Reclaiming SATA for audio

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RE: Reclaiming SATA for audio 2005/01/12 18:48:05 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: paulfurze
I did manage to get the maya onto it's own IRQ by putting it in PCI slot 3 on your recomendation. It came up on IRQ 18 not shared ;). And its gonna stay there too!

Excellent!

Now then...... Just before I go to bed....(you know what its like... 1 last adjustment and...) I decided to try this... I un-raided the sata drives. They are now just two seperate 200G drives. Guess what NO crackles!

Again, excellent! It is possible that the RAID 0 striping was causing hiccups, as it adds a layer of processing that all the data must pass through, and it creates realtime dependencies on the two drives as well. I'm curious... how fragmented was your RAID 0 when you were hearing the crackles? Did it crackle from the time the disks were blank, or did it start crackling and get worse as the disks filled up with various projects all over the place?

I'm asking this because a single drive could be less sensitive to fragmentation than RAID 0. And besides, to change RAID configurations, you obviously have to reformat, which brings fragmentation to zero anyway.

While you're changing RAID configurations, it would be great to complete the experiment and try RAID 1. It may also work for you without crackles, and give you something that RAID 0 could not: data security. No need for backups! (Well, no immediate need, anyway.)

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RE: Reclaiming SATA for audio 2005/01/13 18:52:08 (permalink)
gentle readers, posters, kibitzers, whatever. M-Audio has requested that I try to gether data from other Delta/SiL users who have either had problems in hte past, or are still having them now. They want to try to fix the issue; they need our help. Plase post to This Thread if you have any information pertaining to the matter

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RE: Reclaiming SATA for audio 2005/01/15 00:56:06 (permalink)
I bumbed this thread not only because it's great, but because I'm using it and I dont' feel like searching around for it.

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RE: Reclaiming SATA for audio 2005/01/15 14:37:33 (permalink)
When I am running Scott Ream's test and "spin" the mouse scroll wheel the audio engine stops!

That seems odd to me. Is it a symptom of a larger problem?

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RE: Reclaiming SATA for audio 2005/01/15 14:57:10 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: Jay Stephen
When I am running Scott Ream's test and "spin" the mouse scroll wheel the audio engine stops!
That seems odd to me. Is it a symptom of a larger problem?

Kinda OT... but I'd look into some sort of conflict with your audio driver.

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RE: Reclaiming SATA for audio 2005/02/06 16:39:05 (permalink)
Hello Campers, it's that time again, that special time when we keep this thread from falling off the edge of oblivion. This month's friendly bump turns out to be timely, though, with some interesting news from the SATA front.

I was responding to BadgerParty17 over on this thread, what seemed to be a routine SATA pops & clicks call. Badger gave his MOBO as a Gigabyte K8N, but fortuitously had left off the precise model. This caused me to look and notice that there were many K8N models. The second board down the list, the GA-K8N Pro, was the first one I found that featured SATA. Then I saw something shocking.

The board is for a Socket 754 Athlon64, and features the nForce3 150 chipset. It also features a SiI3512 SATA controller. However, this board only has two SATA port connectors, and those connectors are wired to the SiI3512 SATA controller! In other words, this is an nForce3 MOBO with PCI-based SATA only. Buyer beware! This board, and any other board like it, is a landmine! No longer can you blithely assume that an nForce3 Athlon64 MOBO featuring SATA will not have SATA issues.

First of all, I must say that until today, I thought that this would never happen. I mean, what would possess a MOBO manufacturer to use an outboard SATA chip, at greater cost to them (and, incidentally, to the peril to us DAW folks), when a perfectly better SATA controller is built right into the the nForce3 chipset specification? All they would have needed is to hang a SATA interface directly onto the nForce3 chipset. Instead, they have to hang this albatross onto the PCI bus. What a shame it is that the K8N Pro does this! IMHO, this is a crime of MOBO design.

