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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 22:31:39
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Timidi - we have looked at your system specs, and have nicely asked you to get your system up to date, which it is not, followed by several of us indicating a willingness to help get whatever is left broken after that fixed.
The 'break it some more comment' is a bit condescending, considering we've put more effort into this than you have, at this point.
Now, last time for me asking - do you want help fixing this or not? If you do then quit griping and complaining and do the things we are asking of you - basic things - and we will try to help.
If you aren't willing to do that, then don't waste people's time in this forum simply complaining for complaining's sake.
My system works - and so does the person who has a very similar system to yours. We have applied basic maintenance to our systems and have asked you to do the same. In the link I sent you earlier, ASUS indicates in MANY places that the SEVERAL bios releases you are behind in applying FIX stability issues.
Grow up or don't - your choice. I'll still help you - but if you post anything other than a 'ok I have applied the updates, now what do we do' kind of post then you are on your own.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 22:45:53
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timidi- i know you don't mean any harm, but the explanation as to why it won't work in 8.53 is simple, it is licensed to X2 the same way many other included products were tied to previous versions. the pantheon reverb will work in X2, but you must install it via the 8.53 installer and technically have 8.53 installed even if you install nothing else. Overloud is not going to retroactively license their product to previous editions because it is not in their best interest to do so.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 22:54:33
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I would pay more than TWICE the upgrade price of X2 Producer for Cakewalk to instead fix bugs in X1. Unfortunately, I have lost a lot of confidence in Cakewalk's ability to find bugs in their own software before releases. I just wish Cakewalk development schedules would just slow down and allow them to do things better than to get the latest and most competing features, or that a budgetary decision would be made to ramp up Beta testing and bug-hunting vs. researching things like Pro-Channel plug-ins. My 2 cents.
So you just joined this forum on 10/5, this is your first post, but you've probably been a long time user, correct? If you have a problem with what you consider "bugs" you should ask for help and post your issues asking others first, don't ya think? I think Cakewalk does a fine job and this is one of the only forums where you MAY just have one of the dudes that created the program send you a pm to help you through your issues. But no one can read your mind. Granted, there are legit bugs...but have you ever thought for a minute how many systems and configuration possibilities there are? I work for a few companies doing beta work. Here's an example. In one of the companies I test for, (which we tested extensively) we released what we thought was the pefect program...or at least as perfect as we could get it. We have programs that run that log bugs as we test. We tested until all 60 beta testers were no longer receiving error messages or any kind. We used both an intense script of testing certain areas that was created for us as well as using the program the way we normally use it. This is a pretty famous piece of software mind you, so there is a reputation at stake. When we released, there were bugs that others found that we couldn't believe got by us. One was a show-stopper, the others were just annoying. We lived this program and the testing of it for a long time. We were so depressed feeling we failed as testers, the company we worked for had to chime in to calm us down. I have no clue how Cakewalk runs their business or handles their testing procedures, but they are more famous than this other place I test for and I'm sure they have way more things going on behind the scenes as well as more resources. If you read these forums, since X2 was released, there were quite a few threads that started as "bug found" that ended up saying "resolved" because of user error or someone simply not knowing about something and they were later informed or taught something new. That of course doesn't sweep legit bugs under the carpet, but if YOU personally have had issues with Sonar, it would have been nice to see 20 posts from you asking us to help you instead of your first being a negative opinion...even if it was well worded and taken as you meant it. It's not like you had issues like guys like Bub had that have been asking for help or legit fixes on specific things or Mike V who has been a long time Sonar user that couldn't even use X1 until patch c. Those guys in my opinion, as well as Tim here who is a respected user as well as a great engineer, would have a reason to rant. So if you have issues, try this forum. The users here are some of the best tech support you will ever find when it comes to Sonar. I say that from experience as they have helped me faster than sending a ticket to support on all occassions but 2. What you think is a bug, may not be a bug at all. If it IS truly a bug, no one has any bones about admitting to it...and I'm sure the Bakers would like to see it fixed. All of the above said, have you had a gander at the Cubase, Pro Tools or Logic forums? Safe to say they are in worse shape than we are...and you will just about NEVER see someone that represents the company show up in your pm box. Sonar is not perfect...but to me, it's more perfect than anything else out there for what *I* need out of an audio program...and part of that, is due to this forum and how it has helped me from Cakewalk 3.0 to present Sonar X2. Not trying to give you a hard time though in a sense it seems I am....it just bothers me to see new forum members with 0 posts, start off their time here with something that very well could be fixed by allowing us into your world. Something to think about. -Danny
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 22:58:29
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My story may change when I get settled in to my new place and hook my Fast Track Ultra back up ... Working great here. However, Windows 7 updates and M-Audio aint working great. Driver drops with power saving options. Not Sonar's fault. Brian
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 23:09:43
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Brian, can you uncheck the box in the hub your driver (interface?) is connected to that allows windows to turn device off to save power?
