SteveStrummerUK
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RE: O.T. GT FORUM CHAT?
2008/12/06 21:23:16
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You know Strummy, your are certainly falling down on the job, mate. No inquisition? No arguments? No quips at all? I say, old bean its time to get with the game! Chop,chop! come on now man! We can't let this thread die a ignoble death!
I have nothing worthwhile to say at the moment Doc.
Shall I just bump it for later?
I can't believe this nearly dropped off the edge 
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RE: O.T. GT FORUM CHAT?
2008/12/08 15:19:04
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I'll say. A bit reticent on your part, old bean.
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RE: O.T. GT FORUM CHAT?
2008/12/08 21:05:28
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It's a 25 page thread... gets kind of heavy.
Solzenytsin would be proud.
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RE: O.T. GT FORUM CHAT?
2008/12/09 12:46:33
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I think that John Cleese would be mortified with the mixing of English humour with good old Yankee redneck and city slicker humor.
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RE: O.T. GT FORUM CHAT?
2008/12/09 14:43:21
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I think that John Cleese would be mortified with the mixing of English humour with good old Yankee redneck and city slicker humor.
Ne'er a truer word spoken Doc  And Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn would surely approve of each and every one of Pete's contributions
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RE: O.T. GT FORUM CHAT?
2008/12/09 15:39:01
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RE: O.T. GT FORUM CHAT?
2008/12/09 18:05:31
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I think that John Cleese would be mortified with the mixing of English humour with good old Yankee redneck and city slicker humor.
Ne'er a truer word spoken Doc
And Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn would surely approve of each and every one of Pete's contributions
....as would Timmy Mallett.
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RE: O.T. GT FORUM CHAT?
2008/12/12 18:03:56
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STeve,
This is off the off topic but... I have played around briefly with Sonar and found out that I can load a synth and it shows up with each output on it's own track. I haven't found a way to do that it SHS. Sonar has a lot of trick that look promising but I'll need a lot of practice and paitence to get good at it. Thanks for letting me know about the $39 upgrade, it made my mind up on getting the product plus I can use SHS on a laptop to do remote tracking and have Sonar desktop for production work.
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RE: O.T. GT FORUM CHAT?
2008/12/13 18:14:32
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Hi there CJ If I'm reading your question right, your problem with multi-outs from the synths is most likely down to a known bug in HS7. They're working on it now mate - check THIS THREAD for the latest news on when we're getting the 7.01 patch to put it right. I'm glad you got the upgrade CJ - seriously though, if I were you, I'd put S8 on both of your computers! HS7 is a good entry product but, unless Cake are going to start changing SONAR around anytime now (which I doubt), I really see HS7 as a dead-end. You're better off learning SONAR 8 straight off in my honest opinion - I'm ditching HS7 now I've got S8, I can't see the point of running 'em both. BTW, I'm pretty sure the EULA alloes you to install SONAR on two different machines, providing you're not running them simultaneously. Steve
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RE: O.T. GT FORUM CHAT?
2008/12/13 19:22:48
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Copy that. You can have it (Sonar 8) on both machines, if you only run one at a time.
It's sad, really. Home Studio 6 was a solid performer, and SHS7 cut its legs off.
I started out with SHS4, and moved t SHS6XL. I was very pleased with those. As it stands, SHS7 is the best advertising Cubase has.
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RE: O.T. GT FORUM CHAT?
2008/12/14 15:11:03
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Bob, I still don't get it you know.
Although it soon became clear that HS7 was definitely not for me, I at least agreed with Cake that it would still stand on its own as a great entry level product to the Cakewalk family.
However, as I say above, it now seems to me that it's a dead-end product - there isn't a logical next step to SONAR. As a GT and HS6XL user, I'm finding S8 much easier to work with than HS7 because, although it's obviously more sophisticated, it's still very familiar.
