Hi brandon
This is not my quote



shea

I couldn't keep track...bouncing between forums....my mind is going.

ORIGINAL: shea

Hi brandon
This is not my quote



shea

One more thank you to Ron and shea. I have a good feeling about how much time and energy that those two put into this thread and I am glad it was them and not me.

Unlike some of us who can't seem to stay off a dog pile when they sense a poster is vulnerable, I have found the technical stuff fascinating, the contributions enlightening and the petty ****, tiring.

I have learned that there could be an audible difference between Nuendo and Sonar but it may be more technical and settings related than audio engine related.

I have learned that there is such a thing called a pan law.

I have learned that Ron and Cakewalk exceed all expectations of a software company.

I have also learned that if you don't post a perfect post with perfect grammer amd speeling or if you to leave yourself vulnerable to the entrenched majority you will get reemed by the petty and vindictive - hmm reminds me of something.

I have to unsubscribe from this thread so I can get to some other e-mails so thanks for ALL that I have learned and another thanks to shea and Ron.

EDIT: Sick of this subject too.

ORIGINAL: shea

Are we saying now were in the same league as PT? Come on guys wise up
Shea

This is the end result of reading too many magazines and worshipping paid endorsements.Warning for children : This too can happen to you!

ORIGINAL: SteveD

I'm satisfied.

Now... how can we go about getting Sonar listed on this document?

"page 13 under Digital Audio Workstation (DAW) and page 19 under Glossary of Recording Technologies by this time next year:

The Grammy P&E Wing of The Recording Academy® formed a Delivery Specifications Committee, which has created The Delivery Recommendations for Master Recordings document."

Steve -

I took a look at that link. Very interesting. SONAR really should be listed among the other DAW software packages. Unfortunately, when I looked at the list of names on the panel, I found that I don't know any of them personally, otherwise it would be really easy to apply some pressure. But I am a NARAS member, with access to people who might know how to approach the panel. I'll see what I can find out.

In the meantime, it might be as simple as someone from Cakewalk submitting info to the panel. Any thoughts from Ron or Greg or anyone else in the know?

Hey Humble, what you say does give me pause. A lot of us probably went too far (I'll speak for myself). Even if he was asking for it, we shouldn't have bitten. So shea, if you were hurt, I'm sorry.

Actually, despite all your bluster, you did step up to the plate and provide the goods that Ron needed. For that, I thank you. Also sorry if it didn't turn out to your liking. Keep at it, keep learning, and you will benefit from it in the long run. Blessings...

Blessings...

don't ya just love that? Makes you feel good all over.

Shea got what he deserved for his entire approach to this thread, beginning with the all caps title.

Look at this, will you:

--He didn't provide data to support his claim until he got a lot of razzing, and then only to Ron, and then his 1st attempts were MP3s!

--He won't give us a link to his website that is "heavily involved in the sale of music", or provide us with anything else to demonstrate that he is a professional engineer who knows what he is talking about

--Dissmisses out of hand tons of testing that has already been done

--He suggests that Ron Kuper is telling him things that are different than than what Ron is telling us, while again declining to provide evidence

The guy is a FIRST CLASS TROLL. He's managed to get us to 14 pages when this entire discussion could have been politely done in one page. He brought up a topic and then deliberately mishandled it so badly I can think nothing but that he wanted to incite an on-line riot.

If it looks like a troll, acts like a troll, walks like a troll, folks, it's a troll.

Shea, I don't care if you're offended by this post, as I'm offended by your behavior. Just calling it as I see it.

Ken

Hi all
I actually enjoyed this thread .i certainly drew all the dirt, i mean some of you ,but not all, who are like a bunch of ould women always apoligising to cake for buying a product, paying good money for it, and does not do what it says on the tin.

On this forum it seems to me that if you voice an opinion, you have to prove
your worth before before the ould women take you for real. Is this to make up for their own lack of it.
This forum should be vetted and only pros should partake then this issue would have been solved in one page.
Yes your right i didnt get what i wanted but i still have the last laugh in so far
as i beleive there are still a lot of questions to be answered, and a code
rewritten, or big time modified.
As for the on-line riot ,,, it should be online joke.
As for 14 pages ,,, it should be 15 and counting.
As for the troll,,,, how about this for a joke an a laugh

A yankee on holidays looks up to the sky, sees a big 747 and says to Paddy,
How would you like to be up in that big bird?
Paddy replys, well"" i certainly wouldnt like to be up there with out One.
Wise guy.

