It's an entirely different kind of thread.

Its an entirely different kind of thread...

<shaking head and laughing>

ORIGINAL: joetabby

It took a lot of self control for me not to say something inane in this space.

"Something inane."
--Bill O'C

Sorry about getting into your space.

ORIGINAL: joetabby
It took a lot of self control for me not to say something inane in this space.

Eyes closed, hands over ears, fetal position, rocking back and forth, saying, "Happy place, happy place, happy place..."

There is no try... only do. -yoda

addendum - try not to step in any.

Excuse me, sir. I speak jive.

" and now for something completely different"

This thread has gotten completely out of control....

and I picked the wrong day to give up sniffing glue!

I too use this response every time I come to read this thread. It feels good to yell "No see comboosah" as I run from my computer. I don't know what it means but I would encourage all of you to try it at least once. Please make sure there is nothing in your path before you try it as I wouldn't want any of you to be injured by tripping over a cord or something.

Buck Murdock: Oh, cut the bleeding heart crap, will ya? We've all got our switches, lights, and knobs to deal with, Striker. I mean, down here there are literally hundreds and thousands of blinking, beeping, and flashing lights, blinking and beeping and flashing - they're *flashing* and they're *beeping*. I can't stand it anymore! They're *blinking* and *beeping* and *flashing*! Why doesn't somebody pull the plug!

Wow, I had to take a day off to read this whole thing, I am truly intrigued. Like our friend shea, I may not have the kinda information you may be looking for to support this claim, but I also hear a difference between Sonar and Cubase. To sum it up, Cubase sounds punchier, fuller, and more spacious. That may be because of the "panning law", I don't know, that stuff is over my head. I'll check to see if I can adjust that in Cubase, right now, I don't know. But my main goal is not to make Cubase sound like Sonar, but make Sonar sound like Cubase.
In my situation, I'll build a song in Sonar, bounce it to a stereo file, with no effects on the master bus. I'll open a Mastering project in Cubase, add a little compression, and that's the file I'll convert to an MP3. All I do is creat little rock guitar jams and share them with guys on other forums, So quality is not a big thing in my arena, but I like the way Cubase adds something to the sound. Although, I find it hard to believe it is because of the panning law, when I don't do any estra panning when I "Master" in Cubase.

Hi Thunder,
When do you hear the difference-before or after you add effects? If you play the stereo mixdown in a new file in Sonar and play the mixdown in a new file in cubase/nuendo is there a difference then?-I mean a noticible difference, with no processing and effects etc.
If the answer to this is yes- I can hear a difference-
Can you do a little test for us?
Could you save the stereo bounce wavefile to your desktop. Then import that file into Sonar. Open Cubase and import the same file into Cubase/Nuendo.
Then export the sonar file an name it sonar and do the same with cubase and name it cubase.
If you have the software you should be able to compare those 2 files then to see if there is any difference.

My thinking is this- and this goes for the whole thread-
Perhaps it does sound different when playing the files back within the different software environments.

It seems the the files are nulling out, meaning that they are identical, but some people are saying they can hear a difference when playing them within Nuendo and Sonar.
What really matters is -Do the resultant mixdowns sound any different when both mixdowns are played on another, 3rd app- like real player, WMP or wavelab or something., if the same processing was done with the same plug-ins etc.

Sounds do-able, but to clarify my statement, The resulting file sounds better on WMP, I'm not comparing how they sound in the respective Sequencer. For that Matter, the difference is more pronounced in WMP, than it is in Real Audio Player.
Like I said, whatever Cubase is adding, I like what I am hearing. that final sound, and the ability to arm/unarm tracks for recording while the audio is still running are the only things I really like about Cubase. I'll take Sonars stability, work flow, and basic paradigm any day.

When we say nulling out we are referring to the same file in both sonar and nuendo, and then being mixed down and brought into a file comparer, cancelling each other out, when one has been thrown 180 degrees out of phase. This means (with total cancellation) that both files are exactly the same, or else you'd hear a little "something".
The fact that they would do that intimates that the resultant wave file that you'll be sending to the mastering house is exactly the same whether from Nuendo or Sonar.
The fact that one sounds better in a host is what I'm wondering about, and is something that can be tested, as Ron and others are doing.

That's right Carlos,
What I would like is if both Cubase/Nuendo and Sonar were left at their respective defaults.
What I'd like to happen then is for both apps to import the same stereo wave file of a mix. I'd like to hear if someone hears a difference in the mixes- does one sound more punchy etc.
Then I'd like the wavefiles to be exported/mixed down, with neither app doing any processing at all, apart from the mix down.

If both mixes null then, by file comparing or by phase reversal, then it's a problem that shouldn't worry us- it's just that Nuendo is doing something to make the file sound good only within th application.