dubdisciple
The assumption that those who don't  regulalry use the staff view cannot read or write music is pure snobby stereotyping. I have been reading music since 3rd grade and I know plenty of people with degrees in music who simply do not use it in their DAW. It's those kind of comments that have always lessened my sympathy for those complaining  about staff view.

You're right, even though that's not how I meant it, I apologize, I didn't mean to offend you.   It's probably related to the powerlessness I feel when it comes to having a notation editor in my DAW that works correctly.  

I'd also like to request improvements to the staff view. It's more useful than people think. I don't need the ability to print perfect notation, but it would be nice to have triplets that work and notation that you don't have to fight with. People are using it and more people would use Sonar if it had a better notation. There are composers who I'm sure would switch to Sonar if it had notation improvements, so I think even slight improvements would be beneficial for cakewalk and current customers.

I use tablature more than notation due to my personal preference to play guitar more than keys and I think that I can import my tabs into sonar and do things that way if I want to see what my tabs will sound like using the midi to play synths and such. I am thinking keyboardists have had it lucky over us guitar players who for many years could not record midi and build compositions using our guitars without having to spend major money on a roland guitar synth. That we can now play in that midi composition arena using our main instrument is sooooo cool and I am hoping you guys get a better staff view or at least a way to function using another notation editor that can be rewired into sonar. 

CadErik
 Also I still get midi "dropouts", press play and Sonar forgets to start and play many VSTis, one needs to stop playback and play again.

Dropped notes usually indicates too small a "Prepare Using nnn Millisecond Buffers" in Preferences > MIDI > Playback and Recording. Try increasing the value to 500 or 750.
 
edit: corrected path to setting

jsg
I suspect Cakewalk's user base consists of a small number of people who actually read and write music, so they've probably abandoned support for those who do use the staff view.
 
Jerry
www.jerrygerber.com
 
Count me as one of the literate. 
 
 
 

It won't. There has been at least one staff view thread after every release for some time. I don't know of a single user who does not want to see the staff view improved.

Kev999
Staff View is one of the most overlooked features of Sonar because people seem to think that you either use it OR you use Piano Roll View, not both. Really everybody should be using both, as the the two views each provide a different perspective. PRV is better for fine detailed editing, but SV is better for viewing the overall arrangement and seeing the bigger picture. If you have more than one screen then you can use them both together. Even as it stands, without any new improvements, SV is still very useful. I urge skeptics to try it.

Actually I use the event list for detailed editing, that and the context menu note properties in staff view and the controllers and tempo view.  I've never been able to see any advantage of the piano roll view.  But I expect CW to keep it up to date because it is an integral part of the program and many of their users like it.  Same with staff view, except while the PRV keeps getting updated and new features added, the staff view remains as is, they don't fix bugs and they keep "deferring it" to some future update in the future. 
 
A few posts up someone commented about how the code is so archaic that no one wants to touch it.  That sounds true, but the question is, how did they let it go on for so long, why wasn't CW incrementally improving, integrating and fixing the staff view all along? 

jsg

scook

CadErik
 Also I still get midi "dropouts", press play and Sonar forgets to start and play many VSTis, one needs to stop playback and play again.

Dropped notes usually indicates too small a "Prepare Using nnn Millisecond Buffers" in Preferences > Audio > Playback and Recording. Try increasing the value to 500 or 750.

The person quoted above says MIDI dropouts, not audio dropouts. Your advice is for audio. For MIDI dropouts, go to Preferences-MIDI-Playback & Recording-Playback-Prepare using  xxxx millisecond buffers.   I set mine at 1000.  I never have dropouts. 

Actually it is a typo the preferences path, your path is the correct one. There is no setting like that in the Audio preferences. Sorry for the confusion. I will correct my post.

jsg

Kev999
Staff View is one of the most overlooked features of Sonar...

Actually I use the event list for detailed editing...I've never been able to see any advantage of the piano roll view...

 
PRV is a good tool when dealing with notes that start or stop not exactly on the beat. A piano chord always consists of notes that don't hit exactly together and each have different velocity values. Zoomed in, you can tweak these details easily and accurately.

I guess that Event List View is another overlooked feature too. So I intend to try using these 3 views (ELV/PRV/SV) together side-by-side and see what the benefits are.

Jimbo 88
More Staff View stuff....
How hard would it be to make possible to transpose Chords?  Or make it easier to input Chords?
How hard is to allow staff view to display odd numbers of notes in a beat like septuplets?
I would think those two things would be very easy and make a lot of people happy.

FWIW, it's easy to transpose chords, select the chord then Process->Transpose. It doesn't change the inversion but you can transpose to any interval.
Unfortunately you might be stuck manually inputting multiples of 137 to get septuplets for a while, let's get them to fix the basics first. :)
 

jsg

dubdisciple
The assumption that those who don't  regulalry use the staff view cannot read or write music is pure snobby stereotyping. I have been reading music since 3rd grade and I know plenty of people with degrees in music who simply do not use it in their DAW. It's those kind of comments that have always lessened my sympathy for those complaining  about staff view.

You're right, even though that's not how I meant it, I apologize, I didn't mean to offend you.   It's probably related to the powerlessness I feel when it comes to having a notation editor in my DAW that works correctly.  

Actually I apologize for overreacting.  I had just got finished dealing wit ha nissue where one of my students had a bad incident based strictly on sterotypes and then saw that.  Honestly, i do feel bad for those wanting improvements.  Although i think i understand why cake neglects it and i doubt it is the reason some of the people state. If cake was catering to the "loop crowd" they would not have been packaging the same loops for 7 years and would certainly have better sampling options.  There are probably just as many calls for ableton like features as there are for notation improvements.

dubdisciple
The assumption that those who don't  regulalry use the staff view cannot read or write music is pure snobby stereotyping. I have been reading music since 3rd grade and I know plenty of people with degrees in music who simply do not use it in their DAW. It's those kind of comments that have always lessened my sympathy for those complaining  about staff view.

great post dubdisciple, I am just like you. same thing.
I began reading and writing music when I was 11. and when in a jam, I still write it now to throw down a quick idea when im not near an instrument.
but for some to claim we can not read or write music and that's why we don't use SV is ridicules.
 
I've been hammered when giving my opinion about staff view in the past, so I will save a long drawn out example of why you should probably be using a notation software like Sibelius.
instead a short analogy. I wouldn't purchase a car expecting a professional stereo system, I would go somewhere they specialized in pro stereo systems and buy one. if not, I would expect a basic stereo system, which is what sonar has in it's staff view.

chuckebaby
you might be very impressed with what you can do with the PRV. it has become the standard among DAW's to work at a very fast rate.

I get that - I think PRV is VERY useful. 
 
I compose on guitar though.  I know the fretboard (notes) and staff.  I don't use staff to create the SOUND (ie with a guitar synth) but I use it to document my ideas.  I can then use it to sight read and play my guitar while I record it's audio.
 
When I compose on guitar - it sucks to use PRV.   I know I want eight notes, chords etc and I know how many bars I want etc and it's FAR easier to not to have to think "keyboard layout" notes vs immediately seeing the staff.  I also see chords etc FAR better on staff than PRV.
 
And as for using PRV to sight read - have you ever tried that?  It's impossible because the note vertical spacing is "piano spaced" and you need to look to the left to see the relation.  The 'shaded' strips dont work. Not to mention the information in the 'note head' is FAR quicker than trying to use the 'length' of a PRV note to determine what the duration is.
 
I actually LIKE a lot of what I can do with the CW staff view.  But it could definitely use a fresh coat of paint.