ORIGINAL: daverich

looks like my system is a bit slow too -


Dave Rich

Dave what is your system.

Dave your problem is that your memory is not running at it's proper speed, it shoud be running @400mhz. I had the same problem when I first started using my system no matter what I did the memory would always revert back to 333mhz. What corrected this problem for me was low latency Corsair memory with a Cas Latency of 2. There is a small free app called CPU-Z that should tell you what your memory settings are mine are 2.5,3,3,6 and at these settings it runs quick and stable. Hope this helps.

ORIGINAL: Poni

Dave your problem is that your memory is not running at it's proper speed, it shoud be running @400mhz. I had the same problem when I first started using my system no matter what I did the memory would always revert back to 333mhz. What corrected this problem for me was low latency Corsair memory with a Cas Latency of 2. There is a small free app called CPU-Z that should tell you what your memory settings are mine are 2.5,3,3,6 and at these settings it runs quick and stable. Hope this helps.

Whilst you may be correct about the voltage boost - the MSI board only runs at 333mhz with all memory slots populated.

Bit of a bugger really - maybe I should overclock the memory bus up to something nearer 400 from 333?

I'll have a play around today and see what I can do.

I have noticed that if I put the board in aggressive timing mode then the board wont post and i have to open up the case and clear cmos and start again - very irritating as it's rack mounted heh.

Kind regards

Dave Rich.

Thought I'd add my results...

AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Socket 754 (2Ghz)
DFI Lanparty UT nf3 250Gb
1x512Mb PC3200 Corsair XMS XL DDR400 (2-2-2-10)
ATI Radeon 9000 Pro 128Mb
Maxtor 30Gb 7200rpm ATA-133 system drive
Western Digital 80Gb 7200rpm ATA-100 audio drive
TDK DVDRW 1280b
Antec True380 psu
Windows XP Pro SP1
M-Audio DeltaTDIF pci audio
ASIO drivers 5.10.00.0046

Default settings:
46.4ms..........28%
23.2ms..........30%
11.3ms..........33-34%
5.8ms............41-42%
2.9ms............56-58%
1.5ms............84-86%

O/C'd to 2250Mhz:
46.4ms..........25%
23.2ms..........26-27%
11.3ms..........30-31%
5.8ms............36-38%
2.9ms............50-51%
1.5ms............76-79%

The first results are with the bios settings pretty much at default, except the memory timing is manually set to 2-2-2-10. The second results are with the same memory timings, but the FSB is overclocked at a stable 225Mhz.

ORIGINAL: Poni

ORIGINAL: daverich

Whilst you may be correct about the voltage boost - the MSI board only runs at 333mhz with all memory slots populated.

Kind regards

Dave Rich.

That's a shame, I'd pull the third stick of memory and manually set the timing of so it ran at about 440 mhz. I think you would be much happier with your machine.

ok pulled the third stick and the memory is now running at 410.

NO difference at all in performance scores.

Whaddya make of that?

Seems odd to me ;)

Kind regards

Dave Rich

ORIGINAL: daverich

ORIGINAL: Poni

ORIGINAL: daverich

Whilst you may be correct about the voltage boost - the MSI board only runs at 333mhz with all memory slots populated.

Kind regards

Dave Rich.

That's a shame, I'd pull the third stick of memory and manually set the timing of so it ran at about 440 mhz (totally stabe). I think you would be much happier with your machine.

ok pulled the third stick and the memory is now running at 410.

NO difference at all in performance scores.

Whaddya make of that?

Seems odd to me ;)

Kind regards

Dave Rich

That's strange when I overclocked my machine 10% the performance gain seemed to reflect it. My 3000+ running @2.2ghz FSB @440 shows 50% cpu useage at 128 sample latency setting using the asio driver. Your 3200+ should get the same results running at the stock settings.

ORIGINAL: Guitarmech111
Are you running FW too?

No M-audio delta 44.

Actually after doing some digging around it would seem that my memory WAS working at 400 before. there must've been a bios update to fix it after the mobo manual was released.

If I clock my computer up to 440 I get 51% and 128 latency.

I guess it's a driver performance thing.

What were you testing with?

I just got to a stable 1.3ms latency!!!

I NOW HAVE THE WOW Factor!!!

This project is a hog and I am able to play it back without any rice krispies!!!!

I am now officially a happy camper.

Conley - are you using SATA?

Nope. IDE

edit: I only sped up the memory, nothing else.

This post is for people who are building/buying a new computer for Sonar use. It gives them an idea on what kind of results you will get for different systems. While the test mainly focus on cpu use and how low you can get your latency, I think this site is useful.

Buying a Mac+Pro tools isn't neccesarily the way to go. Many "non technical" people who will look at your post will go out and buy a 350Mhz G3 mac with pro tools Le and wonder why they can only run 2 plug ins.

Jason, you have to understand Shae. Shae is a disturber, knowledgable, but still a disturber. Most of us won't even respond to jabs like this. He knows what this is for.

Now come to Japan and set me up.

You buy, I'll fly!! (seriously) <g>

Sushi,

I would have to cook this... <g>

ORIGINAL: Guitarmech111

Sushi,

I would have to cook this... <g>

the misses maight be able to rustle ya up some deep fried mamushi. Sorry, ain't got no rattlesnake. Stir fried with some baked beans and sla-a-w-ww. Finger lickin' good.

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http://images.google.com/images?q=mamushi&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=wi

http://www.pref.hokkaido.jp/hfukusi/hf-kchnh/genko/mamushi/mamushi1.jpg

Can you sum up you results and reasons for improvements?

Well, my end result is the 'WOW' factor I was looking for compared to my old setup. I went from an ASUS A7S333 athlon XP2400+ with 1G to the NEO2 Athlon 3500+ (s939) 1G combo.

My initial setup after installing all the programs and drivers was not impressing me like I thought it would. After searching through the memory manufacturers website and the MSI NEO2 board hot rodding pages, I felt mine could do a lot better. With a little tweaking, I did.

The SONAR3 Test results didn't change much, but the actual performance of projects skyrocketed! Actually, it worked better after I tweaked the system and turned off dithering. I am able to work at 1.3ms latency on a project that used to go 5.8ms latency with my Delta1010. I am sure the extra processing power helped in this area too. My ASUS would not go below 17ms for the FF800 without stability issues like clicking and popping.

I am VERY content with the results now.

Scott Reams is very knowledgeable in this area. He's the guy behind the web site http://www.LiquidDAW.com. Since selecting parts for a DAW can be tricky, (for example, read some of the threads relating to compatability with the UAD-1 card, a VERY popular effects PCI card), I'd seriously consider letting him build and configure it. You also might want to read the thread below, towards the end, where a guy 'rickgn' makes the quote below. He uses UAD-1 cards. I've been seriously thinking about getting an AMD Athlon 64 setup, but this one quote has put a damper on those thoughts, and is a good example of why this isn't an easy question to answer...

"My advice: Ditch the AMD platform for an Intel setup. I just did and found myself getting lower latencies instantly and is 10x more stable. Yes, the AMD system seemed to have 10% more performance with Sonar. But at the cost of PCI latency and stability? hardly a bargain. The Intel chipset architecture has features built-in that allows for better streaming cabability. Yes, I know, many of you out there have been successful with creating a solid AMD system but I'm just sharing my experience."

http://www.cakewalk.com/forum/tm.asp?m=361301&mpage=1&key=fireface%2Cyeah