Not too happy with X2

There do seem to be some bugs but it shouldn't be crashing THAT much. System specs? Have you tried the QuickFix yet? I have yet to install the fix (waiting until I finish my current project) but I'm hoping it solves my weird clip selection issue. It's driving me crazy! Otherwise I'm really liking X2. It makes X1 look like a pile of puke.

I've come to the conclusion that no software, no matter how well received in general is going to be free of people who find it buggy.  To the OP, I am sorry you are having problems but you are certainly not a beta tester.  X2 had plenty of beta testers who put the product through many rounds of intense testing to the point where cakewalk was confident they had a stable product...and it is for the most part.

for me X2 has been stable, but i'm not going to be shocked if i get a crash at some point in life.  i realize that does not help you, but it does illustrate that your experience is not universal. The way i see it, you invested the money, so you may as well invest a little extra time to perhaps sort why your experience is so different than mine.

BTW, I'm not claiming i have no issues, but the yare minor for the most part.  i did have to re-install dim pro and rapture, but once3 i got a feel for the best approach, it was relatively simple (tedious and redundant) but simple. For me, I totally uninstalled 8.53 and X1 completely.  Since you made a drive image, this is less of a gamble for you.  i also scrubbed my registry of all cakewalk entries, including plugins.  the fresh install went a lot smoother.

X2 is a huge improvement over X1 and you giving up so easily is kind oif cheating yourself out of the opportunity to experience the positive side of the upgrade.  i understand your frustration, but stockpiling unused upgrade after unused upgrade waiting for the "perfect' upgrade is making it more likely you will be disappointed with the next one as well.

Hey Dub. I'm glad it's working for you and that you like it.

Point is, I have better things to do than to try and search this forum or the net for answers to problems.
I've been there too many times. 

The other point is the false advertising that Breverb is a VST. Oh yea, it may be a VST in Sonar X2, but not anywhere else. Which, by default is a lie as VST is an open source protocol.

If anyone's keeping track of bugs, the preview bus in the loop browser is still broken. Actually it's broken worse than it used to be.

VST is an open source protocol? When did this happen? Steinberg owns it and licensees it. At least thats the last I heard.

John


VST is an open source protocol? When did this happen? Steinberg owns it and licensees it. At least thats the last I heard.

I believe that it's an open plugin format for developers (i.e. anyone can develop using the free VST SDK) - hence all the free VST plugins. I've even seen some free hosts (Minihost, Chistian Budde's Plugin Analyzer) so I wonder if there are licensing fees on either the plugin or host sides. Yes, Stienberg owns it and licenses it, but that doesn't make it NOT open.


I'm not a developer though, so I could totally be off base on that.

I'm pretty sure VST in this X2 context means that it can be loaded in the FX bin and not just the PC.   And although the marketing blurb really wasn't very explicit, it's certainly not the first VST format plugin to be locked to its host.
 

I'm not trying to dump on the OP.  I'm just trying to offer  another view for him to consider.  From his post it sounds like he made no investment in trying to fix anything.  Perhaps he spent months trying to get X1 to work and has too much frustration to have patience with X2.  i will admit if X1 never worked on your computer, it is unlikely that X2 will work properly.  Hence what i said about future upgrades. I know X1 did not work at all when i installed it but it turned out that it was bloatware from my computer causing havoc.  if i had just shelved X1, those problems would have manifested themselves on X2 and any future update. 

sound wisdom

 
Very apropros considering where we are.  

Well I'm not here to rag on anybody but when I bought X2 I expected to not use it at all until the first patch or at least saw that the forum folk weren't experiencing any major showstoppers. After the first week or so I saw most people were doing okay with it so I decided I'd give it a go and installed it... but I was cautious and made an system image beforehand and kept X1 installed to revert back to if X2 was too buggy. If it was I could keep working in X1 while the bakers fixed it. I agree that paying customers shouldn't be beta testers however extensive testing might jack up the price and make it less accessible to a broke arsed mayo fraggler such as myself. There are some bugs and yes they annoy me but so far I'd rather tolerate the little quirks than revert back to X1 because in my n00b opinion X2 is just a MILLION times easier to work with and I've been at my DAW non stop creating since I fired up X2. X1 was cool and all but it was a chore to work with at times and not as much fun. The point is if you keep the old version installed and have an image to rollback to if catastrophe strikes then there shouldn't be a problem. Even I know that early releases of Sonar inevitably need some patches (just like pretty much ANY program) before it becomes stable. Frankly I think X2 is MORE stable upon first release than X1 is after having four major patches released and being out for almost 2 years. Give it a chance. It is a very nice program and once they get the kinks worked out it's gonna SMOKE. I am FAR from a fanboi and will take any LEGITIMATE opportunity to cry foul but Cake has never really given me a reason to. For that I thank them. Cheers.

