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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/26 02:27:32 (permalink)
also I missed/don't see the post about why the test file wont play and asks to creat audio?


The test file is not supposed to play. You simply open it and note CPU usage with the audio engine engaged (this is automatic). No need to press play or do anything other than just opening the file.

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/26 04:20:40 (permalink)
CPU: Intel Pentium 4 530 3.0GHz 800MHz FSB 1MB L2 cache
MMX/SSE/SSE2/SSE3
HyperThreading Enabled

M/B: Intel 915GAV LGA775
Inf 6.2.1.1001
BIOS EV91510A.86A.0332

RAM: 2.048GB 4 x 512 DDR400 Kingston RAM
Dual Channel Max Memory 4GB

Video: Intel GMA900 (On Board)
Driver 6.14.10.3943

S/C Audigy 2 ZS Platinum
Driver 1.84.50

H/D 2 Seagate SATA 200GB and 160GB
Supports 4 SATA H/Ds

Pioneer DVD+-/CD RW`

O/S Windows XP SP2

S4PE 4.01
FL Studio 4
Steinberg VST5
Various EMU and other SoundFonts

MS..... Sonar CPU %. Windows Task Manager CPU %
1.5...... 88-97.......... 14-18
2.9...... 57-64.......... 18-23
5.8...... 42-46.......... 25-31
11.6.... 34-37.......... 23-28
23.2.... 31-33.......... 25-29
46.4.... 28-30.......... 29-33

Using WDM Drivers

I am very pleased with this system

Does anybody know why there is a difference in Sonar's CPU usage compared to the Windows Task Manager?
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/26 10:51:52 (permalink)
jamminji,

(Let's take this topic to another post so we don't clutter up the test results page) ok
what type of monitor are you using? Most digital monitor's will adjust and it could be as simple refreshing your monitor back to default settings. Typically if your screen space is skewed or strecthed it still keeps everything on there but it's worth a try.
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/26 13:07:57 (permalink)
CPU: Intel Pentium 4 2.8GHz 800MHz FSB
HyperThreading Enabled

Computer Sony VAIO PVC-RS612

RAM: 1gig 3200DDR

Video: ATI9200 series (On Board)

Sound: SoundMax 512 (OnBoard)

Hard Drive: 250gig WD 7200rpm 50gig free

Pioneer DVD+-/CD RW`

O/S Windows XP SP2

S4PE

WDM/KS drivers w/POW-r3 Buffers 2
(will not stay set- unreliable) Can not get less then 10ms

MS..... Sonar CPU %
10 ...... 46%
20 ...... 40%
30%.... 38%
40 ...... 36%

Getting an audiophie 2496 this week. Will retest then.

Thanks - WireRage that did it! I had to take the resolution up to 1280x768 to finally set the meters... ODD but at least I can do the test now...hehe

jam
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/26 22:29:19 (permalink)
Okay... fixed my problem. Here are my new numbers:

New DAW:

AMD Athlon 64 3700+ 1MB L2 Cache Clawhammer Core
MSI K8N Neo Platinum 754 Socket nForce3 250GB Chipset
1024 400DDR OCZ EL Platinum Revision 2 Dual Channel
WinXP Professional SP2 with Sonar 4.0.1PE entered as DEP exception
Jaton nVIDIA GeForce MX4000 Video Card, 128MB DDR, Dual VGA
80gb Seagate ATA-100 7200rpm OS/pgm drive (Partitioned 40/40)
160gb Seagate SATA 7200rpm audio drive
Plextor PlexWriter Premium 52x32x52 CDRW
Antec Sonata case 380W Silent Technology power supply and cooling
2 16 Channel Zaolla analog cables in and out of converters
2 16 Channel Apogee AES/EBU cables in and out of DAW
1 Lynx AES16 digital interface w/ AD-16/DA-16 Apogee converters
1 RME Digiface PCI digital interface for ADAT optical transfers
2 UAD-1 powered DSP PCI cards v3.7
1 MOTU MIDI Express XT (USB interface)
1 Mackie Control Universal
2 Mackie Control Extenders

Results:

23.2 = 24%
11.6 = 27-28%
5.8 = 31-34%
2.9 = 39-42%
1.5 = 54-60%
0.7 = 86-88%

---

That's more like it. I'm a happy guy!