From hanging around the MC forum, and from my previous experience of MCPro24, I'd say if I had a straight choice when I decided to upgrade from GT (for the MIDI thang) I'd would choose MC4 over HS7 everytime.
The one thing I'm glad about is that it did get me to SONAR a version or two earlier than I probably would have.
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RE: O.T. GT FORUM CHAT?
2008/12/14 15:43:23
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there isn't a logical next step to SONAR. That is what bugs me the most, Steve. GTP, MC, SHS6, and Sonar share a similar interface. Once you master the basics, it is relatively easy to move up, because the environment is familiar. Music Creator is the real entry level, and I am surprised they chose to alter a strong midrange product to make it more appealing to new users. I think allowing a user to choose between a "beginner" and "advanced" format might have been a good call. As it is, I don't see that SHS7 prepares a new user for Sonar, since you have to get used to a very different format. Not that moving to Sonar is required, but I think an entry level product should prepare a user for the more advanced version, if he/she feels that they need more advanced features. SHS6 provided some nice enhancements over SHS4. Sure, the learning curve was fairly vertical, but these were very powerful programs. They delivered strong performance and versatility, at an affordable price point. I'm sure SHS7 is fine for what it is, but I'm not convinced it's what it could have been. It seems somewhat of an orphan in the grand scheme of things.
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RE: O.T. GT FORUM CHAT?
2008/12/15 11:15:46
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Hmmmm. Is anyone a Cakewalk listneing?
I say this because I have to ask if Cakewalk would entertain a beta program for select users. I am sure there are some prereqs that they can come up with. But it sure would help them when looking at modifying a product so heavily. Better to know what the user opinion is before going all nip tuck on a product that has been a standby for so long....
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RE: O.T. GT FORUM CHAT?
2008/12/15 20:00:10
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Hmmmm. Is anyone a Cakewalk listneing?
If the are, then they just don't care. (unless you've bought their top of the line expensive products.)
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RE: O.T. GT FORUM CHAT?
2008/12/15 20:40:14
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Well, I have to admit that I don't see SHS7 as all that horrible a program. I like it way better than QBase. I am glad that I paid the extra $40 for Sonar though because it does seem more familiar than SHS7. So far I've managed to make both midi and audio tracks work which is father along than I though I might be by now.
To the point about SHS7 fitting in to the grand marketing scheme, I don't really see why they are offering what seems to be a version of Garage Band instead of an honest mid level version of Sonar either. I haven't looked at MC but it sounds like it's based around working with midi. If that's true then why don't they keep upgrading the entry level products, GT and MC, issue a dumbed down mid level product that maybe has the customization features disabled as well as more limited routing schemes, and then have the full on Sonar versions to fill the professional nitch?
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RE: O.T. GT FORUM CHAT?
2008/12/16 10:09:37
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Actually all they need in the recording line up is 4 products and then maybe 3 or 4 module packs. The 4 products would be:
Sonar Lite Edition for entry level - along with a good guide for recording and PC optimization
Sonar Mobile Edition - for the step up but geared for the mobile/home recording studio
Sonar Studio - Just like it is
Sonar Premium Edition - the full monty
A guitar/bass pack - which would include a good amp modeler and a good set of effects
A keyboards pack - which would include select additional soft instruments like Rapture
A drum/percussion pack which would add additional samples and MIDI grooves
A beat pack - which would add in drum, percussion and bass loops and maybe kinetic
A Conversion/Burn pack - Pyro Audio Creator.
Just my 10 cents worth....
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RE: O.T. GT FORUM CHAT?
2008/12/16 11:45:07
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Actually all they need in the recording line up is 4 products and then maybe 3 or 4 module packs. The 4 products would be:
Sonar Lite Edition for entry level - along with a good guide for recording and PC optimization
Sonar Mobile Edition - for the step up but geared for the mobile/home recording studio
Sonar Studio - Just like it is
Sonar Premium Edition - the full monty
A guitar/bass pack - which would include a good amp modeler and a good set of effects
A keyboards pack - which would include select additional soft instruments like Rapture
A drum/percussion pack which would add additional samples and MIDI grooves
A beat pack - which would add in drum, percussion and bass loops and maybe kinetic
A Conversion/Burn pack - Pyro Audio Creator.
