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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/06/12 14:48:35 (permalink)
I am planning on a major upgrade. The last thing I have to decide is Athlon 64 3200+ or 3400+. From Scott's test they seem fairly close, yet there are $170 difference in price. I am hoping to do the upgrade in 2 months. The worst part of it is that my problem is the graphics perfomrance more than CPU performance. I have yet to hit the limits of my machine... I know the graphics speed issues are due to the CPU not keeping up. I just went from a G450 (32mb) dual head to an ATI Radeo 9600SE (128mb) dual head and on the Sonar Test I got an improvement of ~5%. The projects with graohics slugginesh did not improve by much if any... Oh well...

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RE: New, Updated &lt;span class="high"&gt;Sonar&lt;/span&gt;Test 2004/06/13 00:16:27 (permalink)
Can't get the test link to work
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/06/13 09:44:00 (permalink)
Anyone tried to the K8NSPro mobo rather than the K8N Pro?

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RE: New, Updated &lt;span class="high"&gt;Sonar&lt;/span&gt;Test 2004/06/13 09:55:31 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: radonato

Can't get the test link to work

Did you click on the Sonar3Test Link?

If so, does it present a dialog box that offers to Open - Save - Cancel, etc?

If not, what do you get?

If so, you have to choose Save and save the Zip file to your H/D and then open it into Sonar 3 - This is Important - the file is designed for 3 only.

Let us know how it works out.

 
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/06/13 17:48:10 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: tazman

The worst part of it is that my problem is the graphics perfomrance more than CPU performance. I have yet to hit the limits of my machine... I know the graphics speed issues are due to the CPU not keeping up. I just went from a G450 (32mb) dual head to an ATI Radeo 9600SE (128mb) dual head and on the Sonar Test I got an improvement of ~5%. The projects with graohics slugginesh did not improve by much if any... Oh well...

Cheers,


There are plenty of users here using the G450 (or similar 32MB card) who are not experiencing any major problems. Have you seen the thread about the Powerstrip utility? Worth looking into if you're having video-related problems.

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/06/15 00:55:10 (permalink)
Just to let you know I have a Q10 and have to do the same process after chaniging latency settings. I have to shutdown Sonar after resetting and then open it up again in order to get the updated CPU readings. Anyone know why? Just peculiar to the Q10's? The readings I'm getting seem ok starting at 25% usage at 46ms. down to 64% at 2.9ms on a P4 3ghz. All other reading are similar to mrh.

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/06/17 00:04:27 (permalink)
Here are the results from my new LiquidDAW box.

Specs are:

Athlon64 3200+
MSI nForce3 250 motherboard
1GB Corsair PC3200 DDR (2x512MB)
ATI Radeon 64MB DH AGP video
WD 80GB 7200RPM 8MB ATA100 system drive
WD 120GB 7200rpm 8MB SATA150 audio drive
RME Multiface

46.4 ms - 27%
23.2 ms - 30%
11.6 ms - 33%
5.8 ms - 38%
2.9 ms - bounces between 47% and 51%
1.5 ms - bounces between 68% and 75%

Scott, I haven't had a chance to do much music-wise yet, as I'm still copying over files and reloading plugs and such but results so far look GREAT! She's quiet as a spring breeze, too!

Thanks!
Mike
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/06/17 02:01:56 (permalink)
Hey Mike / Zendin

Which brand and specific model motherboard is being used in your new nForce 3-250 DAW ?

Ta,
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/06/17 07:54:25 (permalink)
I just built my new machine AMD64 3200+ and I get about the same performance. Cool!!!

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ORIGINAL: Paul

Finally got the new system running so here's

AMD64 3200+
Gigabyte GA-K8NNXP
1 gig corsair 3200LLPRO
3 Maxtor 7200 drives
Matrox G450 dual head
MOTU 828MKII

23.2--30%
17.4--32%
11.6--34%
8.7--36%
5.8--41%
4.4--44%
2.9--51%
2.2--57%

The old system

T-Bird 1.4
Iwill KK266+
512 kingston ram
Everything else the same

23.2--64%
17.4--69%
11.6--76%
8.7--83%
5.8--xxx

So all in all I'm satisfied so far with the new system except for a problem I'll post new.

Paul
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/06/17 10:49:06 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: timboe

Hey Mike / Zendin

Which brand and specific model motherboard is being used in your new nForce 3-250 DAW ?

Ta,
Timboe


I think it's the NEO Platinum K8N - is that what you're looking for?
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/06/17 12:56:30 (permalink)
The gigabyte K8nSPro
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/06/17 13:59:36 (permalink)
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Hey Mike / Zendin

Which brand and specific model motherboard is being used in your new nForce 3-250 DAW ?