The only hope would be that they dedicated a special PCI bridge and bus to the SiI controller (which I currently doubt). I will have to defer to someone else with this board to check this out for me. Personally, I'm not touching it with a ten-foot pole. In lieu of something special in the PCI design, anyone with this board (or one like it) will have inadvertently met the qualifications for this thread, and joined the company of the SATA Reclamation Troupers. If so, then a dubious welcome indeed! I must say also, it is with sadness that I must induct Athlon64 users into this company. If you have indeed joined (and I hope you haven't), then go back to the top of this thread and begin your journey.

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RE: Reclaiming SATA for audio 2005/02/06 18:58:11 (permalink)
Hey Losguy,
actually the board he has is the K8NsnXP 939.
4 Sata, 2 native Nvidia 2 SI.

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RE: Reclaiming SATA for audio 2005/02/06 21:40:32 (permalink)
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Hey Losguy,
actually the board he has is the K8NsnXP 939.
4 Sata, 2 native Nvidia 2 SI.

Thanks Scott for tying up that loose end. I am relieved... for him at least.

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WORKAROUND SOLUTION: Addonics external enclosure 2005/02/09 00:57:48 (permalink)
I haven't read through all 18 pages of this thread (I lost track of it several weeks ago), so at the risk of redundancy....

For those of you with mobos with built-in SATA controllers that don't like MAudio PCI cards, I have found a successful workaround to my dilemma.

My long, sad story: Abit AN7 mobo with nForce2 chipset with a Silicon Image SiI3112 SATA controller, athlon 2800, MAudio Delta 1010LT, Sonar 3.1.1 producer. Everything worked fine with my one IDE disc. I added a SATA150 disc, using the onboard SATA controller, and got the pops and clicks. Interestingly, the pops and clicks were still there, even when I was recording onto the original IDE drive. When I uninstalled the SATA drive, the pops and clicks went away.

So I removed the SATA drive, and ordered this external encoslure for the drive. I installed the SATA drive into this enclosure (which uses a SATA/IDE adapter, not ideal but, as it turns out, workable), and connected the enclosure (via firewire) to the same machine. It works. It also works via USB2.0 in my laptop.

So those of you with that particular SATA dilemma can try this. It worked for me; I just wanted to document on this very famous thread for posterity.

Thanks to all who are working on these SATA issues.

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RE: Reclaiming SATA for audio 2005/02/20 15:33:35 (permalink)
Tried something that I thought worked but it didn't. Oh well. Powerstrip isn't working. Anyone know what an audiophile comes up as in powerstrip? There are two soundcards coming up and its not clear which is which. Also, how do I change the irq of my audiophile? At present it is sharing with my graphics card on an nf7-s m/bd. Thanks for any help. And theres me thinking a 200gb SATA drive was the way to go when I built a new computer.

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RE: Reclaiming SATA for audio 2005/02/20 18:25:28 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: wongpongding
Tried something that I thought worked but it didn't. Oh well. Powerstrip isn't working. Anyone know what an audiophile comes up as in powerstrip? There are two soundcards coming up and its not clear which is which. Also, how do I change the irq of my audiophile? At present it is sharing with my graphics card on an nf7-s m/bd. Thanks for any help. And theres me thinking a 200gb SATA drive was the way to go when I built a new computer.

Lee, we can tackle this in order. Unfortunately, your system matches the problem description for this thread, but don't panic. Not everyone ends up at a dead end, it's just more likely with this combination of hardware. You really should try to get your IRQ's sorted out, regardless.

To change the IRQ, you need to move your Audiophile to a different slot. According to the PCI table at the bottom of page 3-29 of the MOBO manual, you should avoid both PCI slots 1 and 5 since they share IRQs with each other and the SATA.

Regarding the two soundcards, one is probably your onboard sound. It should show up on the PCI device list on PCI Bus 0, or whichever all your other MOBO onboard peripherals show up on. The Audiophile is on the Slot bus, which will be a different PCI bus number from these (but probably the same as the onboard SATA). So, you can tell that way at least.

