Alndln summarises the whole thing well.

What I still can't understand, after reading pages and pages of this for the first time today is..... why Shea started this post in this forum if not prepared to share his evidence? Why didn't he just contact Cakewalk directly? What's the point in joining a forum if you're not going to back up your claims? If you want to convince your peers, you need to be pretty sure you can substantiate your claims.

I can't wait to download the 'Make Sonar Sound Like Nuendo' plug-in....as soon as we get those files out of Shea....no moral high ground here....

Lofty

Come on everybody
do we all agree that shea is right about one thing
Sonars engine needs attention right now

One more thing if you all think sonar is as good as neundo your living in dreamland
One thing i will say about shea at least he had the guts to stand up to cakewalk and make a valid observation
As for you people most of you except for a few you are all a bunch of dicks.
Be constructive and help the man out when he is 111% right


sesi

As for you people most of you except for a few you are all a bunch of dicks.

???

please explain this

empirical proof

lets meet and we all get to know each other, then - at least - we have the emirical analisis completed <g>

I know you're time for these little experiments is limited, but it would be interesting to see if a digital capture (via spdif, AES, etc) nulls fully with the original file on the HD. It would be easy enough to do with one wav file.

I can do that experiment too. I am sure that it will null out, if only because our engine has optimizations in it to bypass any unneeded gain stages if the gain is set to 0dB. So the only processing in this case would be conversion from int to float, then right back from float to int.

ORIGINAL: Sesi

Come on everybody
do we all agree that shea is right about one thing
Sonars engine needs attention right now

One more thing if you all think sonar is as good as neundo your living in dreamland
One thing i will say about shea at least he had the guts to stand up to cakewalk and make a valid observation
As for you people most of you except for a few you are all a bunch of dicks.
Be constructive and help the man out when he is 111% right


sesi

I see this is your first post here.

Do you have both Nuendo and Sonar?

Have you set the panning law in Nuendo to match the one in Sonar and compared the same project using the raw dry tracks in a double blind test?

All I have said is I have both, and they sound the same to me. Nuendo has things Sonar does not... like 5.1 surround (S4 anyone?), and video/film post production capability. But to my ears, the difference is not in how they sound.

Both are great apps, so I use the one that I'm most comfortable with. I use the one that has the best integration of Audio and MIDI sequencing in a single application.

For me, that happens to be Sonar.

I see this is your first post here.

And just happened to join today too.... first post to find this one (and read it all)... all too conveinient me thinks.

this thread is amazing. here's my summary.

1. shea asks for help, offereing impressions rather than descriptions
2. people respond asking for data
3. shea accuses others of insulting him because they didn't instantly agree, and even dared to ask questions in the interest of clarity
4. people try to explain to shea what's going on
5. people ask again for data, explaining that they need the data in order to re-create what shea observed
6. shea ignores all sensible replies, moves back to step one

shea does not demonstrate the maturity of someone who has been in the industry for 30 years. even if he'd started at age ten, that would make him 40 years old. a 40 year old could read a reply and see the content of that message without perceiving insults where none were intended by the author. shea doesn't understand anything anyone's said other than assuming it all translates to, "you are wrong, shea. sonar is t3h rulez!" just imagine the amount of gear you would use or have contact with over a 30 year period. i find it difficult to believe that someone who has been in the business of music for 30 years would never have had the experience of finding something better than another piece of equipment that cost less. after all, that engineer would be using his ears, not the price, to determine the quality. perhaps people are seduced by marketing from time to time, but consistently for 30 years? i can't swallow that.

it almost seems like shea won't be happy unless everyone here, including the cakewalk folks kind enough to devote time to the thread, says, "shea you are comletely right. sonar is not really that good of a program. if you want your music to sound really good, you should buy nuendo instead." that's not going to happen. it's completely reasonable to respond to shea with, "i've seen different results than what you claim, but i'm interested in learning exactly what you found out. send me the evidence so i can see what you're basing your opinions on. i want sonar to be as good as it can, because i want sonar to be a quality product that people want to buy." that's pretty much what ron said.

i would be surprised if i found out that shea is a legal majority. if he is an adult, this thread is most likely all a troll. it's possible this has been a troll even if he is the teenager i suspect he is. the only thing that would change my mind is shea sending output files to cakewalk for analysis.

Hi again
I think we should all calm down, perhaps were all dickheads at this stage.
Im sending ron the two files with all the info, so hopefully he will get them this time.

As for sezi, she if she s a lady, who knows she might be beautiful.



shea

ORIGINAL: shea

Hi again
I think we should all calm down, perhaps were all dickheads at this stage.
Im sending ron the two files with all the info, so hopefully he will get them this time.

shea

excellent shea, (I won't edit my above post though it was actually posted after yours) and I am really curious what you find out.

Thank you for your effort and please keep us posted!!

The suspense is killing me!

Will shea's email make it past the spam filter?
Will the comparison work? What will Ron discover?
Is there really a difference? Is it the pan law? A tape saturation effect? Or something else?
Or are the engines truly identical?
And finally... will this thread ever end!?!?

Tune in to find out!!!

ORIGINAL: PenguiN42

The suspense is killing me!

Will shea's email make it past the spam filter?
Will the comparison work? What will Ron discover?
Is there really a difference? Is it the pan law? A tape saturation effect? Or something else?
Or are the engines truly identical?
And finally... will this thread ever end!?!?

Tune in to find out!!!

Too Funny!

Thank you Shea for following up.

ORIGINAL: PenguiN42
Will shea's email make it past the spam filter?
Will the comparison work? What will Ron discover?
Is there really a difference? Is it the pan law? A tape saturation effect? Or something else?
Or are the engines truly identical?
And finally... will this thread ever end!?!?

Who will be the first to discover that Sesi is Shea recorded in Sonar instead of Neundo... wait, I mean Menudo... er, Noendto[thisthreadisinsight]? NUENDO! There.

And that will be my last contribution to the Killer Thread from Heck (ruled by Phil, Prince of Insufficient Light) -- unless and until credible evidence is produced. Then I'll be interested for real. :-)

Meffy

Hi shea-

As for sezi, she if she s a lady, who knows she might be beautiful.

Huh? I've tried to make sense of your response to sezi, but please help me out.

Thanks-

-Susan

ORIGINAL: pharohoknaughty

I have no problem with the Sonar audio engine's sound.

I just wish it never failed (ie stops working).

I bought a dual 3.2 Xeon in order to have a really good platform that would not be stressed, but I still get problems. Even when the percentage CPU use is small.

It is embarassing that it stops when I am tracking somebody. Many musicians just don't understand technical problems.

I wonder how reliable Nuendo's audio engine is.

By the way, I know that Sonar gets better all the time, and that none of the competitors are bullet proof.

If you've read through this thread... you must know that none of us would stand for that from any audio application. You have a problem... yes, but I suggest you start another thread and post the specs of your system and configuration. You WILL get help. All registered users are entitled to excellent technical support from Cakewalk. Give them a call.

All of the regulars here would never tolerate what you are going through. If it were the application software... We'd be using Nuendo!

My system is rock solid with Sonar.