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SONAR Newburyport now available
SONAR Newburyport Update now available in Command Center. Learn more about the official release hereRead the official ezine to learn more about the new features plus reviews, user stories, and tips
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Soundwise
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Re: SONAR Newburyport now available
2016/02/23 12:04:14
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Great news, but what's that supposed to mean?
Reassigning audio clips in the Track View was not “dirtying” the document
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Re: SONAR Newburyport now available
2016/02/23 12:16:04
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Soundwise
Great news, but what's that supposed to mean?
Reassigning audio clips in the Track View was not “dirtying” the document
speculation? for "dirtying" read "flagging as changed"
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Re: SONAR Newburyport now available
2016/02/23 12:54:30
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Darn it, I was almost certain that the next update would be called Nantucket. I had a Staff View limerick all set to go.  However, it was nice to read Jerry Gerber's article in the eZine.
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Re: SONAR Newburyport now available
2016/02/23 13:19:03
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StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: SONAR Newburyport now available
2016/02/23 13:20:00
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It occurred to me when reading the blog bytes that it would be icing on the cake to make the cwp/audio files available (per discretion of copyrights, etc.) for some of these demonstrations. An example would be the "Using z3ta+ as an Effects Plugin." It is fine to talk through what was done, but would take it to a whole other level to allow users to download a project that is already set up properly and then tinker with it to learn more.
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Re: SONAR Newburyport now available
2016/02/23 13:21:37
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pbognar
Darn it, I was almost certain that the next update would be called Nantucket.
I had a Staff View limerick all set to go.
I see what you did there... very nice indeed
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Re: SONAR Newburyport now available
2016/02/23 13:47:59
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☄ Helpfulby Soundwise 2016/02/23 14:53:11
Soundwise
Great news, but what's that supposed to mean?
Reassigning audio clips in the Track View was not “dirtying” the document
"Dirtying" is geek-speak for indicating that a document has changed (SONAR adds an asterisk to the filename in the main window's top header)...although that always seemed to have a negative connotation if the change was due to my cleaning something up 
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Re: SONAR Newburyport now available
2016/02/23 14:00:10
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Re: SONAR Newburyport now available
2016/02/23 14:03:51
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gswitz
Remove silence?
shhhhhh.... ;-)
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Re: SONAR Newburyport now available
2016/02/23 14:15:47
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LANDR?, whats next? SONGR, MASTRFADR, ARRANGR, MASTRTRACKR, RECORDR?
Why should I give all the pleasure of mastering to a robot? :) no thanks, joke aside, this could be actually pretty awesome if sonar hade this feature builtin, but with mixing/mastering ability, call it MIXTRMASTR! :) it can read the track name or you tag the channels with right name/instrument and every time you play the song all the mastering magic happens in realtime... Needed plugins get added to tracks, eq, compressors, limiters etc etc...you can steer it to what type of engineer work you want...
Since "add track" replaces the socondary time viewer :( , can I somehow still have 2 time viewers at the same time?
I always have one with H:M:S:F and the other one with M:B:T and nice to see both at one glance...
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Re: SONAR Newburyport now available
2016/02/23 14:18:56
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orhanproject
Since "add track" replaces the socondary time viewer :( , can I somehow still have 2 time viewers at the same time?
I always have one with H:M:S:F and the other one with M:B:T and nice to see both at one glance...
Add Track does not replace the time. If the time option is set to None, there is an "+ Add Track" button. If a time is specified the add track button is reduced to a + to the right of the time.
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Re: SONAR Newburyport now available
2016/02/23 14:25:10
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orhanproject
Since "add track" replaces the socondary time viewer :(
Are you sure about that? 
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Re: SONAR Newburyport now available
2016/02/23 14:27:55
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After playing with the header width, the time is the last to go in the header column. I get a + because of the header width used.
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Re: SONAR Newburyport now available
2016/02/23 14:39:52
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You can start using LANDR today inside of SONAR. Just sign up for an account via SONAR to start getting free previews and two low-res MP3s per month (other subscription options available separately starting at $4/month). So we need to pay extra to actually get something useful out of that? Don't mean to whine but no thanks. The bug fixes are very welcome. EDIT: Okay I noticed "low res" means 192kbps which is decent. Maybe I'll give it a change. I need to do some mastering for next Friday so would be interesting to compare my master (as a newbie to mastering) to the one that a robot made.
post edited by JoeHans - 2016/02/23 15:02:16
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Re: SONAR Newburyport now available
2016/02/23 14:43:16
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Scook and Anderton: oh great, phew, thanks :)
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Anderton
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Re: SONAR Newburyport now available
2016/02/23 14:45:13
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JoeHans
You can start using LANDR today inside of SONAR. Just sign up for an account via SONAR to start getting free previews and two low-res MP3s per month (other subscription options available separately starting at $4/month).