I did that for all my hubs, and I never lose any devices - maybe that will help you?
I would also like to circle back to waiting for Timidi to figure out what he wants out of his thread and put this stuff into a new thread - just to keep this one clean
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 23:10:05
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Hey Tim: Be careful with that bios thing. I had a discussion with Jim Roseberry about this...and he's someone I hold in the highest regard as far as computers go. His advice to me was "don't mess with your bios unless you truly have to and something is wrong".
That said, I have a hard time feeling someone would need to update their system bios because of one program. Though it can definitely play a role is fixing issues IF you have issues, I don't feel you should have to resort to that just yet. There may be something you're missing somewhere that we might be able to get to the bottom of before you mess with the bios. I know for sure after talking to Jim, I will never go down that road unless I have to. I have a great system that I bought from him that is several versions behind in bios now. He told me "no" and no it is for me. I figured the additional enhancements may make my system perform a little better. But it's not broken, so I'm not touching it.
Jim also told me "you will either see no performance increase and stay the same, or you may make things worse." That's enough for me to not even go there. Then again, if there IS something in your bios that would fix the issues you are having, I would let that advice come from someone that knows for sure brother. That is not to take away from the people that have given you this advice as some of them are definitely respected in what they've shared. However, the last thing you want is your system to go down. Even if you backed everything up and could get it back to where it is...do you really have the time for that?
As for Windows updates....I feel your pain. Though I've never had any issues with updating "important" updates, the "Recommended" updates have screwed me several times to where I had to ignore them and do a system restore. One time one of them just would not update my system throwing me into a loop to where the machine would not boot. I had to boot up in safe mode using network mode, let it scan to where it found nothing wrong and then it allowed me to boot and do a system restore. So yeah, you definitely have to be careful with them. One thing that has helped me (which can be time consuming when you do win updates) is to do them one at a time. This way if you have a problem, you know what update caused it. I never do a big load of them anymore and try to check for updates every 2 weeks to a month so this big bundle isn't waiting for me.
Anyway, I hope you sort out your issues. I would just be a little cautious in how you go about solving them though. Maybe see if Noel can give you a little advice or something or fill out a support ticket and use 8.5 until you can find out what your options are. But to me personally....the day I have to update my bios due to one program...is the day I get rid of that one program or I find out if in fact that for sure it is my bios that need to be updated.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 23:19:53
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Danny - I agree with you in general that bios updates are to be really done if there are issues.
In Timidi's situation, he indicates that there are massive stability issues, and while Sonar is only 1 program, his particular computer is configured for pretty much only recording and audio processing. In addition, the motherboard manufacturer's download page for his motherboard clearly indicates that for at least 2, and I think all of the bios updates he is behind were released specifically to address stability issues.
Lastly, another individual has a quite similar machine, and is not experiencing these kinds of issues.
Adding the above up, I believe that updating the bios on TImidi's machine to be a warranted step towards resolution.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 23:34:31
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Danny Danzi
As for Windows updates....I feel your pain. Though I've never had any issues with updating "important" updates, the "Recommended" updates have screwed me several times to where I had to ignore them and do a system restore.
Every time I do a fresh install and do the Windows Updates ... I always forget myself and do that damn Net 4.0 update. Did it to myself again a couple days ago ... grrrr. I don't know what that Net 2.0/3.0/4.0 stuff is, but I do know that the Net 4.0 thingamabob slows my web browsing to a screeching halt and noticeably slows down program loading times. I can download files at normal speed, but web browsing is significantly slower. I'm tempted to just do a fresh install of Windows 7 and never update it ... but then I read horror stories about security problems and feel like I have to do updates. It's crazy, there's hundreds of updates ... and I think it comes to around 2GB all totaled. Just when you think you're done, there's another 50 updates to update the update that you just updated to. AHHH! 