Be sure to put your AGP card well below 100, something like 64 should be good for a start. HTH!

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RE: Reclaiming SATA for audio 2005/02/20 20:39:29 (permalink)
Another thing you can do is go into the BIOS and disable the onboard sound, something I highly recommend for a DAW.

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RE: Reclaiming SATA for audio 2005/02/21 16:32:39 (permalink)
Hi Losguy and Freakwitch, thanks for your responses and keep up the good work.

Unfortunately, I have already tried your remedies to no avail. My audiophile has its own unshared IRQ and the onboard sound is well disabled. I think the audiophile/sata issue is a lost cause. I'm going to buy a cheap IDE hard disk now; there wont be any problems with that will there? Do I just change the audio data and projects to the the IDE hard disk in sonar and that will solve my problems?

Thanks for all your hard work and help.

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RE: Reclaiming SATA for audio 2005/02/21 17:37:03 (permalink)
If you have firewire or USB2, I'd strongly consider getting the enclosure I mentioned a few posts up. It works great for me, and I was having the SATA/MAudio problems. I put the SATA drive into the enclosure, and it works like a dream.

If you're gonna spend money anyway, might as well use what you have and make it work.... plus portable data is a big plus.

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RE: Reclaiming SATA for audio 2005/02/21 20:20:53 (permalink)
wong, yes, you could go with a second IDE drive for audio, and it would work, but for your situation I agree with Freak. You already have the SATA drive; might as well put it to work. You have some alternatives for external hard drive enclosures that you can get for it. [Edited to remove inaccurate content]
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RE: Reclaiming SATA for audio 2005/02/22 17:37:58 (permalink)
Hi thanks again,

I think the enclosure drive thing would probably cost at least £20 whereas a 80 GB IDE hard disk will cost £40. The second option is definitely more appealing as its less hassle and space and it will probably be better to have a drive just dedicated to audio. One final point: should I just save audio to the drive or would I have to install sonar etc to the new drive?

Incidently, my problems with crackles and pops are only when recording external audio. Recording internal audio e.g bouncing tracks down and recording/ freezing vsts seems fine so this does seem to point to some kind of audiophile driver issue with sata rather than a fundamental incompatibility.

You guys are really great; I'll be sticking around the sonar forums from now on.

Cheers,
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RE: Reclaiming SATA for audio 2005/02/22 19:31:50 (permalink)
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Hi thanks again, I think the enclosure drive thing would probably cost at least £20 whereas a 80 GB IDE hard disk will cost £40. The second option is definitely more appealing as its less hassle and space and it will probably be better to have a drive just dedicated to audio. One final point: should I just save audio to the drive or would I have to install sonar etc to the new drive?

I think the British expression for this situation is "Horses for courses." You only need to point SONAR to save audio to the second drive; no need to reinstall. It's an option in Save As... (especially if you use the preferrred "Per Project Audio Folder" option).

Incidently, my problems with crackles and pops are only when recording external audio. Recording internal audio e.g bouncing tracks down and recording/ freezing vsts seems fine so this does seem to point to some kind of audiophile driver issue with sata rather than a fundamental incompatibility.

Yes, I think you nailed it.

You guys are really great; I'll be sticking around the sonar forums from now on.

Thanks!

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RE: Reclaiming SATA for audio 2005/02/27 17:01:45 (permalink)
Hello everybody:
I have a PC with the following components:

AMD Athlon XP 2800, 2 x 512 MB Infineon RAM DDR 400 (Dual Channel), Abit AN7 Guru Motherboard, 2 Seagate 200 GB SATA HD, Nvidia TNT2 m64, Terratec EWX 24/96 Soundcard.

When I play audio via the integrated soundcard everything works fine but when I play it through the Terratec card I get glitches everytime the hard drive led flashes. It happens with any player: Cubase SX, Soundforge 7, Winamp, Windows Media...