Ta,
Timboe

I was looking for the K8NS Pro mobo several weeks ago and was unable to find it in stock anywhere. The only mobo with the nforce3 250 chipset that I could find at the time was the chaintech Zenith. It was getting great reviews, I got it, and it's great. No problems and excellent low-latency performance.

I've also heard nothing but good things about the gigabyte one. This chipset seems to be a good pick.

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/06/17 15:22:35 (permalink)
Never Mind
< Message edited by Johnny -- 6/17/2004 3:24:18 PM >
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/06/17 15:27:32 (permalink)
I'm liking the MSI board a lot because it's the only one that fully utilizes the nForce 250's integrated SATA controller. The Gigabyte board gives you two channels nForce and two channels using a 3rd party PCI-based controller (why?). The MSI board has four nForce channels (off the PCI bus). The other nice thing about keeping it all consistent like this is that with the nForce3 you can create RAID arrays using any combination of drives... whether they or PATA or SATA.

-S
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/06/17 17:43:17 (permalink)
I know this is a lot to ask, but I'm not only evaluating a new system (and I'm thinking of dual Opteron 242's), I'm also evaluating Sonar Producer 3.0 (I already own Home Studio 2004 XL).

I downloaded the Sonar Producer 3.0 demo, but I lack some of the effects (I DO have the Dreamstation and Triangle). Maybe there's a way I can get the effects and I'm just not looking in the right place.

Regardless, could one of you kind folks possibly create another stress .cwp file that doesn't refer to things that the Sonar demo doesn't have? That way I can see how several systems I have access to will do against the demo version of Sonar which will not only let me assess the system performance but also whether I want to shell out the $350 for Sonar Producer.

If it's too hard to do and/or configure due to limitations in the Sonar demo, then please ignore. If is IS doable, then I would happily report back to you as to how it did with the demo version of Sonar and maybe this would help others out there who are in my similar position.

Also, does anyone know whether Home Studio 2004 can make use of multi-processing or is that a feature that only Sonar has?

I'm about 99% positive that I'm just going to shell out the dough and get Sonar anyway, (since I normally get top of the line stuff), but it would be nice to demo it first and also demo its capabilities on a system of choice.

Thanks for any help!!!

Kevin
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/06/17 23:24:59 (permalink)
You should be able to just use this test file on your systems. As long as they are all running the demo... they'll all be missing the same FX, and the results will be comparable between them.

-S
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/06/17 23:43:23 (permalink)
Ooh...good point. I hadn't thought of that. Thanks! I'll try it!

The problem I see right away is that with all the Sonitus fx missing (not to mention the Lexicon...heh heh!!), I can have the latency set down to 10 msec (as low as it goes on my Audigy) and the higest the cpu gets to is 26% (and this is an Athlon 1800+ against an Audigy...not a very accurate measurement).

Ah well...I'll have to keep messing around I guess.

I am hoping to get completely out of the Soundblaster line of cards as long as I can use something (looks like LiveSynth Pro and/or Dyad) to handle Soundfonts because I have a HUGE library of great sounds (including some incredible (to me anyway!) grand pianos.

I'll keep researching on this forum as to a good soundcard that is not a Creative card. On the other hand, I don't expect to be doing much more than: solo piano work (with some excellent soundfonts) and then later, some multitrack vocal stuff with maybe 4 tracks guitar audio and another 6 tracks of vocal audio coupled to the various soundfonts, and/or DXi instruments (and various effects)...so perhaps the latest Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro would work for what I'm trying to do...I dunno (I do like their inputs and outputs, however, most of the time I just need to get a mic or pre-amp into the computer and the rest is done purely inside the computer and then dumped to .wav...so I don't need a lot of inputs/outputs).

Kevin
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/06/18 20:10:19 (permalink)
Ok, here's the results with my new box.
multiprocessors off:

2.9 ms 43%
5.3 ms 36%
10.7 ms 29%
21.3 ms 27%
42.7 ms 24%

multprocessor on:

2.9 ms 27%
5.3 ms 22%
10.7 ms 19%
21.3 ms 17%
42.7 ms 15%

1.5 ms was N\A with my sound card.
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/06/18 20:15:33 (permalink)
My system is the following:

Dual Opteron 250's 2.4 GHz
MSI K8T Master 2
Echo Layla 24/96
WD 74GB Raptor Enterprise 10k RPM ( for OS and Programs)
WD2500JD 250GB 7200 RPM (audio)
OCZ ECC PC3200 2GB (512x4)
Plextor PX-712A DVD+-R
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/06/18 21:56:28 (permalink)
Dual Opteron 250's 2.4 GHz


WOW! <drool>

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/06/19 12:25:21 (permalink)
Here's mine:

System Spec:
Asus P4800
P4 3.2 HT 800Hz FSB
1 Gig DDR4000 Ram
WD 80gig system
WD 240gig recording
2 Delta 1010's
2 UAD-1

