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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features 2007/07/12 16:42:21 (permalink)
Maybe there are some 'technical' difficulties in implementing this.
Maybe the transport related code is too tied to the now time.
I am a software person and I've come across situations where in order to provide a simple feature, you may have to redesign, reimplement lots of things.

But it'd be really nice if they can do this.




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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features 2007/07/12 16:49:57 (permalink)
I for one have no use for a "pause" in Sonar but, I am most distressed by the few that seem unable to support forum members requests to CW. Having a pause will not harm Sonar for me or disrupt my work flow. Yet having members arguing against a request of another member is bad form in my opinion. We need to stick together in our quest for a better Sonar. This wont happen if we fight each other on features we want. By showing support for features we personally don't see a need for will in the end help us to get those that will. I am a MIDI centric user many of the features in Sonar are of limited use to me. Yet whenever a member wants a new feature that has no current analog I will support their petition. Others have done the same for me.

So you have no need of it. So what. Others do, leave it at that.

Only when something is asked for that will harm Sonar will I be unsupportive.

CW add the pause asap!

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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features 2007/07/12 16:55:49 (permalink)
Hi chander-
Maybe there are some 'technical' difficulties in implementing this.
Maybe the transport related code is too tied to the now time.
I am a software person and I've come across situations where in order to provide a simple feature, you may have to redesign, reimplement lots of things.

Maybe, but many of us have been asking this for years now, so we're just trying to keep it on the table/radar.

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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features 2007/07/12 16:59:46 (permalink)
Hi John-
So you have no need of it. So what. Others do, leave it at that.

You didn't mean to reply to my post directly, right? I'm so easily confused these days...

-Susan
post edited by Susan G - 2007/07/12 17:07:35

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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features 2007/07/12 17:05:39 (permalink)
Susan;

You didn't mean to reply to my post directly, right? -Susan

Yes and no. I wasn't aiming it at any one in particular. I did want it to be supportive of you request so you see I simply let is be in reply to you.

I hope that you agree with it. If not, let me know what needs to be modified.

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post edited by John - 2007/07/12 17:15:12
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features 2007/07/12 22:09:18 (permalink)
I'm the densest Sonar user then, because I still can't figure it out!!! HAHAHA...at least I know that I need ADC for external effects!

let's get both!

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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features 2007/07/13 06:35:58 (permalink)
This may have already been mentioned, but I've never noticed it anywhere:

I would really like to have the something similar to the Navigator strip from the track view added to the console view too. In fact, I don't even get why it's the way round it is. I never find myself using it in the track view, probably because I'm used to navigating via the normal track window.

But when working in the console view for mixing, there's no way of navigating, apart from the Now Time slider, which is way too inaccurate. It would be really useful to have a visual map of the song, so I could easily hop around to check different sections when mixing.
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features 2007/07/13 14:38:17 (permalink)
But when working in the console view for mixing, there's no way of navigating, apart from the Now Time slider, which is way too inaccurate. It would be really useful to have a visual map of the song, so I could easily hop around to check different sections when mixing.

+1!

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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features 2007/07/14 17:34:04 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: John

I for one have no use for a "pause" in Sonar but, I am most distressed by the few that seem unable to support forum members requests to CW. Having a pause will not harm Sonar for me or disrupt my work flow. Yet having members arguing against a request of another member is bad form in my opinion. We need to stick together in our quest for a better Sonar. This wont happen if we fight each other on features we want. By showing support for features we personally don't see a need for will in the end help us to get those that will. I am a MIDI centric user many of the features in Sonar are of limited use to me. Yet whenever a member wants a new feature that has no current analog I will support their petition. Others have done the same for me.

So you have no need of it. So what. Others do, leave it at that.

Only when something is asked for that will harm Sonar will I be unsupportive.

CW add the pause asap!

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very well put :)

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RE: SONAR - Feature Request LIST 2007/07/14 20:26:52 (permalink)
I would like it if the size of the wave form in clips would change when you move a clip volume envelope up and down. I think that was the only feature in Nuendo that I liked better than Sonar.

Also, a button to make a hit record would be nice.
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RE: SONAR - Feature Request LIST 2007/07/14 20:28:41 (permalink)
Oh, I'm sure this has already been requested, but what about compression for midi events?
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RE: SONAR - Feature Request LIST 2007/07/14 20:31:18 (permalink)
Oh, I'm sure this has already been requested, but what about compression for midi events?

I think you need to explain this a bit more.

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RE: SONAR - Feature Request LIST 2007/07/15 00:07:03 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: barthowk

Oh, I'm sure this has already been requested, but what about compression for midi events?

two ways:
1. use compression on the sampler
2. reduce velocities by percentages

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RE: SONAR - Feature Request LIST 2007/07/15 01:08:29 (permalink)
Hi Bart-
Oh, I'm sure this has already been requested, but what about compression for midi events?