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 23:53:10
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It's a nightmare to be sure. The NET updates are a framework collection of routines that manage applications written for the .NET framework. Sounds silly - but it used to be that each programmer had to write a lot of routines just to do a bunch of common tasks. One of the more dangerous sets of stuff was deletion of stuff from memory that was no longer used. This exposed systems to a lot of potential for badly written routines to cause havoc on systems.
To address this, Microsoft implemented the .NET framework. It does a lot of that behind the scenes stuff for programmers, and is a lot more stable for systems in the process of doing that.
The end - patching still sucks, but for Timidi I think he should apply the bios updates and revisit the state of things on his system after doing that.
Right now his system is unstable and not usable with X2, so I think it a good place for him to start, in terms of moving toward some improvement to his situation.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/06 00:00:24
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timidi
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timidi
I'll check out the bios and video driver.
Thanks guys. I'm feeling all purflect......
And Win 7 updates as well.
And break it some more ??
I've updated bios once, following the advise from Intel site, saying it will better support a new memory configuration, to which I'm using. I let my system do auto update on display drivers. I'm using both Radeon and Nvidia cards, not that I intentionally mix them, but due to a purchase mistake, I'm in lack of one display port, so rather than buying a third better card, I just add both, tested it and works. So far, it is problem free. Display drivers update solved an issue I had in X1. For Windows update, as Danny mentioned, I also had the update loop problem that won't get past. After understanding this issue by reading the forum, I just do one update at a time and problem solved. For me, X2 upgrade is just like another X1 patch, relatively problem free. I had one crash, due to a 32 bit vst, which I'm unable to duplicate upon reboot. And one minor 'now time' missing issue, to which support had accepted and pass to development. Other than that, X2 is fine, finished a new project completely on X2. But then, I've been running X1 without any issue up to patch 'd'. I do hope you sort out the problem as your system looks very recent.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/06 04:54:38
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the point that seem so be getting lost in this thread is that, as frustrating as it is, the problem is likely rooted in drivers or some other software issue outside of cakewalk itself. If people are coming forward with similar configurations and not having the same experience it seems reasonable the OP's issues can be fixed if he is willing to take the time to get to the root of the problem instead of hoping the next update is a homerun. The infinite hardware/software configurations in windows vs a Mac really stands out during these times. mac has a much tighter control on hardware and is quick to abandon previous versions of the OS just so that they can make compatibility of the latest software easier to predict.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/06 06:24:44
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I have him blocked, and I've been a LOT happier. You should try it ... I can only imagine what drivel he slung your way. Probably something along the lines of defending steinberg or something stating that VST is not an open source ... and that is a total guess as I have him blocked and can only see two green lines ... but he usually just says the opposite of what you say just to royally piss you off ... Bub, please don't comment on a post you have not read.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/06 07:25:30
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Hey Tim
I have the Radeon 5450 and I think it's causing me a lot of problems as all of my crashes on X1 and X2 seem to be graphics related.
I did some research and most of the reviews of the 5450 mention that it's a lot slower than the cards it replaced in the ATI lineup and most other cards in its' price range with the same specs, memory, etc.
As soon as I can find the time and cash I'm gonna replace mine with an NVidia card.
Dunno if it will help me or you but to me it's worth checking out because I really like X1 and X2 and if changing a (relatively) cheap video card will smooth things out I'm all about that.
Good luck bud, and keep making that great music!
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/06 07:42:48
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timidi
Specs: Audio only machine.
CPU
Intel I7-2600k SandyBridge
Mother board
ASUS P8P67 Rev 3.0 P67 B3 Revision
bios 1704
16 gigs Corsair Vengence (4X4gigs)
Video
ati Radeon HD 5450
driver date 5/24/2011
version 8.861.0.0
System drive WD
2 Seagate baraccuda drives
Win7 64
RME AIO Soundcard
Sandy Bridge is bad for audio...should still work without any crashes. Made any tweaks with your system? Disable AERO set to background scheduler and so on? XP tweaks on Win 7? this can might cause your problem.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/06 07:59:58
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John
I have him blocked, and I've been a LOT happier. You should try it ... I can only imagine what drivel he slung your way. Probably something along the lines of defending steinberg or something stating that VST is not an open source ... and that is a total guess as I have him blocked and can only see two green lines ... but he usually just says the opposite of what you say just to royally piss you off ...
