New, Updated SonarTest

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/11/28 17:21:42 (permalink)
I don't see any tracks? Just track names, no midi or audio files. Is this correct?
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/11/28 18:33:50 (permalink)
Yes, the test is entirely based on real time input monitoring.

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/11/30 23:02:16 (permalink)
Putting a new system through some paces.

I hope I did this right.

MSI Neo2 Platinum (939)
Athlon 64 +3500 (2200mhz)
1gig Corsair twinx 3200xl ram (dual channel) set 2325
Windows Pro
Sonar 3.1.1 PE
STAudio C-port with ESI 8.2rc5 drivers

Buffers set at 64, drivers autorate (defaults to 44.1 16 bit) WDM. ASIO panel won't allow latency less than 5.8ms though results are about the same to that point.


46.4 25%

23.2 27%

11.6 30%

5.8 39%

2.9 50%

1.3 53% (first test of four stopped audio engine, seemed to settle down after that)
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/17 21:18:51 (permalink)
Hi all !

Some initial results with my new DAW - specs are:-

- 3200+ .09 Winchester CPU - actual stock speed of 10 x 200 = 2000mhz
- Corsair 2 x 512 XL DDR set to 2/2/2/5
- Asus A8V DLX Rev 2.0 Board
- ASIO driver
- Delta .48a Drivers for a Delta 66
- HTT 1000mhz
- Command 2T - Disabled - 1T
- all other BIOS settings set to Default / AUTO


46.4ms - %27
23.2ms - %29
11.6ms - %32 <-> %33
5.8ms - %39 <-> %40
2.9ms - %53 <-> %55
1.5ms - %79 <-> %81

As I tweak and O/C, I will update

Thx,
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/22 10:06:53 (permalink)
My IT department just built us two new machines to compare. They have an Intel-only policy, so we got a P4 3.4 GHz, and a dual Xeon 3.2 GHz machine. The machines are pretty similar: 2 gig ram, Delta Audiophile 2496 soundcard, PNY NVidia Quadro FX330 64MB video, 250 GB SATA hard drive.

The P4 3.4 GHz is on an Intel D915GUX motherboard and here are its numbers:

ASIO drivers, Hyperthreading and Multiprocessor engine:

23.2ms 24%
11.6ms 29%
5.8ms 38%
2.9ms 53%
1.5ms 82% with occasional dropouts

Without Multiprocessor engine:
23.2ms 28%
11.6ms 33%
5.8ms 42%
2.9ms 58%
1.5ms 90% with occasional dropouts

Dual Xeon 3.2 GHz, Supermicro X6DVL-G motherboard:

ASIO drivers, Multiprocessor engine:
23.2ms 18%
11.6ms 21%
5.8ms 27%
2.9ms 38%
1.5ms 70%

Without Multiprocessor engine:

23.2ms 30%
11.6ms 35%
5.8ms 44%
2.9ms 61%
1.5ms dropout
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/24 11:59:34 (permalink)
New DAW:

AMD Athlon 64 3700+ 1MB L2 Cache Clawhammer Core
MSI K8N Neo Platinum 754 Socket nForce3 250GB Chipset
1024 400DDR OCZ EL Platinum Revision 2 Dual Channel
WinXP Professional SP2 with Sonar 4.0.1PE entered as DEP exception
Jaton nVIDIA GeForce MX4000 Video Card, 128MB DDR, Dual VGA
80gb Seagate ATA-100 7200rpm OS/pgm drive (Partitioned 40/40)
160gb Seagate SATA 7200rpm audio drive
Plextor PlexWriter Premium 52x32x52 CDRW
Antec Sonata case 380W Silent Technology power supply and cooling
2 16 Channel Zaolla analog cables in and out of converters
2 16 Channel Apogee AES/EBU cables in and out of DAW
1 Lynx AES16 digital interface w/ AD-16/DA-16 Apogee converters
1 RME Digiface PCI digital interface for ADAT optical transfers
2 UAD-1 powered DSP PCI cards v3.7
1 MOTU MIDI Express XT (USB interface)
1 Mackie Control Universal
2 Mackie Control Extenders

Results:

44.6 = 31%
23.2 = 55%
11.6 = 60%
5.8 = 72%
2.9 = 90%
1.5 = Won't engage

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OS tuned with http://www.musicxp.net/tuning_tips.php
No audio cards are sharing any IRQ
Tried many of the BIOS tweaks mentioned by others using this MOBO

Seems like I should be able to achieve better results.

Any suggestions?