I agree with F@KKER -- that's about all you can do, which is quite a lot, if you consider that you can apply any available Audio effect to an Audio track you're sending MIDI instructions to. Available MIDI FX are quite limited, since the sound generated is totally dependent on what internal or external synth you're using. Most have a Chorus and Reverb, maybe an Arpeggiator, yadda-yadda, but you can't really manipulate the sound the way you can once the MIDI events are translated to Audio. I assume you already know that MIDI sends instructions to an internal or external synth re what to play and when, etc., but doesn't actually produce any sound at all.

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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features 2007/07/15 02:50:04 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: Susan G

YES, a Pause button would allow the transport to temporarily stop without moving the Now Time.

Lordy, lordy, again with this!

Hi Donald: This has been hashed and re-hashed ad infinitum on this forum, honest! You can probably find explanations of the difference a true Pause would make just within this thread, but if you do a forum search you should find plenty others. In a nusthell: Don't change the Now Time, don't rewind to the Now Time, don't DO ANYTHING except pause playback, period!

-Susan


Holy cow... Sonar can't do this? I'm a new user and noticed that it wasn't doing it, but I assumed that I just needed to tweak an option somewhere to make it do this. Wow... I'm stunned that something so easy to implement has not been. It is so annoying to not have a pause feature.
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features 2007/07/15 03:00:30 (permalink)
Hi John-
Holy cow... Sonar can't do this? I'm a new user and noticed that it wasn't doing it, but I assumed that I just needed to tweak an option somewhere to make it do this.

Try CTRL+SPACE. That might do what you need it to do, otherwise see Options>Global>On Stop Rewind to Now Marker. If toggling that doesn't do it for you, then welcome to the "I want a true Pause" camp!

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RE: SONAR - Feature Request LIST 2007/07/19 17:01:00 (permalink)
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ORIGINAL: barthowk

Oh, I'm sure this has already been requested, but what about compression for midi events?

two ways:
1. use compression on the sampler
2. reduce velocities by percentages

F@KKER



I agree with F@KKER -- that's about all you can do, which is quite a lot, if you consider that you can apply any available Audio effect to an Audio track you're sending MIDI instructions to. Available MIDI FX are quite limited, since the sound generated is totally dependent on what internal or external synth you're using. Most have a Chorus and Reverb, maybe an Arpeggiator, yadda-yadda, but you can't really manipulate the sound the way you can once the MIDI events are translated to Audio. I assume you already know that MIDI sends instructions to an internal or external synth re what to play and when, etc., but doesn't actually produce any sound at all.

-Susan


I don't want to compress audio, I want to compress the velocity of midi events.

I didn't realize you could reduce velocities by percentages. Although that would be like what I'm thinking, it's not exactly. For example with a midi event compressor you could set a threshold below which no compression of velocity would occur. Nuendo has one that I found to be really cool - it was just like a regular audio compressor, but for midi events!
post edited by barthowk - 2007/07/19 17:07:40
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RE: SONAR - Feature Request LIST 2007/07/19 17:12:08 (permalink)
I don't want to compress audio, I want to compress the velocity of midi events.

I didn't realize you could reduce velocities by percentages. Although that would be like what I'm thinking, it's not exactly. For example with a midi event compressor you could set a threshold below which no compression of velocity would occur. Nuendo has one that I found to be really cool - it was just like a regular audio compressor, but for midi events!


Until you get your midi compressor, in the meantime you can do this with event filters. E.g., if you want the fastest velocities reduced so your top is 115, filter/change all velocities from 115-120 to 114, and everything 121-127 to 115, or something similar. I have to assume a "midi compressor" is doing exactly the same thing, only automatically.

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RE: SONAR - Feature Request LIST 2007/07/19 17:16:33 (permalink)
For example with a midi event compressor you could set a threshold below which no compression of velocity would occur. Nuendo has one that I found to be really cool - it was just like a regular audio compressor, but for midi events!

The best source for MFX plugins for something like this I know of is TenCrazy.com, but I don't know of any MIDI event compressors. I don't even know what that means, to tell the truth! What does "compression of velocity" mean?

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RE: SONAR - Feature Request LIST 2007/07/19 17:24:37 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: Susan G
What does "compression of velocity" mean?

Making the loudest notes softer than they are, and (if desired) the softest notes louder than they are. technically, if you just bring down (or clip) the loudest notes, then it would be a "MIDI Limiter".

