a fretjob about every 2 years....
    and my luthier, on the 2nd re-fret, just slotted for the frets and glued them into place, instead of pressing..
     
    and it sounded exactly the same, felt exactly the same, and the next time he did the re-fret, he just heated the frets with a solder iron, they slid right out, and he put the new ones right in the same way.
    LOL
     
     
    my current state of affairs:
     

     
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    Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/04 17:21:01 (permalink)
    Yes, Naptha.
    It's also good for cleaning the wood. I also use it to wipe the neck and fretboard down (and let dry) before I glue them up.
     
    I've done a couple refrets...it's nerve racking but I got of easy- they were mine and I was changing the radius too LOL.
     
    Yep- looks like it's time again Bat. The deepest wear will tell the story. You may get by with a level and dress...only the luthier will know for sure I guess.
     
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    post edited by mister happy - 2018/02/26 13:24:12


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    Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/04 22:23:12 (permalink)
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    Nut Slot: Curved or Flat bottom?
     
    :-)




    Flat.
    I'm curious why you ask. If you know the reason(s) for the difference then I have
    to assume you'd already know the answer...obviously there'd be no reason to hassle
    with a radius slot and nut without the need.
    Or maybe there is something I'm missing- which is why your question really sparked my curiosity.
    Maybe the question was to raise awareness of the differences...?...for those interested. I'm interested.
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    post edited by mister happy - 2018/02/26 13:24:21


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    Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/04 23:30:52 (permalink)
     
     
    I hadn't noticed but it does looked curved in the photo. It's also a good question Mike.
    I have my opinions on why the slot may be curved but I've never heard or read a "real" luthier state for certain.
     
    There are two reasons I think it may be curved; one being it was cut by the same saw cutting the fret slots and the other being to clear a certain style truss-rod.
    ( saw could be machine or handsaw with either having depth adjustment set and easy cutting to follow any radius)
     
     
    Since I don't install Fender style truss-rods and hand-cut the fret slots there is no reason to radius the nut slot/nut.
     
    When I did the refret on my '57 Custom shop Strat I replaced the nut since I also changed the FB radius and it had a radius nut slot the same as the FB. I didn't want to risk possibly filing a flat slot and getting into the truss-rod so...and it's not much trouble to do the nut but I imagine it's tedious working a radius slot from scratch, freehand. Much better options IMO when one has the choices.
     
     
     
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    Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/04 23:36:08 (permalink)
    The picture of the nut slot does make it look like the bottom of the slot is radiused like a fingerboard. It must be a trick of the lens and shadows.

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    Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/04 23:38:27 (permalink)
    Ok, I'll bite....so why would some one prefer a curved nut slot over a flat one?

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    Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/04 23:39:19 (permalink)
    LOL...I use a nut slot file which is flat but I'll sure find out how flat it is when I install the nut !
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    Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/05 00:02:11 (permalink)
    This is a very cool thread. You got some mad skills Spacey!
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    Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/05 11:24:42 (permalink)
    Thanks Bob and glad you're enjoying it.
     
    I decided to take a break and grab some photos.
    Not much to add as they really tell the story and naturally the
    result I'm shooting for is the feel I want.
    I use both sides of the file and then it's sand paper.
    Guidelines help keep me from where I don't want to go. The rest
    is just do it and hope like every other step- ya don't blow it.
    Really only one rule that runs through me brain when doing this part...
    ya can't put the wood back. :)
     
     
     
     
     
     
    Probably the most important line to me- keeping me away from the fretboard. Hit that wrong-game over.
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    Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/05 12:01:06 (permalink)
    my very first guitar...
     
    was a sears and roebuck.
    it had 4 pickups, and a tremelo in the style of a bigsby.
     
    i mowed lawns for a whole summer to save up enough to buy it, stuffing the money into a wine bottle.
     
    i thought it was the coolest thing ever (i think i paid $60)
     
    anyway, the NECK............... was laminated pine.
     
     
    after i had it for about a month, it developed a sticky spot on the back of the neck, right around the 5th fret.
     
     
    it was bleeding Pine Sap, right through the varnish.
     
    LOL
     
     
    no matter what i did, it would stay sticky.
    i got used to hitting a 'grab your hand' spot when i ever i moved up the neck.
    might have had something to do with making me bring my hand up in a more 'proper, classical' position!
     
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    Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/05 12:28:12 (permalink)
    Isn't it amazing how the memories are so vivid?
    While I restored my first I was flooded with memories...and
    just so very glad that the neck and body had made it through so many years. A '63 Harmony
    bought from a local music store where I took lessons. Fortunately it had a Mahogany neck.
     
    And the sense of touch...just thinking how we can feel the difference of a
    one-thousandth of an inch difference between string sizes so playing it again was
    just a trip...thinking of all the hours I spent with it and records I ruined trying to learn
    parts...feeling that neck again from so many (50) years ago. 
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    Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/05 14:18:21 (permalink)
    Excuse me
     
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    Re: More guitar making stuff... 2014/06/06 12:26:37 (permalink)
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    Excuse me
     
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    LOL...
     
    Well that was fun. Got my first bolt-on neck profiled. Lots of file and lots of sandpaper- down to 320...but I'll go much smaller.
    I know some of the pics are blurred but trying to shoot the profile seemed silly but what
    is in the shots is shadows. I use them to tell me how it really is. Light and shadows tell me stuff
    that feeling just won't find.
    Now I can decide on what frets while waiting for the tuners so I can finish sizing the holes.
    Hope you enjoy the ride.
     
    Oh...I noticed the template and remembered that I had mentioned making some and would post more when and if I got them completed. Well I'm home alone for a few days, have time to do as I want so things did go good so I'll  take some photos and post them here.
     
     
     

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