1.5 ms Toast
2.9 ms 64%
5.8 ms 47%
10.7 ms 35%
21.3 ms 30%
42.7 ms 29%

Mark St. James
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/06/20 04:52:36 (permalink)
Hi Scott

Here's my Specs for your survey

Intel 875PBZ Bonanza Motherboard
Pentium 4 - 3.2 Ghz Hyperthreading enabled
2 x 512Mb DDR400 Cas 2.5 Ram (Paralell Mode)
Boot drive C: Maxtor ATA133 40Gb
Archive Drive D: Maxtor ATA133 60Gb
AUDIO Drives 2 x 160 Gb Seagate SATA running as Software RAID 0 320 Gb Drive
RME Digi 96/8 PRO Audio Interface
NVidia GEFORCE MX440 64 Mb AGP8x Card running at 88/255 Latency (Controlled by powerstrip)
Realtek 8169 1gb network adapter
Swap Files and Picture Cache on D: Wavedata on E:

Only Available speeds on RME drivers are:

ASIO
5.8msecs = 41% 256kb 32bit
23.2msecs= 28% 1024kb 32bit

MME
11.6msecs = 42% 256kb 32bit
23.2msecs = 29% 256kb 32bit
34.8msecs = 28% 256kb 32bit

One interesting point, I cannot setup the Intel Hardware RAID, it causes random drop-outs with applications that use CD-writer (Nero, Wavelab etc). So far Software Raid doesn't show the same
behaviour. If anyone knows why this happens and has a cure I would be grateful.

This PC also is my office machine, Networked and Internet with ISDN, and also it was on the internet
at the time of test.

Dean

Windows 7 Professional  64 bit - Intel Q-9550 2.83 CPU, 8Gb DDR800, Gigabyte EP35-DS3R, M-Audio Delta 44, Yamaha HS-80M Monitors, UAD-1 Ultra Pack

I'm reading a book about anti-gravity at the moment and I just can't put it down
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/06/20 15:09:19 (permalink)
Here are the specs/performance of my new DAW

Specs:
Athlon64 3200+
Asus k8v SE deluxe motherboard
1GB Corsair PC3200 DDR (2x512MB)
Nvidia Ge-Force 4MX4000, 128MB DDR AGP 8x dual monitor
80GB system drive
120GB 7200rpm 8MB SATA audio drive
Lynx Two Model A
Sonar 3.1.1

ASIO
23.2 ms - 29%-30%
11.6 ms - 32%-35%
5.8 ms - 37%-39%
2.9 ms - 47%-52%
1.5 ms - 67%-75%

Roger

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/06/20 22:45:04 (permalink)
Yours seems a bit faster than mine (I get 41% at 5.8ms). I wonder if it's the video card, sound card or motherboard?!?
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/06/21 13:29:46 (permalink)
Good question, it may be a combination of all 3. However, the difference is not too big. I actually got one or two spikes at 41% but it stayed in 37% most of the time, with some 38s and 39s too.

Roger

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/06/21 14:08:44 (permalink)
AMD Athlon XP 1800+
512 mb memory (Kingston), running 266Mhz
VIA KT266A
SB Audigy


48% on 42,7 ms
54% on 21,3 ms
63% on 10,7 ms
83% on 5,3 ms
Won't run on 2,7 ms

I had to use Sampling rate 48000, and 16bit, though, because Audigy won't work on 41000. Do you think new Soundcard would help (Echo MIAMIDI), I'm considering that.
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/06/21 14:39:29 (permalink)
yes
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/06/24 10:51:23 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: ojc123

My system is the following:

Dual Opteron 250's 2.4 GHz
MSI K8T Master 2
Echo Layla 24/96
WD 74GB Raptor Enterprise 10k RPM ( for OS and Programs)
WD2500JD 250GB 7200 RPM (audio)
OCZ ECC PC3200 2GB (512x4)
Plextor PX-712A DVD+-R


ojc123,

I looked all over but could not find that particular CPU/mobo combination. AMD doesn't list the K8T Master 2 as a valid mobo for 250's. Can you point me to where you bought that gear?
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/06/24 14:43:00 (permalink)
You can find it if you a pricewatch.com search.
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/06/28 11:31:29 (permalink)
My new DAW from Scott Reams at LiquidDAQ:

AMD64 3200+
K8N Neo Platinum MB
NVIDIA nForce 3 250Gb chipset
2GB memory
1 WDC 80MB 7200 SATA system drive
1 WDC 120MB 7200 SATA audio drive
Radeon 9200 Dual Head video
EMU 1820
WinXP Pro SP1

ASIO:

39.9 - 28
20.0 - 30-31
10.0 - 34-35
5.0 - 39-44
2.0 - 57-67
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