Bub, please don't comment on a post you have not read.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/06 08:11:40
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Brain I think its best to let it go. Its a disruption and detraction to the thread. I do reserve the right to respond. I just wish there was no need to.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/06 09:06:13
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timidi. I am sorry you are having problems. X2 is the most solid version we have released to date and innumerable issues going back to 8.5 and much earlier were addressed as part of X2. The first thing I would do is make sure you are running the quick fix from here: http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2676642 That fixed a couple of issues that could lead to some seemingly random instability. If you are still seeing issues after that your best and fastest recourse would be to troubleshoot it with support. It might be an installation issue something very specific to how you use the program so it requires troubleshooting. The other thing to do is submit problem reports. That is the only way cakewalk can link back to you and know what specifically happened when your system crashed.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/06 09:16:55
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only time my system crashed I was using a gimicky synth like proteus rewired through reason. Free synths can be dangerous to use so it seems.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/06 09:19:05
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you can check if it's the synth causing the issue by using the synth in another host, thus ruling out the host
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/06 09:40:14
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Noel, Very impressed to see the CTO checking the forums. I'm the CTO of my IT based business. I'm going to share what I posted on another thread. The thread had to do with "latency and latent plugins". This is by no means a shot against Cakewalk, your support staff has always been helpful. I'm excited about the new features/functionality of X2, but not at the sacrifice of performance. I'm really hoping my results come back in favor of X2. (BTW, I am running the "Quick Fix") I've been a loyal Cakewalk customer for many years and really don't want to invest in another product. Here's my post. May come across negative, but these are my observations and how I approach things. Please take it as constructive.
I've been in the IT business for 40 years and the way I troubleshoot is "Process of Elimination". I'm tired of throwing $$ into hardware only to be disappointed. I also get tired of the "finger pointing" on where the problem lies. For the last time, I've purchased a PreSonus 1818VSL Audio Interface. They have their own software (Visual Studio Live) and there is a 3rd party iPad app called "Auria" from Wavemachine labs. So I'm going to try running both of these apps and if they outperform X2, then it is clearly an X2 issue and Cakewalk needs to step up to the plate and fix their product. Just so you know, I'm not using any plugins that aren't integrated into X2 and/or developed by Cakewalk. So, when you mention "latent plugins", I'm assuming you're talking "3rd Party"? If we are talking "BREVERB, R-MIX, Console Emulator, or any of the other Cakewalk developed plugins, then I have a real problem with that. Don't give me all the "Marketing Hype" to sell me X2 when it comes with "latent riddled" plugins. Feel me?
I've been using Cakewalk products for years even before the branding SONAR came to market. I've removed any potential bottleneck from my DAW by disabling unnecessary apps (i.e. A/V, Disk Defragmentation software, etc) and even disabled CPU core parking. My quest for the "Holy Grail" is to have a system I can use in the studio as well as on the road (live gigs), without the latency. If I come the the conclusion that an iPad (of all things) can work with my PreSonus 1818VSL or their own VSL software, I'm going to shelve X2 and be done with it. Software manufacturers (that includes Microsoft), keep developing products that require more resources ("FAT" software), versus other manufacturers that develop "resource friendly" products. My vote is with the latter.
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timidi. I am sorry you are having problems. X2 is the most solid version we have released to date and innumerable issues going back to 8.5 and much earlier were addressed as part of X2.
The first thing I would do is make sure you are running the quick fix from here:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2676642
That fixed a couple of issues that could lead to some seemingly random instability. If you are still seeing issues after that your best and fastest recourse would be to troubleshoot it with support. It might be an installation issue something very specific to how you use the program so it requires troubleshooting. The other thing to do is submit problem reports. That is the only way cakewalk can link back to you and know what specifically happened when your system crashed.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/06 10:04:00
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Hi Gio, Maybe you missed my reply on your other thread about this subject :) http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2684548 It should be straightforward to find out what is causing the delay. If my instructions don't help, contact me via a PM and either I or someone from support should be able to figure it out. SONAR on its own does not induce delay for sure - there is nothing in the mixer circuit that can cause this.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/06 10:12:19
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Thanks, Harpman.