Just my 10 cents worth....
Makes a lot of sense Doc - at least the customer would know exactly where they stood. And I know both Bob and myself have discussed the idea of a modular approach. As you know, I've just got SONAR 8 Studio - I'd love the suite of mixing/mastering plugs that ship with S8PE but very little else at the moment. In other words, if I could just purchase a Mastering Suite module I'd have snathched their hand off by now. Still, you never know - the offer we got to upgrade from HS7 to S8SE shows that the bakers really do listen to what their loyal customers are saying about the products.
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RE: O.T. GT FORUM CHAT?
2009/01/10 20:07:15
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Steve, I never did figure out why my reverbs have a poping noise. The Sonitus stuff seems to work alright and my old GT reverb plug is unaffected as well, that gives me enough choice to work. I was pleasently suprised to find out that every plugin that has come with a Cake product still works fine in Sonar. I actually do still use Amp sim, the one that came with my original GT2, it's fun on a snare drum .
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RE: O.T. GT FORUM CHAT? The odd and unusual
2009/02/04 09:34:28
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RE: O.T. GT FORUM CHAT? The odd and unusual
2009/02/04 16:37:24
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FingerBone's Music Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.
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RE: O.T. GT FORUM CHAT? The odd and unusual
2009/02/05 09:30:39
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RE: O.T. GT FORUM CHAT? The odd and unusual
2009/02/05 16:30:29
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A guitar related MIDI device (not MIDI guitar)
So if I'm fingerpicking I'll need three of those?
Maybe even five. Next will be the MIDI glove to record fretting hand input.
Patent that idea quick doc!
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RE: O.T. GT FORUM CHAT? The odd and unusual
2009/02/12 10:30:16
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Well the patent office refused the patent for the MIDI glove. Seems some bloke named Shaduz from Bologna, Itally has already been there and done that. Shame I thought it would have been kind of novel........
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RE: O.T. GT FORUM CHAT? The odd and unusual
2009/03/25 20:35:04
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Things have been shaken up a bit lately. The GTP3 forum is so matter-of-fact now, and it's the other forums that are silly? What happened? Look what's going on out there: Another forum's silliness.
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RE: O.T. GT FORUM CHAT? The odd and unusual
2009/03/25 20:45:28
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Things have been shaken up a bit lately. The GTP3 forum is so matter-of-fact now, and it's the other forums that are silly? What happened?
We've all growed up and became maturer and are acting our age Jessie. That'll be it. I should imagine.
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RE: O.T. GT FORUM CHAT? The odd and unusual
2009/03/25 21:43:23
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RE: O.T. GT FORUM CHAT? The odd and unusual
2009/03/26 02:44:25
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We've all growed up and became maturer and are acting our age Jessie.
That'll be it.
I should imagine.
This is something up with which I shall not put, sir. Grant, that's a beautiful PRS body. You can't go wrong with vintage sunburst.
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RE: O.T. GT FORUM CHAT? The odd and unusual
2009/03/26 07:11:47
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Thanks Jessie, I like the sunburst as well, sure is good to have the action and intonation back.
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RE: O.T. GT FORUM CHAT? The odd and unusual
2009/03/26 10:33:30
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We've all growed up and became maturer and are acting our age Jessie.
That'll be it.
I should imagine.
This is something up with which I shall not put, sir.
Now we'll have none of that, lass! 
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RE: O.T. GT FORUM CHAT? The odd and unusual
2009/03/26 10:35:13
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Grant,
Good to see that your PRS is sounding better. But I think I would have thrown a fit if someone was daft enough to knock over my guitar. I mean it's one thing if you do it to your own guitar. Quite another when someone else does it.
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