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/24 13:08:54 (permalink)
SteveD, I went through some real headaches with a new laptop with AMD 64 3400 until I figured out that the power savings options were keeping the processor from operating at full speed. Have you checked to see if this may be the case? A quick check would be Start -> right click My Computer -> Properties -> System Properties -> General and see what the processor speed says.
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/24 13:35:37 (permalink)
Thanks Jeff,

No problem there:



Power management is set for "Always On" for both monitor and hard drives.

There are no device errors. Everything looks perfect.

Just seems like others are getting better results with similar systems.

Thanks again for the reply.

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/24 14:38:42 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: SteveD

New DAW:
...
WinXP Professional SP2 with Sonar 4.0.1PE entered as DEP exception
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OS tuned with http://www.musicxp.net/tuning_tips.php
No audio cards are sharing any IRQ
Tried many of the BIOS tweaks mentioned by others using this MOBO

Seems like I should be able to achieve better results.

Any suggestions?

I don't suppose you could just do a simple XP SP1 install with no tweaks and try it? Just a WAG.
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/24 14:43:41 (permalink)
Two Things....

1) Is the link at the to beginning of this thread the newest test, even though it says Sonar3test?

2) For Scott ...you have worked with Duncan Sheik?
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/24 14:54:20 (permalink)
Sorry for the terrible dumb question... but how do I measure the cpu percentage. I have xp pro 100% updated and have heard there is a cpu monitor somewhere but I can not find it. Is this the app that you guys are using? If so please tell me where to find it, or tell me where to get it etc. I would love to try this out. I have already downloaded the test and am awaiting the final piece...hehe

jam
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/24 15:01:05 (permalink)
10 ms -> 66-67%
8ms -> 77 -79% , computer almost crashed.. and RED signal in the CPU meter

49.9ms--> 41-43%


Configuration :
Intel Celeron 2.8Ghz
80 Gig HDD
512 MB Ram
E-mu 0404 Sound Card, ASIO

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/24 15:13:53 (permalink)
Sorry for the terrible dumb question... but how do I measure the cpu percentage.


Read Sonar's CPU meter at the lower right corner.

-S
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/24 15:15:32 (permalink)
1) Is the link at the to beginning of this thread the newest test, even though it says Sonar3test?


Yes.

2) For Scott ...you have worked with Duncan Sheik?


I am acquainted with him through a friend of mine who went to school with Duncan's bass player. The audio sample you likely heard is from a live 24-track recording i did of him in Modesto, CA.

-S
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/24 15:18:34 (permalink)
WinXP Professional SP2 with Sonar 4.0.1PE entered as DEP exception


Sonar 4.x should be fully compliant with DEP and so should not need to be excepted.

Also... your scores at low latency should be better than they are based on other socket754 Athlon64 results I've received.

-S
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/24 15:21:50 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: tarsier

ORIGINAL: SteveD

New DAW:
...
WinXP Professional SP2 with Sonar 4.0.1PE entered as DEP exception
...
OS tuned with http://www.musicxp.net/tuning_tips.php
No audio cards are sharing any IRQ
Tried many of the BIOS tweaks mentioned by others using this MOBO

Seems like I should be able to achieve better results.

Any suggestions?

I don't suppose you could just do a simple XP SP1 install with no tweaks and try it? Just a WAG.

Thought of that, but it's a new WinXP Pro install. They all come with SP2 now. I didn't see a way to prevent SP2 from getting installed.

Scott, Is there a way to do this?

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/24 15:30:13 (permalink)
Well, Duncan is one of the few artists that I have gone out of my way to meet (years in a band will get you cynical to that kind of thing). He may be my FAVORITE, which in my overly-critical mind, is the pinnacle of accolades!!! But I digress.

Anyway thanks for putting together the test and, I may pester you about Duncan later :)
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/24 16:54:07 (permalink)
Thought of that, but it's a new WinXP Pro install. They all come with SP2 now. I didn't see a way to prevent SP2 from getting installed.

Scott, Is there a way to do this?


There should be no reason to do this with Sonar4. It should be fully compliant and it should not need to be excepted. DEP is a good thing... so unless you are having an issue that can't be worked around, let DEP do its thing.

-S
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/24 18:52:21 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: Scott Reams

Thought of that, but it's a new WinXP Pro install. They all come with SP2 now. I didn't see a way to prevent SP2 from getting installed.

Scott, Is there a way to do this?


There should be no reason to do this with Sonar4. It should be fully compliant and it should not need to be excepted. DEP is a good thing... so unless you are having an issue that can't be worked around, let DEP do its thing.

-S


That's what my research has lead me to believe as well. Thanks for the confirmation Scott.

Do you agree I should be seeing better results?