X2 incorporated a huge number of fixes to a number of things that have been awry for quite a while. I will also say that I believe - so far - that X2 certainly outperforms X1, and that even beyond that that the corporate decision to completely redesign the user interface - (X1) show a complete and total commitment to the user experience.
Being in IT myself for about 38 years, you I am sure have seen time and time again where management refuses to fund things like redesigned user interfraces, because they believe it adds no functionality. And yet, Cakewalk flew in the face of that to completely rework the UI for X1, precisely for purposes of opening up the product to a wider consumer base - regular folks - who would find it MUCH easier to get things done with less of a learning curve.
X2 does have some bugs - all software does - but the very fact of seeing the CTO pop into a user thread on a weekend MORNING shows the level of effort they are putting into getting things right.
I have already completed some seriously complex projects in X2, with no problems whatsoever, and am quite happy to have it on my desktop.
On an unrelated note, I too have the Presonus AudioBox 1818VSL interface, and love it. I am curious about you taking your computer on gigs. Are you talking using it for performance or for doing live recordings? I ask because if you are using it for performance, I would suggest you check out a piece of software from a company called Brainspawn, called Forte. It is a VST hose shell, like an electronic rack, and I have used it for years for live performance. It supports really sophisticated layering of all kinds of soft synths, with effects, and is a dream.
Anyways - give X2 a good shaking - I think you will like it,
Bob Bone
Wisdom is a giant accumulation of "DOH!" Sonar: Platinum (x64), X3 (x64) Audio Interfaces: AudioBox 1818VSL, Steinberg UR-22 Computers: 1) i7-2600 k, 32 GB RAM, Windows 8.1 Pro x64 & 2) AMD A-10 7850 32 GB RAM Windows 10 Pro x64 Soft Synths: NI Komplete 8 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, many others MIDI Controllers: M-Audio Axiom Pro 61, Keystation 88es Settings: 24-Bit, Sample Rate 48k, ASIO Buffer Size 128, Total Round Trip Latency 9.7 ms
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/06 10:19:47
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bob, i'd like to respectfully say that in my own (only) 20 years of being a developer, management is more likely to "ok" ui changes as that's what the end-user (literally) sees - they don't see the under-the-hood stuff, and non-techies generally have trouble understanding what "clicking a button" actually does... imho
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/06 10:30:58
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Noel, Yes I did and replied to it. Please let me know your thoughts on my analogy.
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Hi Gio,
Maybe you missed my reply on your other thread about this subject :)
http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2684548
It should be straightforward to find out what is causing the delay. If my instructions don't help, contact me via a PM and either I or someone from support should be able to figure it out.
SONAR on its own does not induce delay for sure - there is nothing in the mixer circuit that can cause this.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/06 10:38:27
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I meant to specify in the mainframe environment - sorry.
Bob Bone
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/06 10:48:05
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Just to touch on what Danny posted... he is likely right in general about fiddling with the BIOS on a system that is already set up. I should mention that I updated all that stuff BEFORE installing all my programs and configuring the system for audio so there wasn't much that could get screwed up. I'm not sure what would happen if I had waited until now to do those BIOS updates. Perhaps nothing or perhaps it would start shooting ravenous hamsters at my head. I just don't know. However for my specific ASUS board which is very closely related to OPs (it might actually be the exact same model, I'd have to double check my model number but it is definitely the same series and I'm assuming the same BIOS) there was a little slip in the box PLEADING with the end customer to update the BIOS drivers from their site because there were known issues with the originals that, as Robert mentioned, caused instability. Perhaps best left to a computer guru at this point but if you are indeed using the the drivers that came on the disk or bought the board right when it came out you might want to get that looked at or maybe back up your data, wipe the system and start from scratch with the new drivers installed. Even better get a pro like Jim to look at it. The main difference between Danny's situation and OPs is Danny's system is working (as would be expected because it was set up by a specialist) whereas OPs system is NOT working for it's intended purpose which is running the modern versions of Sonar. Cheers.
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/06 10:56:03
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I'm hoping Timidi posts some sort of response today, so that we know if he has done anything with regards to the BIOS updates. I AM an IT specialist - 38 years - and believe the BIOS updates to be key for achieving stability.
