cparmerlee

vintagevibe
If you think anyone wants or needs Sibelius level notation in a DAW you don't understand the issue.  DAWs need usable notation.  That has nothing to do with stand alone notation programs.  They serve a different need.

I think you may be the one who does not understand.  All of Cakewalk's major competitors have made an investment in high-end notation.  There is a reason for that.
 
Many people may be perfectly happy using their DAWs for laying down tracks of their own creations.  That's terrific.  All DAWs are pretty good at that.  But increasingly, professional musicians, composers, and educators are integrating the DAW with the performance, either as live use of the DAW or through publication of the music created in the DAW.  Many universities have formal curricula on "Music Technology".  Some universities even offer majors in that field, and it includes synthesis, recording, and notation.
 
There is a convergence ahead, not unlike when recording hardware merged with sequencing software to become what we now know as the DAW.  It is a question whether Cakewalk will be a player or not.  I would suggest the companies that excel in this convergence will attract the professional musicians and producers and the other products will find themselves more in the garage band tier.  Nothing wrong with that, but it seems to me the Platinum is well above "garage band" level today and Cakewalk ought to be thinking about a strategy that will allow them to thrive as this next convergence takes place.
 
In simple terms, the convergence is composers who orchestrate in the notation world will seamlessly render their music using the most powerful DAW technology.  And people who compose interactively within the DAW will have a seamless pathway to publish their work as a high-quality manuscript.  That convergence opens the door to a whole new market of customers.

cparmerlee
 
The world of music continues to evolve.  I look at cats like Christopher Bill, a trombonist who is amazing in his use of Ableton, for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxODzxY6AvI
 

cparmerlee

swamptooth

cparmerlee
 
The world of music continues to evolve.  I look at cats like Christopher Bill, a trombonist who is amazing in his use of Ableton, for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxODzxY6AvI
 

 
Or Zoe Keating.. http://youtu.be/gyvhpVuPRRg

Love it.  Bill just used a notebook, and I can't imagine how he was able to hit all the right keys on Ableton.  Keating has an elaborate set of foot switches to control the DAW.
 
Musicians have wanted to perform like this forever.  I remember seeing trumpeter Bill Chase.  This was in the 70s when the state of the art was a variable magnetic tape loop.  He would set the decay to last about 4 iterations of the material and came up with some really interesting improvisations using that thing.  I had one of those tape loops.  I don't remember selling it.  I wonder where it is.

Jimbo 88
Technology is going to change and change drastically...notation will not and be the bridge to more advances.

Jimbo 88
Can't believe this thread is still alive.
 
Let's tweak Staff View and see how the market responds.  Betcha it will be positive.  It will lead to increased sales and long term stability.
 
Technology is going to change and change drastically...notation will not and be the bridge to more advances.
 
The Bakers would do well to bring Staff View up to speed.  Not a world class, printable score like Finale or Sibelius, but as a midi editor.

stratman70

dubdisciple
The assumption that those who don't  regulalry use the staff view cannot read or write music is pure snobby stereotyping. I have been reading music since 3rd grade and I know plenty of people with degrees in music who simply do not use it in their DAW. It's those kind of comments that have always lessened my sympathy for those complaining  about staff view.

Hmm, Thanks for pointing that out Dub.
 I posted above about not using staff view, but hoping for others it gets updated, etc, etc.
 
Although, Yes I can read music, about 20+ years worth-just don't use staff view.

komposer
I'm an onionskin+drafting pen (along with fountain pen) educated writer who has found that Sonar's notation is completely unusable. I can't do anything with it whatsoever.
 
I've used Melody Assistant and Harmony Assistant made by two brothers from France
 
http://myriadonline.com
 
because they work great and didn't cost much when I needed a software notation program to print multiple scores for classical commissions.
 
I can import midi and Music XML from Myriad into Sonar but nothing more.
 
I'd bet if Cakewalk asked the guys from Myriad what it would take to incorporate all of the minutia they've programmed into their software it would be too costly.
 
I just consider the two platforms independent with minimal crossover and deal with it. Or maybe Cake should give Didier and Olivier a call?
 

cparmerlee
 
It is a great product that is second to no other product in its category (ProTools might be considered a different category because of the hardware tie-ins.)
 

So I am willing to give Cake the benefit of the doubt with regard to their past statements.  Until now, the product and business have just not been stable enough to justify making notation a high priority.  Survival was the priority.
 
Having said that, they really do need to move forward now.

rebel007
I think that if Sonar was to give me a SV that did the basics quickly and easily I would never use Sibelius again.
I will vote in the feature request for a better SV.