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/26 22:50:29 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: SteveD

Okay... fixed my problem. Here are my new numbers:

New DAW:

AMD Athlon 64 3700+ 1MB L2 Cache Clawhammer Core
MSI K8N Neo Platinum 754 Socket nForce3 250GB Chipset
1024 400DDR OCZ EL Platinum Revision 2 Dual Channel
WinXP Professional SP2 with Sonar 4.0.1PE entered as DEP exception
Jaton nVIDIA GeForce MX4000 Video Card, 128MB DDR, Dual VGA
80gb Seagate ATA-100 7200rpm OS/pgm drive (Partitioned 40/40)
160gb Seagate SATA 7200rpm audio drive
Plextor PlexWriter Premium 52x32x52 CDRW
Antec Sonata case 380W Silent Technology power supply and cooling
2 16 Channel Zaolla analog cables in and out of converters
2 16 Channel Apogee AES/EBU cables in and out of DAW
1 Lynx AES16 digital interface w/ AD-16/DA-16 Apogee converters
1 RME Digiface PCI digital interface for ADAT optical transfers
2 UAD-1 powered DSP PCI cards v3.7
1 MOTU MIDI Express XT (USB interface)
1 Mackie Control Universal
2 Mackie Control Extenders

Results:

23.2 = 24%
11.6 = 27-28%
5.8 = 31-34%
2.9 = 39-42%
1.5 = 54-60%
0.7 = 86-88%

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That's more like it. I'm a happy guy!


Steve,

Glad you got it worked out. What was the problem?

JD
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/26 23:26:05 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: SteveD

Okay... fixed my problem. Here are my new numbers:

New DAW:

AMD Athlon 64 3700+ 1MB L2 Cache Clawhammer Core
MSI K8N Neo Platinum 754 Socket nForce3 250GB Chipset
1024 400DDR OCZ EL Platinum Revision 2 Dual Channel
WinXP Professional SP2 with Sonar 4.0.1PE entered as DEP exception
Jaton nVIDIA GeForce MX4000 Video Card, 128MB DDR, Dual VGA
80gb Seagate ATA-100 7200rpm OS/pgm drive (Partitioned 40/40)
160gb Seagate SATA 7200rpm audio drive
Plextor PlexWriter Premium 52x32x52 CDRW
Antec Sonata case 380W Silent Technology power supply and cooling
2 16 Channel Zaolla analog cables in and out of converters
2 16 Channel Apogee AES/EBU cables in and out of DAW
1 Lynx AES16 digital interface w/ AD-16/DA-16 Apogee converters
1 RME Digiface PCI digital interface for ADAT optical transfers
2 UAD-1 powered DSP PCI cards v3.7
1 MOTU MIDI Express XT (USB interface)
1 Mackie Control Universal
2 Mackie Control Extenders

Results:

23.2 = 24%
11.6 = 27-28%
5.8 = 31-34%
2.9 = 39-42%
1.5 = 54-60%
0.7 = 86-88%

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That's more like it. I'm a happy guy!


Steve what was the problem.
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/26 23:32:30 (permalink)
Hey SteveD - glad to see you found the problem.

Can you please tell us what you did / fixed / changed ?

Tim
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/26 23:43:59 (permalink)
SteveD,

What does entered as a DEP exception mean?
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/27 02:06:01 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: WireRage

SteveD,

What does entered as a DEP exception mean?


DEP stands for "Data Execution Prevention". Modern x86 CPUs, such as all Athlon64s, all Opterons, and some Xeons and upcoming P4s support this in hardware. The idea is that it prevents many viruses from executing, by preventing code from being executed in data-only memory areas. Some applications break this rule (usually a result of sloppy programming), and must be excepted in order to work.

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/27 09:42:54 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: timboe

Hey SteveD - glad to see you found the problem.

Can you please tell us what you did / fixed / changed ?

Tim

Timboe and others...

I was just about to begin ripping out PCI cards so that I could start again from scratch. I thought I might also have to download the latest MSI driver, but the one that is installed is dated 8/24/2004. I thought that one should be current enough. But just in case I botched something in the BIOS, I selected the option to reset the BIOS back to the factory default settings for optimized performance. The system came up screaming fast.

I don't know what I did to create the performance bottleneck, so I went back into the BIOS and tried all the same tweaks and changes I had tried before and couldn't recreate the problem. However, when attempting to overclock the CPU, even moderately, my UAD-1 plugins would occassionally issue an internal hardware error and none of those plugins would work... even after rebooting, so I went back to the factory defaults and all is well. That's fine with me, because I had already made the decision to buy the fastest single processor I could so that I wouldn't have a need to overclock the CPU.

Hope this helps others.