AMD Athlon 64 3700+ 1MB L2 Cache Clawhammer Core
MSI K8N Neo Platinum 754 Socket nForce3 250GB Chipset
1024 400DDR OCZ EL Platinum Revision 2 Dual Channel

44.6 = 31%
23.2 = 55%
11.6 = 60%
5.8 = 72%
2.9 = 90%
1.5 = Won't engage


BTW: Merry Christmas everyone!

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/25 02:56:30 (permalink)
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Read Sonar's CPU meter at the lower right corner.

-S


I do not see that cpu meter, or the disk meter they talk about either. I see help on the left sid, mouse position in the middle, then audio running then mute (in yellow) two blank boxes, then 44.1khz 16bit, and disk space. How do I bring the cpu meter up?

Also I downloaded the test (a cwp file). Sonar siad no audio was with the file and asked to create it. I said yes and sonar brought it in but nothing plays when I hit play. It runs for about a 1/2 sec then stops. It does not say dropout in red at the bottom.

hope I and try this...lol

jam
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/25 09:12:19 (permalink)
Hardware:
hp Pavillion zd7030us (Laptop)
3.06 Ghz Intel P4 HT
x86 Family 15 model 2 stepping 7
System BIOS f.30
512 KB Cache
2048 MB RAM
OS Windows XP Pro/Media Center Edition (all of that disabled on my audio only partition)
OS Version 5.1.2600
SP 1

80 GB Hitachi 5400 RPM Internal Drive
300 GB Maxtor Firewire Outboard Drive Coupled thrugh PMCIA Firewire Card

Audio Hardware:
MOTU 828 mkII FireWire Interface
MOTU midi timepiece AV

Test Results:

With MP on in SONAR:
2.2ms dropout
2.9ms 61-71%
4.4ms 49-54%
5.8ms 46-51%
8.7ms 37-41%
11.6ms 33-37%
17.4ms 30-33%
23.2ms 29-32%
34.8ms 28-30%
46.4ms 27-29%

With MP off in SONAR:
2.2ms dropout
2.9ms dropout
4.4ms 54-60%
5.8ms 47-49%
8.7ms 39-43%
11.6ms 36-37%
17.4ms 32-34%
23.2ms 30-32%
34.8ms 28-29%
46.4ms 27-28%

All testing performed using MOTU's current ASIO driver. OS has been stripped down and tweaked to the max. Right now, I'm not even using a Swap (Page) File
Hope this is helpful...

Thanks, enjoy, and Happy Holidays!
Doug
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/25 11:16:15 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: SteveD

New DAW:

AMD Athlon 64 3700+ 1MB L2 Cache Clawhammer Core
MSI K8N Neo Platinum 754 Socket nForce3 250GB Chipset
1024 400DDR OCZ EL Platinum Revision 2 Dual Channel
WinXP Professional SP2 with Sonar 4.0.1PE entered as DEP exception
Jaton nVIDIA GeForce MX4000 Video Card, 128MB DDR, Dual VGA
80gb Seagate ATA-100 7200rpm OS/pgm drive (Partitioned 40/40)
160gb Seagate SATA 7200rpm audio drive
Plextor PlexWriter Premium 52x32x52 CDRW
Antec Sonata case 380W Silent Technology power supply and cooling
2 16 Channel Zaolla analog cables in and out of converters
2 16 Channel Apogee AES/EBU cables in and out of DAW
1 Lynx AES16 digital interface w/ AD-16/DA-16 Apogee converters
1 RME Digiface PCI digital interface for ADAT optical transfers
2 UAD-1 powered DSP PCI cards v3.7
1 MOTU MIDI Express XT (USB interface)
1 Mackie Control Universal
2 Mackie Control Extenders

Results:

44.6 = 31%
23.2 = 55%
11.6 = 60%
5.8 = 72%
2.9 = 90%
1.5 = Won't engage

---

OS tuned with http://www.musicxp.net/tuning_tips.php
No audio cards are sharing any IRQ
Tried many of the BIOS tweaks mentioned by others using this MOBO

Seems like I should be able to achieve better results.

Any suggestions?


It seems to me that your machine isn't working up to it's potential as a matter of fact my AMD64 3000+, according to this test puts up much better numbers. Your results are a disappointment to me because I was looking at the 3700+ as an upgrade option for my 754 setup. Please post if you should unravel what is wrong with your setup.

Best Of Luck
Poni
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/25 12:10:17 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: Poni

ORIGINAL: SteveD

New DAW:

AMD Athlon 64 3700+ 1MB L2 Cache Clawhammer Core
MSI K8N Neo Platinum 754 Socket nForce3 250GB Chipset
1024 400DDR OCZ EL Platinum Revision 2 Dual Channel
WinXP Professional SP2 with Sonar 4.0.1PE entered as DEP exception
Jaton nVIDIA GeForce MX4000 Video Card, 128MB DDR, Dual VGA

Results:

44.6 = 31%
23.2 = 55%
11.6 = 60%
5.8 = 72%
2.9 = 90%
1.5 = Won't engage

---

OS tuned with http://www.musicxp.net/tuning_tips.php
No audio cards are sharing any IRQ
Tried many of the BIOS tweaks mentioned by others using this MOBO

Seems like I should be able to achieve better results.