I have found you, guys. You seem to know a lot about this issue. Is there any possibility of salvation for me or should I dump this computer?

I have tried to solve the problem pluging the card in another pci slot but to no result. All the drivers are updated. The raid controller is not installed since I don't use it. The Terratec card works fine in other pcs, by the way.

Would the problem be solved if I used IDE hard drives instead of SATA ones?

I spent quite a lot of money in this piece of... hardware to use it as a home recording studio, I can't afford getting those annoying vinyl-like noises into the recording process.

Thanks for your time.
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RE: Reclaiming SATA for audio 2005/02/27 17:22:00 (permalink)
Hi torreznor, I have the same mobo and chip, and had the same problems with audio and SATA. The problem has to do with how the motherboard runs data through itself, the PCI bus (with the soundcard installed) and the SATA driver don't seem to play well together. Everything in my system worked fine when I was using an IDE drive, but as soon as I installed the SATA drive I was getting the pops and clicks.

The solution I found was to remove the SATA drive from the computer, get an external enclosure for the SATA drive, and then connect it to the mobo via firewire. The specific enclosure I used is linked a few posts up.

That worked for me. I struggled with this problem for weeks and could not find a way to get the pops and clicks to go away until I removed the SATA drive from the machine. It's a serious pain, and I wasn't happy about shelling out the additional $80 for the external enclosure, but now that I have it I'm very happy as my data is portable and I can work on it from my laptop, my studio machine, or indeed anywhere that has fireware and Sonar.

No more pops and clicks. My solution is actually a workaround, but it's worked flawlessly for me so far. Good luck!

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RE: Reclaiming SATA for audio 2005/02/27 18:20:09 (permalink)
torreznor, you can certainly rely on what Freakwitch said as a fallback option, and it will in all likelihood work well for you. However, I see that you have a Terratec card and not an M-Audio card (like Freak does). This means that you might have some hope with a software utility like DoubleDawg or PowerStrip (search this thread for links). Have you tried either of these yet? If not, then I would give this route a solid try first, before ripping your SATA audio drive out of your system.

If you haven't yet, install Double Dawg or PowerStrip and report back what your factory-default PCI latencies are for your graphics card, your SATA controller, and your Terratec. (Do this before tweaking, it will be helpful to know.) Then you can adjust the numbers to rebalance the "air time" your PCI devices get on the bus. Every system is different, and so there is no fixed set of numbers that will guarantee hitting the "sweet spot" for you machine. But, to keep you from starting off in a vacuum, here are some recommendations:

Graphics: If your graphics card is above 200 (it almost surely is), then lower it to something sane, like 64. If you start to get GUI weirdness (like SONAR dropouts if you click on something or move a window), you can always bump it up a little to make it behave.

Audio: Chances are, your Terratec is at 32 (I'd be interested in knowing if it isn't). This one is good to bump up quite a bit. I have my Terratec at 144 currently.

SATA controller: It usually comes set at 32. This usually is helped by lowering to 16.

As you can see from my first (and later) posts on this thread (see page 1), I have a Terratec card and managed to iron out the SATA audio crackles from my AMD-based system (please read my first post back on page 1). Hopefully you can get there too. Best wishes!

Edit: And before you do anything with PCI latency, I highly recommend having your Terratec and SATA controller isolated onto their own IRQ's. If you Teratec is sharing with anything, try moving it (again) into another PCI slot. If you want to avoid the card shuffle, then look farther down on page 1 of this thread where I talk about how to do this. (You'll need your MOBO manual, though.)
post edited by losguy - 2005/02/27 18:33:23

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RE: Reclaiming SATA for audio 2005/03/04 14:30:22 (permalink)
Hi there:
You have been so kind answering me so quickly.
Losguy, i haven't had the time to try anything, but i would like to ask you another question:
Would i get rid of these noises if i switched back to ide drives? Maybe i would be able to exchange my 2 brand new satas at the store yet.
Is there a new mobo with the sata-pci issue solved for amd athlon yet? The mobo is almost as recently bought as the drives...
What would give me a better performance, powerstrip patched satas or regular ide?
Well, actually that makes 3 questions...