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/27 12:54:30 (permalink)
Thx Scott & Steve
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/31 16:40:29 (permalink)
I wish I had written down my test results from S3.1.1 to compare 'cause I'm getting something weird in S4. I'm getting a respectable 44-52% @5.8ms but every 30 seconds or so I get a CPU spike at as high as 83%. Is that normal? Does it point to a setup problem? BTW- I disconnected the FW-1884 for this test and am running the Delta 44 in ASIO.

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2004/12/31 18:08:49 (permalink)
he he he... I still have the fastest DAW... neener neener neener!!

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/01/01 18:53:54 (permalink)
Bump

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/01/10 03:15:54 (permalink)
Hi all !

Meant to post these the other day when I posted my A64 939 O/C results. Amyhow, here goes:-

- Asus A8V Rev 2.0 Board
- A64 3200+ 939 .09nm Winchester CPU [ stock 10 x 200 ] 512k Cache
- 2 x 512 Corsair 512 XL @ 2/2/2/5/11/16
- Delta 66 @ .48a ASIO Drivers
- S3 Test in Sonar 4.0.1

Fully stable / tested O/C of 9.5 x 274 = 2.602gig with Zalman 7000 AlCu with AS3

Idle temp = 43'C
Load Temp = 58'C


1.5ms 64% <-> 66%
2.9ms 43% <-> 44%
5.8ms 32%
11.6ms 26%
23.2ms 23%
46.4ms 21%


As I noted in my other post, I cant wait for the 1mb Cache 939 .09nm A64's

Timboe
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/01/10 03:25:46 (permalink)
Hi Jay,
I'm currious why you disconected the fw1884
becuase I'm considering getting either one of those or an 828mkII..

Is the fw1884 not as effcient as the Delta?
Why not do the test w/ the fw1884?

Thanks,
Tomek.
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/01/10 06:30:04 (permalink)
Hi Jay,
I'm currious why you disconected the fw1884
becuase I'm considering getting either one of those or an 828mkII..

Is the fw1884 not as effcient as the Delta?
Why not do the test w/ the fw1884?


tomek: Sorry to confuse the issue - I only mentioned the FW1884 because it appears in my signature and I didn't want those who might offer advice to have to deal with another variable. I get the same result with the FW1884, so I just unplug it when doing any software troubleshooting.

I have not had a response to my issue yet.

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/01/10 07:23:03 (permalink)
Jay,
thanks for the response.

I've read on this forum that
cpu spikes occur with intel cpus
if my memory serves me correctly.
(as well as other reasons)

Have you had a chance check
any of those variables?

Background process perhaps?
Sharred IRQ maybe?
Could be lots of stuff!
Good luck,
T.
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/01/11 12:09:46 (permalink)
Thanks tomek. I think I found the problem as I checked some of the background processes. I noticed that alg.exe was using RAM intermittently. My DAW is dedicated to DAW and not connected to the internet so I had set alg.exe to "manual". When I turned it off during Scott's test I did not have more CPU spikes. Obviously someting is calling alg.exe - I just have to figure out what it is and hopefully I can disable it.

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/01/11 18:00:43 (permalink)
IBM T-42 (1.7GHz Centrino), SoundMax native, Edirol UA-25, RME Fireface 800:
http://www.cakewalk.com/forum/tm.asp?m=339012&mpage=1&key=&anchor#339012
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/01/13 14:53:15 (permalink)
P4-3.2 HT
Asus P4S800D-E Deluxe motherboard
1 Gig PC3200 RAM
2 x 200 MB WD SATA Harddrives
M-Audio Delta 1010LT Sound Card ASIO
NVidia FX5700LE 256 MB Video Card
Win XP Pro -SP2

With HT
23.2ms - 30%
11.6ms - 33%
5.8ms - 46%
2.9ms - not available in ASIO
1.5ms - not available in ASIO

w/o HT
23.2ms - 34%
11.6ms - 40%
5.8ms - 67%
2.9ms - not available in ASIO
1.5ms - not available in ASIO
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/01/13 15:54:16 (permalink)
Hi Scott
Can you tell me inunder God what is the purpose of this test. It would seem to me you are a very knowledgable person so why dont you give all these people very simple advice... if you need power buy a big DAW or better still solve everybodys problems by telling them to buy a mac and use dp4 or protools
Running tests is something thats done at school, It has nothing to do with pro audio. the theory is simple your computer works or it doesent period.
So scott how about changing the TUNE and come up with something more valuable to newbys and pros alike.or is it that You consider Sonar and cake to be still at the testing stage and playing catch up?, perhaps your right.
Dont get me wrong here i have the utmost respect for you but please i think its time you moved on and change the tune


Shea
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/01/13 16:33:20 (permalink)
here's my results using ASIO - Delta 44 with 5.10.0.0048 drivers

Dell 4400 PC

46ms 55%
23ms 61%
20ms 63%
17ms 66%
11ms 74%
8ms 81%
5ms no engage
2ms no engage
1ms no engage

CPU-Z version 1.26.