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RE: SONAR - Feature Request LIST 2007/07/19 17:31:18 (permalink)
Ah, I see! It's already possible to do that in SONAR using Process | Interpolate, correct? Maybe not all that intuitive due to the UI, but certainly possible.

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RE: SONAR - Feature Request LIST 2007/07/19 17:51:02 (permalink)
Ah, I see! It's already possible to do that in SONAR using Process | Interpolate, correct? Maybe not all that intuitive due to the UI, but certainly possible.


Yes, I've done it myself, and unlike my earlier post, you actually give the correct name of the menu to use!
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RE: SONAR - Feature Request LIST 2007/07/19 19:05:42 (permalink)
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yup - the midi event filter is very useful for compression. use it all the time.

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RE: SONAR - Feature Request LIST 2007/07/20 10:07:47 (permalink)
"Midi event filter" - Don't know about that. I'll have to check it out.

Thanks!
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RE: SONAR - Feature Request LIST 2007/07/26 22:57:17 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: Susan G

Ah, I see! It's already possible to do that in SONAR using Process | Interpolate, correct? Maybe not all that intuitive due to the UI, but certainly possible.

-Susan


... yes, that's prolly the best way, but I was too lazy to 'splainz'it.

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I've had more time to play with this, and am withdrawing the bug remarks.
This appears to work as designed and is actually a pretty cool feature.
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RE: SONAR - Feature Request LIST 2007/07/27 01:56:44 (permalink)
This might already be mentioned somewhere (or if I'm really lucky, implemented and i don't know about it?)- it'd be really nice if tempo changes could be made using envelopes, so I can have logarithmic/linear tempo changes. The tempo pencil/line tool is virtually unusable for me- It's very hard to have the precision that I want to, and after I've used it, I now have a million tempo events. This is very hard to read and even harder to modify. Very frustrating, when SONAR is so nice in so many other similar respects.

Also, there should be an option when setting the tempo through the "click here to set tempo" button to take the average of the clicks thusfar, not just the last two. I'm usually not very precise when I'm tapping, and usually my taps vary greatly from one tap to the next. You can see an example of what I'm talking about here.

One last thing, something that would make me happy regarding the great "pause" debate- CTRL+SPACE works just fine for me, but it'd be nice if I could modify the bindings for the buttons as well- it'd be great if I could bind the PLAY button on the transport bar to the same action as CTRL+SPACE when a file is currently playing.
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features 2007/08/28 21:03:00 (permalink)
Already submitted these [edit: to the Cakewalk bakers]... I place them here both as my vote for those already listed here and to inspire improvement on any new ideas I've had:

  • The new snap-to-channel-width feature in the Console was a good idea. However, this is a REAL BUMMER on multiple side-by-side monitors as one track or buss ALWAYS ends up split between monitors. Please somehow make it so that one can switch between infinite-width-variablity and snap-to-track-width modes. [holding down CTRL while adjusting width would be perfect]

  • I absolutely love the X-Ray feature. Real time and tendonitis saver! One improvement would really help: when windows are in X-ray mode, they should be taken out of the CTRL-TAB window list. This is why: I use the X-Ray to keep all my FX up and positioned nicely while I work on the Track and Console views by CTRL-TAB'ing between the two. Then I de-X-ray to use or view the FX. With all the FX still in the CTRL-TAB list while X-rayed, I have to CTRL-TAB MANY times to just get between two open and visible windows.

  • Split stereo busses. In other words 1 buss Fader with two trim controls, two FX bins and two aux sends controls for each aux send. In each case one being for the left channel and the other for the right channel. This allows slightly different or very different FX settings to be used for each channel. Just think of the possiblities!

  • True stereo panning controls throughout: i.e. instead of a single pan control, have one volume control each for left and right. Or something of the Cakewalk innovative way that accomplishes the same thing.

  • One button to bypass the whole FX bin.

  • The FX bin should really be re-sizable -- so you can see all of the FX at the same time without getting tendonitis trying to click on the tiny arrows.

  • Ability to Freeze and unfreeze multiple tracks in one action.


post edited by Xavier - 2007/08/28 21:12:05
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features 2007/08/29 08:02:27 (permalink)
In this day and age their is no need for a pause button!
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RE: SONAR - Feature Request LIST 2007/08/29 08:50:43 (permalink)
For example with a midi event compressor you could set a threshold below which no compression of velocity would occur.


There is an article in July07 Sound On Sound mag featuring Sonar's "Instant Fixes" stating on page 128. On page 130 is the VELOCITY MIDI pulg-in (comes with Sonar) which I think does what you are looking for with the LIMIT setting.
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RE: SONAR - Feature Request LIST 2007/08/30 14:44:56 (permalink)
Resize FX bin hight in console view!!!
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