Thanks for your time!!!
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RE: Reclaiming SATA for audio 2005/03/04 15:01:14 (permalink)
OK, I'm not losguy, but here are my answers:

ORIGINAL: torreznor
Would i get rid of these noises if i switched back to ide drives? Maybe i would be able to exchange my 2 brand new satas at the store yet.

Yes. If you can exchange them, that should work.

Is there a new mobo with the sata-pci issue solved for amd athlon yet? The mobo is almost as recently bought as the drives...

Yes, there are. I don't have any specific recommendations, though.


What would give me a better performance, powerstrip patched satas or regular ide?


I would think that patched SATA drives would give higher performance.

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RE: Reclaiming SATA for audio 2005/03/04 21:59:59 (permalink)
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Would i get rid of these noises if i switched back to ide drives? Maybe i would be able to exchange my 2 brand new satas at the store yet. Is there a new mobo with the sata-pci issue solved for amd athlon yet? The mobo is almost as recently bought as the drives...
What would give me a better performance, powerstrip patched satas or regular ide?

Yes, I see that you are faced with a dilemma. For me, the choice was made automatically because I had already built my SATA RAID 0 array for audio. Falling back to IDE drives would be the most reliable solution, for your MOBO at least, because I cannot guarantee that PCI latency adjustment will work for every system. That said, it worked for my system and many others (just read this thread). And, like you, I do have an nForce2 MOBO with a Terratec card.

If you go SATA, you're pretty much assured of success if/when you upgrade to an Athlon64 nForce3 chipset MOBO, that is, as long as it provides integrated SATA (just about all of them do, but I've run across an offender, so it's still a good idea to look, just in case). I am not currently aware of a chipset for the AthlonXP with integrated SATA. If someone finds one, they are welcome to post here!

Even so, some people with systems that are susceptible to hoggy graphics cards have been helped by balancing PCI latencies... even some using IDE audio drives.

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RE: Reclaiming SATA for audio 2005/03/05 19:07:02 (permalink)
Just a quick update: bought a 80 gb ide samsung spinpoint for about forty quid, and touch wood, it seems to working fine. I also like the idea of a separate drive for all of my samples and cakewalk projects. Just made a cracking song with sonar 4 too.

Good luck to everyone still having problems, but look at it this way, ifdthe worst comes to the worst and you can not find a solution with sata drives like me, you'll have to buy an ide drive which will probably optimize your system and keep your music away from your other computer software. Just look on the bright side!

No more crackles although is it me or is s4 not as stable as previous versions? Probably worth it for the new features and look though.

Keep up the good work losguy and freakwitch,

Cheers,
Lee
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RE: Reclaiming SATA for audio 2005/03/06 19:19:52 (permalink)
Thank you, Freakwitch. I wasn't trying to be exclusive
Just want to let you ALL know I have tried PowerStrip. My Riva Tnt2 latency was set as high as 248. I lowered it to 32 and the noises have dissapeared. I tested it recording 11 guitar tracks in Cubase, all same length, playing at the same time. Smooth as silk.
More questions: What else's latency can I check/change via PowerStrip? Is it only for video cards? I have read many of you have changed latencies of some other devices, how is it done?
Still have to try many other things, checking IRQ sharing among them (shame on me, but when I have the time to open the box I will ask for your illumination ). I will scan the IRQ table in my mobo's manual and post it here to let you know.
I'm off to bed. It's 1:30 here in Spain and I have to wake up at 6:30 to go to work
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RE: Reclaiming SATA for audio 2005/03/06 19:27:28 (permalink)
Hi Folks,

Some amazing information here, just one quick question, I am running an AMD Athlon 64 3200 on a Giga-Byte K8NS Ultra 939. (1GB Ram)

Attached to the onboard NVIDIA SATA is a 200gb SATA Drive…

I am I right in thinking any pops or crackles I am getting as not going to be down to the SATA drive, as this setup is immune from the old SATA problems?

