cm-magazine has a pdf-file with some of those tweaks. if you want to look at those..

Mine stays around 41-43% at 5.8ms with WDM. I would be curious as well. I have a Matrox G450 with 16mb. I did try a Radeon 9600 when I had my P4 in the studio and it did not make any differencem but I wonder on the 3200+ if it would...

Thanks,

Hi,

Just upgraded to Sonar 3 and would like very much to try this test. However, when I click on the link it takes me to "http://www.roadrec.com/<span%20class=" and gives me a page not found error. Don't know if this is an error with my browser or what. I right clicked the the link and checked properties but all I see is the incomplete link. Could someone direct me to the correct link? Please feel free to email it to me at Jon dot Bryson at Kirtland dot af dot mil.

Thanks!

Jon Bryson

-WinXP Home sp1 (dual-boot: one uncluttered and optimixed for DAW and the other for internet and Office)
-MSI K7T Turbo LE
-Athlon XP 1600+ (1.39 gHz)
-768 Mb of PC133 SDRAM
-Echo Mia with latest drivers (6.08)
-Maxtor 40 gigs 7200 rpm for system drive
-Maxtor 80 gigs for samples (on his own IDE)
-Matrox G450


This is on the Internet boot with WDM:

46.4ms.....56%
23.2ms.....58-60%
11.6ms.....69-73%
5.8ms.......91-92%
2.9ms.......Audio engine refuse to engage

Added: Same values on the DAW only boot...

^^^

10 minutes audio track for each channel
no effects/plugins

10.0 ms latency 44.1khz 16bit
100 Stereo tracks....25% Stable ... +/- 6% difference
200 Stereo tracks....50% Stable ... + 7% difference
250 Stereo tracks....62% Stable ... + 5% difference
300 Stereo tracks....74% unstable ... + 7% difference (still plays 3/4 track)
350 Stereo tracks....87% unstable ... +5% difference (still plays 1/8 track)

hope this help with my data for my system

Windows XP-home
AMD Athlon XP 2800+ (2.088Ghz) 333MHz Barton Core (512KB Cache)
MSI KT4V-L Motherboard
512MB PC2700 Memory (unknown brand)
Nvidia GeForce4 Ti4200 AGP8X Video card
Memorex DVD+/-RW
Seagate ST380013A 80GB Software IDE Hard Drive
Quantum FireballP AS40.0 40G Audio (Removable) IDE Hard Drive
MOTU 896 Firewire Audio Ver3.3 driver, Firmware 1.01, Hardware V2

WDM drivers

DMA: 512 samples per buffer
11.6mS 57-61%
23.2mS 54-55%
34.8mS 50-52%
46.4mS 47-51%
58.0mS 50-51%

DMA: 96 samples per buffer
2.2mS DROPOUT
4.4mS DROPOUT
6.5mS 83-88%
8.7mS 75-79%
10.9mS 68-71%
13.1mS 64-67%
15.2mS 62-64%
17.4mS 59-61%
19.6mS 58-60%
21.8mS 57-58%
23.9mS 56-57%
45.7mS 50-51%
46.7mS 49-51%

(gratuitously trimmed... :)

ORIGINAL: wogg

...Somethings not quite right with that number there...

...First try different drivers, like ASIO mode...

...Then try tweaking your RAM settings.

Thanks for the tips wogg. Does seem a little odd. I haven't tried tweaking stuff like that cause I haven't really needed it. Was planning on trying to get the ASIO drivers running (one goal for this weekend). I'll try the RAM timings too. Have to pop the hood and try to figure out what brand RAM I have too. gotta be a bottle-neck somewhere...

What sound card? Using WDM? ASIO?

-S

Okay - hier are my results:

MB: Gigabyte GA-K8NSNXP-939
CPU: AMD64 3500+ 1GB dual channel DDR-400RAM
in a singleCH mode only / the 2nd 1GB RAM missing :(
VideoCard: Matrox DH450 32MB
Soundcard: RME-HAMMERFALL / lastest driver
WinxP Pro (SP1 still isnt installed) and wasnt fresh WinXP install (I let setiup prog repair the WinXp after mainboard/cpu/ram exchange to avoid installing everything)

Asio
46,4ms __25-26%
23,2ms __27-28%
11,8ms __31-32%
05,8ms __40-41%
02,9ms __54-55%
01,5ms __87-89% (wondering why so high! must be the bad driver from RME!)


BTW.I dont like the test that much (without real miditracks and audiowaves!) The results will be completly different, if we would run some midinotes over DXis while playing some audiotracks. In my opinion it would be better to use the demo file(How we do) which contains already a lot of wave files) and insert there some DXis and real miditracks /using Dxi/

Anyhow - i like my results:)
I will repeat the test if the system runs in dual channel mode (waitng for new RAM)

Cheers

ORIGINAL: tazman

what temps are running for cpu and system?

CPU @ 19-20°C (No progr/bios settings too slow down the CPU-Fan :( )
But that is what BIOS says after reboot (dont have any prog under windows)

If those are the real temps, wow!!! Never seen something that low on an A64!!!