shea

Shea is RIGHT, Yes this is a Cakewalk forum. I have been a very long
time Cakewalk user myself. I also own most of the other programs. Shea is not
putting Cakewalk down he is just stating the facts. It's true, I've tested
all of the programs. I own high end converters and the works. There is a
very big difference. It's a hard pill to swallow because the folks that
are on these forums are bias to the forum based products. People tend
to justify rather than accept the truth. I just purchased Sonar 3 and I own
Neundo 2. Is this the place to state that Nuendo sounds better? maybe not
because this is a cakewalk forum and the loyal Cakewalk users do not
want to by into a product being better than Cakewalk. Now Shea on behalf
of the forum, Cakewalk has been the premier Midi Engine of the PC for years.
Nuendo's main focus is AUDIO. There are programs that perform
functions better that other programs. This does not make one better that the other. People are very happy with Cakewalk, if Neundo does sound better
OK but, the Cakewalk users on this forum are not going to run out and purchase
Nuendo. I don't plan on getting into a war with anyone on this site about this
issue. I had to respond on behalf of Shea, and I also responded on behalf of
the loyal Cakewalk community. I have a converter in my set up that sounds
better than my Apogee Rosetta but, If I went over to the Apogee forum with
that message your get my drift........................................................

Regards,

MikeD.

I am major pro audio for it with 20-40 years experence pro audio for U2 and madona and glen gold and they all say that tascam portastudio is 14%-48% better than sonor and nintendo. sorry if the truth hurts but its real and i proved it to ron kuper but he won't tell it and I cant post it here because i sell so much pro recording from my house. All your scientific are belong to us for my ears are what are telling the truth. even all the pros who never post before are agree. all you just hate to have cakewalk fo the best and you just want to be ould women and also your not kno what you talking about. hey i tri to help but you're to late you already all no that whemn i put my speakers on my tascam it sound way beter than sonor.

Im sorry, but I just had to laugh. First shea gets sesi, his mom, to post, and now we hear from his dad, maudio. Can uncle oregano be far behind

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I am major pro audio for it with 20-40 years experence pro audio for U2 and madona and glen gold and they all say that tascam portastudio is 14%-48% better than sonor and nintendo. sorry if the truth hurts but its real and i proved it to ron kuper but he won't tell it and I cant post it here because i sell so much pro recording from my house. All your scientific are belong to us for my ears are what are telling the truth. even all the pros who never post before are agree. all you just hate to have cakewalk fo the best and you just want to be ould women and also your not kno what you talking about. hey i tri to help but you're to late you already all no that whemn i put my speakers on my tascam it sound way beter than sonor.

LMFAO!!!!!

ORIGINAL: koolbass

[ What i want to know is, what-in-the-heck is an "ould" woman? (He called us all "ould" women, but I'm not a woman at all. Certainly not an "ould" one, whatever that might be?!!)

I've got an inkling that Shea is Irish- I am too.
"Ould" is the way we Irish say "old" when we are putting on a brogue in our accent, or taking the mick out of ourselves.
"There was an Ould woman, who lived in the woods, Weela, weela, wallia" (from an Irish folk song about a baby murderer)

When we call someone an Ould one (or as we say in Wexford an "oul' wan" we don't mean that as a serious insult. We use it as you yanks would call someone a big baby, a "pussy" or something like that. It's not supposed to be the worse thing in the world.


C'mon guys- lets not get personal about peoples accents and nationality, Or peoples spelling habits-after all most people here spell programme "program" or colour "color".




As well- lets really take a look at what Shea was saying.
How many times has he got to say that he is a loyal Cakewalk user and customer?

He had an issue that was pointed out to him by customers, and he shared it here to try to throw some light on it, and understand what happened.

Enlighten me on this point please- we (or rather Ron and others) have done some tests and proven that there is no difference inthe audio engines.
It's something to do with pan law.

Now- If you adjust Steinberg's pan law to match Sonar's pan law they are the same.

Does that mean if you don't adjust Nuendos pan law to match Sonars then Nuendo sounds better?

And if that's the case shouldn't we be looking at that issue, and not trying to adjust another apps pan law to "match down" to us?

That's like having a U87 and a Behringer B1, and trying to make the Neumann sound like the Behringer, rather than the other way around.

Personally, I've never used Steinberg -it's not for me. I've been using cakewalk for my midi needs since version 3.0, when it was just a midi app.


Seems to me that people want their respective app (Sonar, Nuendo,ProTools) to do everything for them by just pressing a button, and not have to do any work to get a good sound. Like buying a TC Finalizer and expecting to have their songs mastered just by running it through (not thru ) it.

As others have said- this debate has got a bit silly, and also more than a bit personal.
People switching apps just because one sounds a bit louder? tosh.

People use my studios not because of the gear I use (which is good), but because of me, and my skills. Of course I've had people ringing up and asking do I use Tools etc- I simply say "lads-go and listen to the results in your record store or radio station, or ask for endorsement from previous clients". How I get those results is my business, and is what they pay me for. Any idiot with a few $$$ can go and buy Protools or whatever- it's what you can do with what you have that makes the difference. Give them Protools etc and me what I have and judge the results on the finished CD.

Sorry for the mini-rant- I just think this thread is getting a bit mad.