Number of CPUs 1

Name Intel Pentium 4
Code Name Willamette
Specification Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.60GHz
Family / Model / Stepping F 1 2
Extended Family / Model 0 0
Brand ID 8
Package mPGA-478
Core Stepping D0
Technology 0.18 µ
Supported Instructions Sets MMX, SSE, SSE2
CPU Clock Speed 1594.9 MHz
Clock multiplier x 16.0
Front Side Bus Frequency 99.7 MHz
Bus Speed 398.7 MHz
L1 Data Cache 8 KBytes, 4-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L1 Trace Cache 12 Kµops, 8-way set associative
L2 Cache 256 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L2 Speed 1594.9 MHz (Full)
L2 Location On Chip
L2 Data Prefetch Logic yes
L2 Bus Width 256 bits



Mainboard and chipset
Motherboard manufacturer Intel Corporation
Motherboard model D845PT, AAA67829-304
BIOS vendor Intel Corp.
BIOS revision A02
BIOS release date 12/12/2001
Chipset Intel i845D rev. 4
Southbridge Intel 82801BA (ICH2) rev. 5

Graphic Interface AGP
AGP Status enabled, rev. 2.0
AGP Data Transfert Rate 4x
AGP Max Rate 4x
AGP Side Band Addressing supported, not enabled
AGP Aperture Size 64 MBytes



Memory
DRAM Type DDR-SDRAM
DRAM Size 512 MBytes
DRAM Frequency 132.9 MHz
FSB:DRAM 3:4
CAS# Latency 2.5 clocks
RAS# to CAS# 3 clocks
RAS# Precharge 3 clocks
Cycle Time (TRAS) 6 clocks
# of memory modules 2
Module 0 Micron Technology DDR-SDRAM PC2100 - 256 MBytes
Module 1 Micron Technology DDR-SDRAM PC2100 - 256 MBytes


Software
Windows version Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
DirectX version 9.0c


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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/01/13 18:23:49 (permalink)
Hi Shea,
I find this thread informative for upto date
information as to which hardware works and how.

Good for when you are in the market for a new DAW ;)

Perhaps it would be better in the hardware forum,
but I would like to see it keep going...

Take care,
Tomek.

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/01/15 12:18:15 (permalink)
Just a stupid question, maybe even asked before in this long thread:

Do I just run this test without any audio material in the tracks? There is no mention of this in Scott's instructions. It works and I get readings, but no sound of course.

I am asking because I use this to test an RME Fireface that has given me problems. It crackled, but kept running. Now with a new motherboard I have solved that. But another use for this Sonar Test is to test drivers/equipment boarding on dropping out. Since there are many figures here I have something to compare with, giving me an idea of what to expect. However, I feel that you should also listen to the quality of the sound produced to judge whether your setup is working properly or not. Right?
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/01/15 13:00:30 (permalink)
Ya...just load it and look at your CPU usage. This is just meant to benchmark your computer against everyone elses. I guess it's assumed you'll have good quality recording if your CPU usage is low.
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/01/15 15:04:34 (permalink)
Thanks, your benchmarks actually played a large role when I upgraded my motherboard and processor this week. Not knowing them I probably would have chosen P4, now I got an Athlon 64.
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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/01/15 17:21:44 (permalink)
jay steven,

hope this answers your question:
alg - alg.exe - Process Information
Process File: alg or alg.exe
Process Name: Application Layer Gateway Service

Description:
alg.exe is a part of the Microsoft Windows operating system. It is a core process for Microsoft Windows Internet Connection sharing and Internet connection firewall. This program is important for the stable and secure running of your computer and should not be terminated

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RE: New, Updated SonarTest 2005/01/15 21:03:25 (permalink)
You can't go wrong with the AMD64 processors, I love it so far. Before I upgraded to the AMD, I had a P4-2ghz Xeon Dual processor with SCSI drives and a gig of RAM, and the 64 blows it away! The dual processor is now used for far simpler tasks...

Just remember, if you decide to use SATA drives, use the Nforce3 controllers if you have them. What motherboard are you getting?
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