(I am using a firewire Edirol FA101 in ASIO Mode)

Many Thanks

Nick
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RE: Reclaiming SATA for audio 2005/03/06 21:29:20 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: torreznor
Just want to let you ALL know I have tried PowerStrip. My Riva Tnt2 latency was set as high as 248. I lowered it to 32 and the noises have dissapeared. I tested it recording 11 guitar tracks in Cubase, all same length, playing at the same time. Smooth as silk.

Estimado Sr. Torrez, !Excelente! !Muchas felicitaciones! Buen hecho, un primer paso con exito.

Thanks for replying here with your good news. Now test it with SONAR, and I can be truly happy for you.

Lowering your graphics to 32 could be "un poco bajo para ti". If it works, then it may be best to leave it alone. On the other hand, if you get dropouts, for example when you click in the GUI, then you can raise it... most people have it working in the 60-100 range, but please realize that almost every system is different.

More questions: What else's latency can I check/change via PowerStrip? Is it only for video cards? I have read many of you have changed latencies of some other devices, how is it done?

Typically, you can adjust any device that is not integrated into the chipset, including devices plugged into PCI slots and some special onboard MOBO peripherals. Mostly, it has to have a default PCI latency that is not locked at zero from the manufacturer. This diagram shows how to do the settings. Mainly, it's a matter of balance. PCI-based audio cards can typically be raised over 100 for more stable audio performance (I have my Terratec at 144). The SATA controller can be left alone, or lowered (mine is at 16).

Still have to try many other things, checking IRQ sharing among them (shame on me, but when I have the time to open the box I will ask for your illumination ).

"Open the box"? You shouldn't need to do that to check IRQ. Go to Device Manager > View > Resources by Connection > IRQ.

I will scan the IRQ table in my mobo's manual and post it here to let you know.
Do that, and you will be above average.

I'm off to bed. It's 1:30 here in Spain and I have to wake up at 6:30 to go to work

Work? What's that?

!Bendiciones!
post edited by losguy - 2005/03/06 21:40:31

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RE: Reclaiming SATA for audio 2005/03/06 21:46:50 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: NickHemingway
Some amazing information here, just one quick question, I am running an AMD Athlon 64 3200 on a Giga-Byte K8NS Ultra 939. (1GB Ram) ... Attached to the onboard NVIDIA SATA is a 200gb SATA Drive … I am I right in thinking any pops or crackles I am getting as not going to be down to the SATA drive, as this setup is immune from the old SATA problems?

(I am using a firewire Edirol FA101 in ASIO Mode)

Nick, if you are experiencing audio glitches, it could be due to your AGP card hogging (logical) PCI bandwidth. But it is also likely due to your Firewire. I have heard that some FW Audio interfaces don't like certain FW chipsets. You could perhaps search around on that topic and find a similar issue, hopefully with a solution to go with it. Also, make sure that your FW audio device is getting a sync source, either internal or Wordclock. HTH

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RE: Reclaiming SATA for audio 2005/03/12 15:50:13 (permalink)
For reference. I'm cross-linking to another thread entitled PCI Latency Settings & UAD. It's interesting and a related topic. In response to some questions, I go into some detail there about:

1) the nature and effect of PCI latency
2) what's up with PCI Express and its implications

Cheers!

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RE: Reclaiming SATA for audio 2005/03/25 16:22:06 (permalink)
Hi there everybody:
I thought glitches and unwanted noises were out of the way for me using powerstrip but... last week I was recording with my headphones on and realized I kept getting small crackles in every track I layed down. Two days ago I talked to the shop and exchanged my sata drives for ide ones. Now everything does work fine. Sorry for not having good news for you but i thought you should know. Thanks for your support, guys!
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