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RE: NUENDO SONAR REALY DISAPPOINTED
2004/07/11 13:49:09
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OK then - I call last post ! 
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RE: NUENDO SONAR REALY DISAPPOINTED
2004/07/11 14:01:39
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Shea -
Once again, this post is an attempt to help you, so please read carefully and try to understand before you take offense. Again, you have asked a question. This time, it is "How does one get through to you guys."
Clearly, one gets through to most of the people reading this thread by providing specific information that they can easily compare and digest. Clearly, one does not get through to most people reading this thread by posting what seem to be subjective opinions without backing those opinions up with data.
We have all seen that you really do not like the demand for "scientific" evidence. That's fine. Maybe you're a very creative person, and maybe focusing on "scientific" information clouds your creativity. There's nothing wrong with that. But you made a choice, when you posted your first message about an "audio engine" on a user forum, to enter the realm of the scientific. If you really want to know how to get through to people here, you've already seen your answer. Don't add fuel to the fire by posting further messages purely out of frustration.
As for your statement that you are now dealing directly with Cakewalk, that's great. I'm glad to see that your frustration with this forum hasn't hampered your enthusiasm for solving your problem. But it would be selfish and irresponsible of you to abandon the thread that you started without at least posting the outcome. You have implied, in your last post, that you know specifically what the problem is, and that you are now working with Cakewalk to solve it. Please do us all the courtesy of keeping us informed. If you maintain a professional tone in any new posts, and if you refrain from antagonistic comments, I think you'll find that people will listen better.
Just my $.02 worth.
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RE: NUENDO SONAR REALY DISAPPOINTED
2004/07/11 14:13:31
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cause I know whats wrong anyway Of course . you knew what's wrong all the time . that's the reason you posted this - to INFORM us ! Thanks ! "Great" info , i'm so happy that you "know whats wrong anyway" , thank you for "sharing" with us ! ..whats wrong with YOU anyways ? clown .. 
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RE: NUENDO SONAR REALY DISAPPOINTED
2004/07/11 15:09:56
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Other wise I don’t give a damn cause I know whats wrong anyway. O.K. Whats wrong ?
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Cass Anawaty
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RE: NUENDO SONAR REALY DISAPPOINTED
2004/07/11 15:26:29
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Hey,
If it can't be said in 10 pages.......
CAA
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RE: NUENDO SONAR REALY DISAPPOINTED
2004/07/11 17:06:53
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Then it might take 20? ;)
cAPS - doing my part!
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RE: NUENDO SONAR REALY DISAPPOINTED
2004/07/11 17:19:51
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Where are all the well known pros on this forum who havnt replyed. Well, I can see that this was clearly a major waste of mine and everyone else's time. Try to help some people... Btw, several of them did reply, including two Cakewalk representatives. Other wise I don’t give a damn cause I know whats wrong anyway. If you have any respect for some of us here or integrity, then you'll share you're findings with the rest of us who took time out of our schedules to read through your thread and attempt to help you. It's the least you could do. Now, onto other things...
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RE: NUENDO SONAR REALY DISAPPOINTED
2004/07/11 18:34:25
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shea, you seem very easily distracted, as do a lot of other posters, but if you just take a moment and remember why you started this thread and then remember all the poeple you have affected by it you might just calm down a bit and refocus your energies toward the poeple who are genuinely interested in the dilemma as you presented it.
You do not have to take every cheap shot personally. You do not have to retreat everytime some says something you take as an attack.
I only ask one thing, no other posts, just find it within your self to let us know what the specific problem is and how you and Cakewalk managed to address it.
Then we can end this thread with the many thanks due you and your efforts.
Humbly Yours Larry Sonar X2 x64 MAudio 2496 Yamaha MG 12/4 Roland XV-88 Intel MB with Q6600 and 4 GB Ram NVidia 9800 GTX Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
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RE: NUENDO SONAR REALY DISAPPOINTED
2004/07/12 03:51:43
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ORIGINAL: Cass Anawaty
Hey,
If it can't be said in 10 pages.......