Same here - was also wondering how low they are!
The CPU-Fan (CPU AMD64 3500+orginal from AMD) seems to run @ full speed! The temperatures are shown by bios (gigabyte Socket939)

Cheers

Just checked some forums!
It seems to be general problem with the temp info on this mainboard

Quote:

for the CPU and 4C for the board..
I know this cant be right I am also seeing these same temps using Nvidia
nvsystemutility. I am hoping future BIOS updates will fix this..Anyone else
seeing these low temps? Thanks.

hello ,
i have this board/cpu combination (and 2*512 mb Corsair XMS400C2 ram)
since the last saturday.
It is very stable ( no crashes) and very fast.
But i have a little problem with it: i don´t belive , that my 3500+
cpu is only 18°C cool. The board displays this incorrect value , and
some tools.
I hope they will fix it in the next bios ( i have write to gigabyte).
The most onboard features i have disabled ( no
/sata/audio/marvin-gb_lan -im using adaptec 29160 scsi/audigy2zs) so
i can´t say anything about it .
I think - it is a goog board. Anyone knows something about my
temperature problem ?


nope ,
cpu temperature = 17° (bios & aida)
aux temperature = 25 ° (bios & aida)

i have here now something about 30° degrees in my room -
the displayed values are incorrect....



END OF QUOTE

LAPTOP --- LAPTOP -- LAPTOP

Okay, I've been quite the lurker here for awhile. Finally things opened up for me to consider a laptop and I took JoePaz's advice and checked out the eMachines M6810. Interestingly enough, I too have a M-Audio Firewire 410 (just like Joe), so this should be interesting. Does the M6810 outrank the M6805 like it probably should (although the 6805 is nothing to complain about in my opinion...looks solid!).

wow...wOw...and WOW! This laptop ROCKS! Apparently back in March or May (I can't remember), Gateway took over eMachines (but kept the label for brand recognition) and now they are respectable machines. I know that the one I purchased from my local BestBuy yesterday (for $1500 with $250 in rebates that made the total $1250) is simply too beautiful for words (can you tell it's my first laptop?? and I have 4 other machines down here in my studio!).

Anyway...it seems to have quality guts (like AMD 64 3200+ processor, 512 Mb of RAM (soon as this expensive laptop RAM comes down..if it ever will..this box will have 1 Gig), and an ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 with 64 Mb of video RAM. I could ramble further...but you probably want the specs.

eMachines M6810 Laptop with stock everything (except the OS):
Athlon 64 3200+ Mobile processor
HT technology
512 Mb RAM (PC2700)
60 Gig HD (Hitachi)
ATI Mobility Radeon 9600
On-board AC97 sound card
M-Audio Firewire 410
Windows XP Pro SP2
Sonar PE 3.1.1

You can see the specs of the laptop for yourself at:

http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=eMachines_M6810

Okay, with the sick pathetic onboard AC97 Realtek soundcard (I couldn't get the latency slider to go directly to the same points that Scott did, so you'll have to interpolate a little...also, no ASIO drivers as far as I can tell, so these are WDM drivers - also, buffers = 2, I/O buffer size = 64):

40.1ms 37%
30.1ms 39%
20 ms 41%
10 ms 44%

and that's as low as I could move the slider. Wow! Coming from my existing desktop DAW (an Athlon 1800+ (1.15 Ghz) with 1 Gig of RAM and the Firewire 410 hooked to it), I would regularly be up in the 75% range with 2 tracks so this is definitely getting better!!

I then hooked in the M-Audio Firewire 410 and here are the specs for that:

46.4ms 37%
23.2ms 39%
11.6ms 44%
5.8ms 52%
2.9ms couldn't drag the slider this low
1.5ms couldn't drag the slider this low.

It is interesting that the sucky onboard AC97 soundpuke card has some decent results. Maybe my Firewire 410 wasn't as fast as I thought it would be? Doesn't really matter though, because both sound avenues are better than what I had AND it's on a laptop!! Yee stinkin' haw!!

Now realize that this is on a fresh install of WinXP Pro SP2 with a fresh install of Sonar 3.1.1 PE and nothing else. I haven't even had time to work with a song yet...so these are very empirical numbers with no real working experience to go with them (in terms of working with a number of different types of songs and tracks and such), so on the surface it would appear that this laptop should work well for my needs, but if it's one thing I've learned in the DAW world, ya just never know!!

I had wireless networking running as well as Symantec antivirus and I would usually turn these and all other similar extraneous services off. Plus I haven't stripped out unnecessary services, system sounds, etc., yet, so mayhap I should do all that and then test again and see if I get better numbers....forgot about all those things in the Sonar FAQ that help you turn off unnecessary CPU hogging things.

Hope this helps!

11.6ms........34-35%
5.8ms..........39-42%
2.9ms..........49-50%
1.5ms..........70-75%

Hmm.. i got worse results with AMD3500+ 2GB RAM(2x1GB modules for Dual Channel) and RME-Hammerfall with latest ASIO-drv (especially @ low latency) Not to mention , that the mainboard is 939 Slot-board with dual channel (FSB @1600!!!) So why the hell do I get worse results then you?? I thought the maschine will rock da hause

05,8ms .....40-41%
02,9ms .....54-55%
01,5ms .....87-89% (wondering why so high! must be the bad driver from RME!)

ORIGINAL: timboe

Hi robc / tazman

(4) four quick questions if I may about your new DAW:-

=> are you running FAT32 or NTFS on your hard disks ?

=> is there a specific model of the Corsair RAM you are runnning ?

=> what are your DDR Ram latency settings in the BIOS set to ?

=> what are your results using ASIO driver mode ?

TIA,
Tim

= >NTFS

= >Corsair TwinX [if I remember right it is:CORSAIR TWINX1024-3200C2 2X64X64 400MHZ 2X512MB (MATCHED PAIR) CL2 DDR DIMM W/HEAT SPREADER]

= >I am not in front of my DAW right now so I can;t tell you the latency setup. I did not tweak at all, just loaded the optimized defaults in the BIOS.

=> I have not tried with ASIO drivers in a long while. I much prefer WDM ones. I'll try to run the ASIO and see, but I seem to remember that I get similar performance. (I had only tried 64, 128 and 256 buffer size in the Delta Panel)

Cheers,