Specs: Audio only machine.

CPU
Intel I7-2600k SandyBridge

Mother board
ASUS P8P67 Rev 3.0 P67 B3 Revision
bios 1704

16 gigs Corsair Vengence (4X4gigs)

Video
ati Radeon HD 5450
driver date 5/24/2011
version 8.861.0.0

System drive WD
2 Seagate baraccuda drives

Win7 64

RME AIO Soundcard

Actually they came on b4 launch and told us that the X2 version breverb was for X2 only and you could pay $120 or supm like that to get the full verion of the vst but that it would not work in PC. I remember that and at this time want nothing to do with X2, but that's a different story. If i had it I'd definitely try it for a while and use what I need when customers come by.

timidi

John, you know what I meant.

I have him blocked, and I've been a LOT happier. You should try it ... I can only imagine what drivel he slung your way. Probably something along the lines of defending steinberg or something stating that VST is not an open source ... and that is a total guess as I have him blocked and can only see two green lines ... but he usually just says the opposite of what you say just to royally piss you off ...

Back to the subject at hand ...

So far X2 has been working great for me, especially after I did the Quick Fix.

I'm not mentioning this to bust balls, you know I would never do that to you ...

I'm saying it because, what your experiencing with X2 is exactly what I experienced with X1. All that stuff seems to have been fixed on my system with X2.

The only thing different is, I'm using a different sound card now ... I'm using the crappy onboard Realtek sound with ASIO4ALL drivers ...

My story may change when I get settled in to my new place and hook my Fast Track Ultra back up ...

So far I'm liking X2.

As for the Breverb VST ... I agree with you 100%. If it's advertised as a VST ... it should work in any host. That's the entire point of VST's. If they don't want their VST's to work with anything else, then offer them as Pro Channel modules only, or say ... "This is a proprietary VST that only works with Sonar."

As for the VST thing, the fact is that it is a VST and thus advertised as such.  Many of Sonar's (and other DAW and editor programs) plugins are proprietary VSTs and are not labeled as such.  Why anyone would expect this third party to be an exception is beyond me.  As i have previously stated, I'm quite sure the decision to lock it to sonar is was made by Overloud for obvious reasons.  If they allowed it to be used outisde of Sonar I guarantee the licensing fee would have been a lot higher.  it was included to be part of a bundled package and not as a way for non-sonar x2 users to obtain a product that Overloud does not sell as a separate entity.  If they were interested in selling a "Breverb Lite", i am sure they could easily do so on their own site.  These types of licenses allows them to expose their product without giving away the farm, make a little money in licensing fees and upgrades.

I still don't see how anyone can be surprised or feel deceived.  cakewalk has put the locks on most of their own plugins in recent years, even retroactively locking down effects that used to work in other programs.   Every third party VST program i can think of has been locked to Sonar except programs that the manufacturer offers a similar free or low-cost program already like guitar rig le.  if you though Breverb Sonar  was going to be an exception, you simply have not been paying attention.  Someone even pointed out that they announced it was tied to sonar long before release.

@indravayu... You made me think perhaps this is a driver issue. Maybe check to see all your device drivers are up to date, timidi. Which brings up another point what exactly are you doing when the crashes occur and what devices other than the sound card do you have hooked up to the system? Also what plugs/soft synths are you using and how do you have the Windows configured for audio? There are some optimization techniques that don't play well with Sonar and maybe they've become more pronounced with X1 an 2. Just a thought.

Somewhat off topic but it really annoys me that in this day and age we have to watch out for video card mayhem when working with audio. It just shouldn't be a concern in my mind. I'm not playing friggen' Halo or whatever the heck kids are up to these days.