CAA
personally this whole discussion could have ended on page 2 or 3 when it was obvious that shea was just throwing out his observations with no intention of serious followup. But what the f%#k, Im an inquiring mind, and I will probably get as far as page 11 
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planist
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RE: NUENDO SONAR REALY DISAPPOINTED
2004/07/12 05:14:36
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I really WONDER why RON is so active in THIS THREAD??
- shea is obviously not the man for web-based discussions that imply proof. its weird that all the 10 pages dont contain any data, specs, or anything except from RONs analysis.
There are soo many other much more interesting threads (eg. Sample Acurate Recording, Sonar4, LIVE 4, Sequencers like Tracktion, Podium, ...-)
lets wait until Ron posts his results...
Regards, Jeff M.
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RE: NUENDO SONAR REALY DISAPPOINTED
2004/07/12 09:08:22
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Cakewalk has got the files by now so if they want to contact me direct ,they have my details , I will work with them direct .Other wise I don’t give a damn cause I know whats wrong anyway.This thread should stop now and I will sort it out myself with cakewalk. I've contacted 'shea' privately. We'll get to the bottom of it and report back our findings.
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Master Chief [Cakewalk]
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RE: NUENDO SONAR REALY DISAPPOINTED
2004/07/12 09:10:36
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I really WONDER why RON is so active in THIS THREAD?? Because this isn't the first time the issue of audio engine sound quality has come up. My intent is to do some real research into this and post some real files for people to compare. There's been too much speculation and too little fact in this discussion.
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RE: NUENDO SONAR REALY DISAPPOINTED
2004/07/12 09:28:09
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Well I hope you look at krystal as well.
*grin*
;)
Kind regards
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Stich
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RE: NUENDO SONAR REALY DISAPPOINTED
2004/07/12 12:35:23
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ORIGINAL: SteveD
Do you have both Nuendo and Sonar?
Have you set the panning law in Nuendo to match the one in Sonar and compared the same project using the raw dry tracks in a double blind test?
Why can't we just set the panning law in Sonar to match Nuendo? Isn't this the only issue? Stich
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SteveD
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RE: NUENDO SONAR REALY DISAPPOINTED
2004/07/12 13:02:12
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ORIGINAL: Stich
ORIGINAL: SteveD
Do you have both Nuendo and Sonar?
Have you set the panning law in Nuendo to match the one in Sonar and compared the same project using the raw dry tracks in a double blind test?
Why can't we just set the panning law in Sonar to match Nuendo?
Isn't this the only issue?
Stich
Sonar does not have an adjustable panning law. Nuendo does.
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RE: NUENDO SONAR REALY DISAPPOINTED
2004/07/12 13:06:54
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ORIGINAL: daverich
Well I hope you look at krystal as well.
*grin*
;)
Kind regards
Dave Rich.
Would you be making reference again to those hoof-less "stink-burgers" pray tell?
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RE: NUENDO SONAR REALY DISAPPOINTED
2004/07/12 13:13:22
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Koolbass - Krystal is a free DAW program - I'm just being silly really ;)
Kind regards
Dave Rich.
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RE: NUENDO SONAR REALY DISAPPOINTED
2004/07/12 13:25:01
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Dave, I figured there must be something like that ... I was really hoping we hadn't started exporting Krystal burgers. We really need to be good to our international friends, and Krystal burgers would definitely send the wrong message. (I'm still embarrassed about McDonald's going international ... but that's just me.) <g> (But I must admit, as much as I don't care for McDonald's burgers, they're at least 20% to 40% better than Krystal burgers)
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Stich
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RE: NUENDO SONAR REALY DISAPPOINTED
2004/07/12 13:51:07
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ORIGINAL: Stich
Why can't we just set the panning law in Sonar to match Nuendo?
Isn't this the only issue?
Sonar does not have an adjustable panning law. Nuendo does.