There have been a number of posts by other folks here, but not so much from the one with the problems. It was last left with him to decide on whether or not to pursue upgrading his BIOS and potentially other things on his system, and he has yet to respond with any updates.
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Wisdom is a giant accumulation of "DOH!" Sonar: Platinum (x64), X3 (x64) Audio Interfaces: AudioBox 1818VSL, Steinberg UR-22 Computers: 1) i7-2600 k, 32 GB RAM, Windows 8.1 Pro x64 & 2) AMD A-10 7850 32 GB RAM Windows 10 Pro x64 Soft Synths: NI Komplete 8 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, many others MIDI Controllers: M-Audio Axiom Pro 61, Keystation 88es Settings: 24-Bit, Sample Rate 48k, ASIO Buffer Size 128, Total Round Trip Latency 9.7 ms
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/06 10:58:52
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Bob, Glad to see another "Egghead" out there. At least that's what my girlfriend calls me . You and I have been in the technology business for quite some time! I'm glad we have some common understanding. I don't want to diss X2 and I surely don't want to learn another product. Spent too many hours learning SONAR over the years. I understand where Cakewalk is coming from in their effort to capture more market share. People who use ProTools, Logic or Ableton always tell me its an easy interface to navigate. I don't know if I buy into that. I think it's all about the time invested to learn a product. I do applaud Cakewalk to making what I thought was a easy interface in X1, even easier. They do a great job on their videos (Brandon and Seth are the best!). I would love to get some feedback on the Presonis. I want to use it for both performance and live recording. In addition, I do live video streaming as well. Thanks for the tip on Forte, I will definitely check it out. I currently have a 32-Channel board that I drag to gigs (even a duo gig), and want to eliminate the load-in/load out time (back breaking). I have a 10u rack full of EQ's, Compressors, Crossover, FX, etc.). I would love not to carry that load to a gig if I can avoid it, especially for duo/trio formats. I'm curious on the Presonus - Are you using the ADAT with another device to give yourself more than 8 channels? I like that the 1st 8 XLR pre's are in the front and want to get another device that has them in the front as well. I currently have a 4U SKB rolling rack that houses my DAW and another SKB 6U rolling rack that will hold my Presonus. In that 6U I also have a 24-port patch bay, 4-port headphone amp. On the 1818, what do you set your ASIO control panel at and your ASIO buffer size? Noel had mention setting my ASIO buffer I/O to match the ASIO control panel, but that leads to disaster and locks up SONARPDR.exe. Keep in touch!!
robert_e_bone
Thanks, Harpman.
X2 incorporated a huge number of fixes to a number of things that have been awry for quite a while. I will also say that I believe - so far - that X2 certainly outperforms X1, and that even beyond that that the corporate decision to completely redesign the user interface - (X1) show a complete and total commitment to the user experience.
Being in IT myself for about 38 years, you I am sure have seen time and time again where management refuses to fund things like redesigned user interfraces, because they believe it adds no functionality. And yet, Cakewalk flew in the face of that to completely rework the UI for X1, precisely for purposes of opening up the product to a wider consumer base - regular folks - who would find it MUCH easier to get things done with less of a learning curve.
X2 does have some bugs - all software does - but the very fact of seeing the CTO pop into a user thread on a weekend MORNING shows the level of effort they are putting into getting things right.
I have already completed some seriously complex projects in X2, with no problems whatsoever, and am quite happy to have it on my desktop.
On an unrelated note, I too have the Presonus AudioBox 1818VSL interface, and love it. I am curious about you taking your computer on gigs. Are you talking using it for performance or for doing live recordings? I ask because if you are using it for performance, I would suggest you check out a piece of software from a company called Brainspawn, called Forte. It is a VST hose shell, like an electronic rack, and I have used it for years for live performance. It supports really sophisticated layering of all kinds of soft synths, with effects, and is a dream.
Anyways - give X2 a good shaking - I think you will like it,
Bob Bone
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/06 11:17:30
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wrt BIOS updates, quite often these can just be to support newer CPUs (rather than fix broken things) so always check the version change history to see if it's actually worth doing
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Re:Not too happy with X2
2012/10/06 13:28:51
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