Any suggestions?


It seems to me that your machine isn't working up to it's potential as a matter of fact my AMD64 3000+, according to this test puts up much better numbers. Your results are a disappointment to me because I was looking at the 3700+ as an upgrade option for my 754 setup. Please post if you should unravel what is wrong with your setup.

Best Of Luck
Poni

Hi Poni,

I know that this DAW is currently under-performing. It should be coming in second to the dual CPU in performance. Just look at the current statistics to this thread on page one.

I mean there are guys here with laptops cleaning my clock. Maybe I've clobbered my PCI bandwidth in some way. Maybe I need to remove all PCI cards and my firewire external hard drive... and all USB devices... everything except my Lynx sound card and take Scott's test again, and if it's performing properly... start adding cards and devices to find the problem.

I've already tried most of the BIOS tweaks already recommended by others using my MOBO.

Maybe I've installed something improperly... but I don't think so. There are NO hardware errors, and the system is STABLE. SOLID. Operates perfectly. Just not like an AMD Athlon 64 3700+ cpu should.

I WILL get to the bottom of this and post my findings.

In the mean time... I'm all ears if anyone has something I should look for. For example, I'm wondering if using the special MOBO fan connections which works with temperature monitoring is stealing performance. I doubt it though.

Hmmm...

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/25 12:26:26 (permalink)
Steve when I first got my system going my memory would run at 2 x 166 instead of 2 x200 until I did some tweaking of my memory settings in the CMOS setup. There is a small utility at http://www.cpuid.com/ called CPU-Z that may give you some clues at what may be going wrong.

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/25 12:53:52 (permalink)
jamminji,

You are looking for them at the very far right bottom. Here is what they should look like
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/25 14:01:51 (permalink)
WireRage... Thanks for the pic. Yep that is where I am looking and my screen stops at the disk space {E} xxxxMB

I don't see the disk space 60% or the cpu and disk meters to the right of that. I tried changeing the full screen to window screen and expanding the window but it won't expand any larger. I have the X close program at the top right so I think I am as far right as I can go.

What about the test not playing and saying no audio do you want to create it?

thanks

jam
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/25 19:21:36 (permalink)
WireRage... Thanks for the pic. Yep that is where I am looking and my screen stops at the disk space {E} xxxxMB


It sounds to me like maybe you are running Sonar at a resolution lower than is indicated by the system requirements. Make sure your Windows resolution is at least 1024x768, and that Sonar i running fullscreen. You may also need to turn off Large Fonts.

-S
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/26 00:38:37 (permalink)
Sounds like Scott has hit the nail on the head but as far as the create file that is normal for it to ask you that.

Back on topic here are my results.

P4 533 FSB
FIC VCE319 MB
2 x 512 333Mhz RAM
SATA 10K RPM HD
AGP NVIDIA GeoForce2/ Mx400
PCI NVIDIA RIVA TNT 64
Terra Tec EWS88D-ASIO
WIN XP SP2
S4 PE

2.9ms-75%
4.5ms-58%
5.8ms-50%
7.6ms-45%
11.6ms-38%
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/26 02:02:09 (permalink)
Steve,

Something definitely wrong going on there with your setup. Your system should easily outperform mine, an Athlon XP3200+ Barton (previous generation chip) and yet my numbers are way better (for example, I show 65% at 2.9ms compared to your 90%).

Try stripping your system down to the bare essentials (remove the UAD1 cards, USB devices, etc), and run the test again. If necessary remove one ram stick, or swap slot positions - basically strip your machine down piece by piece until you've isolated the problem.

Keep us updated, and good luck,
JD
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/26 02:11:57 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: Scott Reams

WireRage... Thanks for the pic. Yep that is where I am looking and my screen stops at the disk space {E} xxxxMB


It sounds to me like maybe you are running Sonar at a resolution lower than is indicated by the system requirements. Make sure your Windows resolution is at least 1024x768, and that Sonar i running fullscreen. You may also need to turn off Large Fonts.

-S


Very odd... I am running at 1024x768 and normal fonts and full screen. I thought that might be it too but did not know if 1024x768 was good or not. I guess it is....hmmm

any more suggestions?

jam

also I missed/don't see the post about why the test file wont play and asks to creat audio?
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