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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 18:35:20
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A driver is a driver Beep. I feel your pain but that is the price we pay for having choices.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 18:39:02
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timidi
1: We are here to try to help each other
2. Several folks here have indicated a willingness to assist you, but you have to provide us with enough information to determine potential areas of interest - where things that could cause problems exist within your configured environment.
3. Please elaborate on exactly what you mean by 'audio only machine' - obviously it's been tweaked for audio processing, but tweaked how? Sometimes innocent changes can cause trouble with other things. Maybe if we can review your environment in better detail we can spot something that would help.
4. Nobody can stop you from churning out messages about how bad things are working for you, and how unfair it is that something should be able to work outside of Sonar and whatever else, but if you want to get some help fixing your problems, you need to get past that stuff and give us the information we ask for, so that we can help.
So, what's it going to be? The ball is surely squarely in your court.
I stand ready to help, and I would venture to say that others remain so as well,
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 18:42:10
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Beepster
Somewhat off topic but it really annoys me that in this day and age we have to watch out for video card mayhem when working with audio. It just shouldn't be a concern in my mind. I'm not playing friggen' Halo or whatever the heck kids are up to these days.
Pong crashed my system the other day.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 18:46:29
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@John... Bah. It just needs to show the darned crud on the screen. I think all this constantly fiddling and faddling with stuff that has nothing to do with the end goal is unnecessary, yanno? People were recording quality material on Amigas and the like back in the day. That kind of thing happens just to keep the money flowing and justify people's jobs. I may seem like a happy go lucky guy but here's a perfect example of how I'm actually a crusty curmudgeon IRL. I get very upset about these little barriers that to me have no real value and I will and do crank about them. I just don't have much to complain about with Cakewalk so you guys don't see it as much. That speaks volumes to the company and their product. If it truly was as bad as some make it out to be I'd be screaming bloody murder. And now back to our regularly scheduled wide eyed Beepster enthusiasm. ;-)
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 18:47:47
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@bapu... I had a Pong deck as a kid. It... was... da... BOMB!
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 18:53:15
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Timidi - please read: I looked at the specs you listed above, and according to the ASUS site: 1. Your listed bios is 1704. The current bios revision for that motherboard is 3507. The 3507 release and the one before it look like they address stability issues. Maybe there is something there - please consider updating your system bios to the current level offered by ASUS. In fact, I lookat all of the bios revisions releasde since 1704, and MANY of these deal with system stability. Here is the link I found for ASUS updates for your motherboard: http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8P67/#download Perhaps you could also review other component upgrades and make sure everything is patch current. We will stand together to support each other - it's why we are here in this forum - connected users of a common DAW. We will try to provide helpful information. I think it is also safe to speak for others here to say that most will only invest time and effort on someone's individual problems if the individual posting the problems is willing to invest in finding a solution as well. Make a choice and we will respond or not accordingly, Bob Bone
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 18:56:37
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Oh yeah... I forgot about the ASUS BIOS updates. You gotta get those. I spent a LOOOOOONG time updating my ASUS MOBO thingies. Just don't install the AI suite BIOS monitor. It's garbage and REFUSES to be uninstalled. It's one of the reasons I want to completely wipe my system at some point. Even CCleaner won't get rid of it and there are tons of complaints online bemoaning this fact. The actual BIOS, USB, Firewire, etc updates are imperative though.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 18:58:01
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and I'll say I like timidi. He's a good feller and good fellers deserve to have X2 being awesome for them. Cheers.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 19:02:29
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See? We care - now let's get your system fixed.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 19:02:33
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Tim,
If you look at my sig you'll see that I too have a similar setup as you. Different video card (I have Nvidia) , sound card is Echo Mia, and memory is a different brand but 16 gig (4x4). But same MB and CPU.
So far my system has been running X2 pretty stable. I have had some quirks with the audio engine sometimes just stopping during playback. But little things like that doesn't bother me that much since I know the bakers are still tweaking things for more updates...per everyone's bug reports.
But problems as drastic as yours definitely has something to do with a clash somewhere in your PC...most likely a driver.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 19:49:29
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Ted: if it aint broke i dont fix it...but I do agree hes many bios revs behind !!
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 19:59:35
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And if that ends up resolving most/all of Timidi's crashes, then it's down to the subjective aspect of what X2 is instead of its overall stability.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 20:10:30
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stevec: x-2 is stable here , there are a few users having issues , the 1st thing I do is chk. system updates ..bios chipset video, that being done , we can then further troubleshoot any issues .. btw this can be a setting in the bios causing him issues too !!
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 20:10:40
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I'll check out the bios and video driver.
Thanks guys. I'm feeling all purflect......