Bingo! There we go! This can be fixed for Sonar 4 right? Stich
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SteveD
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RE: NUENDO SONAR REALY DISAPPOINTED
2004/07/12 16:19:15
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ORIGINAL: Stich
ORIGINAL: Stich
Why can't we just set the panning law in Sonar to match Nuendo?
Isn't this the only issue?
Sonar does not have an adjustable panning law. Nuendo does.
Bingo! There we go! This can be fixed for Sonar 4 right?
Stich
I'm sure it can be implemented, but I'm not sure this is what we want so I wouldn't call it a fix. They're complaining about the panning law on the Nuendo forum, and nobody is complaining about it here on the Sonar forum. Cakewalk seems to have picked a panning standard most are quite happy with. I would hope that if it is introduced in S4 that it be a project parameter and not a global parameter. Otherwise, mixes will sound different on different installations of Sonar if we forget to set the panning law before opening or importing the project. Do we really need this? Does anyone else have a desire to adjust the panning law in Sonar?
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RE: NUENDO SONAR REALY DISAPPOINTED
2004/07/12 16:48:41
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Steve, I think you are exactly right when you say that Cakewalk has chosen wisely with SONAR's fixed pan law. Why would I need this to be a variable? I can't come up with one good reason for it. It's easier to work within the confines of the fixed pan law anyway. Personally, I don't want to have to think to that low of a level when I'm trying to be creative.
Thanks,
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RE: NUENDO SONAR REALY DISAPPOINTED
2004/07/12 17:07:10
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ORIGINAL: SteveD
Do we really need this?
Maybe we do. Perhaps in the future when a similar question is posted about Sonor 4, one can reply "just set the pan law to +x db and it'll sound just like Nuendo" and save us from 10 pages of discussion<g>.
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RE: NUENDO SONAR REALY DISAPPOINTED
2004/07/12 17:15:15
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Maybe we do. Perhaps in the future when a similar question is posted about Sonor 4, one can reply "just set the pan law to +x db and it'll sound just like Nuendo" and save us from 10 pages of discussion<g>.
Or, if this thread ever turns out to serve a useful purpose, we'll have the comparison between those .wav files (or preferably projects), so that maybe we can 1) settle once and for all if it really is the pan law (it probably is) and 2) if so, how Nuendo users can set theirs. Or, as Andrew Milne made clear a few posts/pages back, how to turn up all the center-panned stuff to make it sound like "certain Nuendo users" like it.
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RE: NUENDO SONAR REALY DISAPPOINTED
2004/07/12 18:36:55
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I could be wrong but i don think its anything to do with panning laws ,not what i discovered.
I got a very wellmanered email from ron to day also very understanding
I dont think we should be predicting the outcome im not.
give him a chance cause it lookes like we are getting somewhere now.
shea
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RE: NUENDO SONAR REALY DISAPPOINTED
2004/07/12 18:41:27
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it lookes like we are getting somewhere now.  ... can't wait .. 
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RE: NUENDO SONAR REALY DISAPPOINTED
2004/07/12 18:56:48
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Lordy, lordy, I hope so.
Has anyone here seen "Airplane"?
-Susan
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RE: NUENDO SONAR REALY DISAPPOINTED
2004/07/12 19:11:34
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Lordy, lordy, I hope so.
Has anyone here seen "Airplane"?
-Susan
Roger, Roger!
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RE: NUENDO SONAR REALY DISAPPOINTED
2004/07/12 19:13:50
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Lordy, lordy, I hope so.
Has anyone here seen "Airplane"?
-Susan
Roger, Roger!
What's our vector, Victor?
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RE: NUENDO SONAR REALY DISAPPOINTED
2004/07/12 19:41:55
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ORIGINAL: gdugan
ORIGINAL: torhan
ORIGINAL: Susan G
Lordy, lordy, I hope so.
Has anyone here seen "Airplane"?
-Susan
Roger, Roger!
What's our vector, Victor?
... and don't call me Shirley.
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RE: NUENDO SONAR REALY DISAPPOINTED
2004/07/12 19:46:15
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If this thread goes on much longer, I'll have to go to the Mayo clinic.
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