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 20:24:25
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Beepster
Somewhat off topic but it really annoys me that in this day and age we have to watch out for video card mayhem when working with audio. It just shouldn't be a concern in my mind. I'm not playing friggen' Halo or whatever the heck kids are up to these days.
not with high intense graphic gui's. its almost like a video game bro.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 20:24:30
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As for the Breverb VST ... I agree with you 100%. If it's advertised as a VST ... it should work in any host. That's the entire point of VST's. If they don't want their VST's to work with anything else, then offer them as Pro Channel modules only, or say ... "This is a proprietary VST that only works with Sonar."
I think it's fine to lock a VST to a host, just so long as the vendor makes it very clear in their advertising. I.e. " Breverb for exclusive use in Sonar X2 Only" I guess the fact they call it "Breverb Sonar" is a clue, but it should be made perfectly clear.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 20:39:52
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Silicon Audio
As for the Breverb VST ... I agree with you 100%. If it's advertised as a VST ... it should work in any host. That's the entire point of VST's. If they don't want their VST's to work with anything else, then offer them as Pro Channel modules only, or say ... "This is a proprietary VST that only works with Sonar."
I think it's fine to lock a VST to a host, just so long as the vendor makes it very clear in their advertising.
I.e. "Breverb for exclusive use in Sonar X2 Only"
I guess the fact they call it "Breverb Sonar" is a clue, but it should be made perfectly clear.
That was my point AND MAINLY that it is not available in 8.53 ( Which, BTW IS SONAR)
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 20:43:25
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stevec: x-2 is stable here Same here!
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 20:43:38
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OK Timidi - let us know when you have your bios updated, and if your video needs it as well.
Then we can get to work on getting you stable,
Bob Bone
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 20:49:00
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The only things that have not been stable here are dimpro with drum grooves: 100% crash rate and TH2 in the prochannel not changing windows if a preset is changed.....if it's docked, crash. If it's not docked you can just close the window and start over (or if there is no window open). Neither are huge because you can workaround them. But I feel your pain, it's frustrating when things don't work.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 20:57:26
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@chuck... Yeah, I know. I just think they could make most of that stuff not be quite as vid resource intensive. The crazy stuff like the stereo field analyzing whatsamawhosits and the like is understandable but simple waveforms shouldn't be crippling people's systems. They just need to spend an extra bit of time tightening up the graphics performance of this stuff so it's more accessible, yanno? Hope you've been well.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 21:02:55
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chrisharbin
The only things that have not been stable here are dimpro with drum grooves: 100% crash rate...
Interesting... I'm having the same thing happening with the DimPro drum grooves. Not a 100% crash rate, but there are enough grooves that do crash my system that I just don't go near that folder... all other DimPro patches seem to work just fine.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 21:10:07
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I never use the DimPro grooves... are they REX files?
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 21:10:22
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@rcrees: Yeah, most dim pro stuff seems to be ok. Btw, this happened in EVERY version of sonar and reaper, for the last nearly 3 years. Also, others have reported it in the past, and also this is a clean install. If the sfz player would play them, I could live but what really bugs me is what little I hear of the grooves makes me think I'd really like them!!!!!!!!!!! Anyways, back to your regular programming.......
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 21:39:24
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timidi
I'll check out the bios and video driver.
Thanks guys. I'm feeling all purflect......
And Win 7 updates as well.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 21:47:06
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Beepster
@chuck... Yeah, I know. I just think they could make most of that stuff not be quite as vid resource intensive. The crazy stuff like the stereo field analyzing whatsamawhosits and the like is understandable but simple waveforms shouldn't be crippling people's systems. They just need to spend an extra bit of time tightening up the graphics performance of this stuff so it's more accessible, yanno? Hope you've been well.
always good to hear from you my friend...i know exatly what your talking about when it comes to just waveforms..only prob is,there is so much more..even just in the track view.,the pro channel believe it or not is pretty video intence as is the console when a few PC's are expanded. and lets not forget its also using windows aero.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 21:48:02
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I would pay more than TWICE the upgrade price of X2 Producer for Cakewalk to instead fix bugs in X1. Unfortunately, I have lost a lot of confidence in Cakewalk's ability to find bugs in their own software before releases. I just wish Cakewalk development schedules would just slow down and allow them to do things better than to get the latest and most competing features, or that a budgetary decision would be made to ramp up Beta testing and bug-hunting vs. researching things like Pro-Channel plug-ins. My 2 cents.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 22:01:01
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That was my point AND MAINLY that it is not available in 8.53 (Which, BTW IS SONAR) I was kind of surprised by that as well, it won't even load in X1. But it is what it is. Dan
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 22:02:50
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Hey Tim!
Just keep using what you have been using, because it must work for you. I could buy X3 and my stuff would still not sound anything like your mixes do. Just sayin'
Just because you have the latest and greatest, dosn't make it sound any better if you don't have the skills, like you do.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 22:03:09
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tomixornot
timidi
I'll check out the bios and video driver.
Thanks guys. I'm feeling all purflect......
And Win 7 updates as well.
And break it some more ??
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