So we need to pay extra to actually get something useful out of that?
Read the eZine section on LANDR.
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Re: SONAR Newburyport now available
2016/02/23 16:00:19
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☄ Helpfulby gswitz 2016/02/23 23:20:21
Even in case LANDR will stay longer then Gobler... Automatic audio processing with one switch as an option is just "a plug-in". May be smart, may be expensive to develop but still just a (VST FX like) plug-in as "a cloud service" per subscription. Is that a test how good Sonar can be sold as a cloud service? Next step can be put all plug-ins on some farm near Cakewalk with advertisement "you can record/track/mix from you phone, just steam us your audio inputs and we do our best!"  Just joking, but I have thought the whole point to have a DAW is to fine tune all aspects from input till the result. "One knob" audio creation with "One knob" effects applets for iPad/Android are well known, and the result still can be sent to LANDR for "professional automatic mastering". Is that the future?
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Re: SONAR Newburyport now available
2016/02/23 16:11:29
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I have never heard of "LANDR" before, and immediately associated that with "Landry" so hopped over to that site and it is scripted almost identically to the cakewalk.com page (even the same graphic - Newburyoort [sic] announcement). So... what exactly is this "thing"? It comes across as "gimmick" to me.
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Re: SONAR Newburyport now available
2016/02/23 16:25:09
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mettelus
I have never heard of "LANDR" before, and immediately associated that with "Landry" so hopped over to that site and it is scripted almost identically to the cakewalk.com page (even the same graphic - Newburyoort [sic] announcement). So... what exactly is this "thing"? It comes across as "gimmick" to me.
Read the eZine, then try it out for yourself. It's free to check out azslow3Automatic audio processing with one switch as an option is just "a plug-in". LANDR has three options for different intensities. But again, I'd recommend reading the eZine. LANDR states specifically it's not about replacing traditional mastering engineers, although there are certainly applications where it would do by itself what people need. No one's going to pay a mastering engineer to master their daughter's piano recital If someone is, PM me
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Re: SONAR Newburyport now available
2016/02/23 16:42:30
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Re: SONAR Newburyport now available
2016/02/23 17:08:05
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I listened to their examples on their website and I have to say they sound horrible to me. I hope this isn't the future. I guess in the future everything is going to be microwavable.
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Re: SONAR Newburyport now available
2016/02/23 17:24:10
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Mosvalve
...I guess in the future everything is going to be microwavable.
Well, with my cooking skills everything already is. I have no opinion either way on the LANDR thing since I actually enjoy my per-song mastering process.
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Re: SONAR Newburyport now available
2016/02/23 17:42:58
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I tested quite a few songs on LANDR to evaluate what would happen. IMO some sounded fine, some didn't. I think one of the main reasons LANDR gives free previews is so that people won't have to buy a finished version without first knowing that they want it. I did notice that the end results vary depending on what you put into it. I think a really cool addition to LANDR's AI would be the ability to create a pop-up dialog that could say something like "This mix has problems. Please take the effing compressor out of the master bus, and give at least 3 dB of headroom. And WTF is up with the clipping? Here's a link to an article on gain-staging. Thank you." Interestingly, I fed LANDR some mixes I'd already mastered to see what would happen. At the low setting, it basically did nothing - what came out was what went in. Even the medium setting didn't do much. The most success I had was with live or "close-to-live" recordings using either the low or medium setting. The high setting often sounded, at least to me, like the results I hear on the radio by my least favorite human mastering engineers LANDR keeps refining the engine, so who knows where this will end up...
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Re: SONAR Newburyport now available
2016/02/23 17:46:05
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I quite like Craig's piano recital example.
The reality of LANDR is that precisely zero "real" mastering engineers are currently quaking in their boots. But that doesn't mean it's useless, and that doesn't mean it can't improve. I think it's interesting, and I'm glad it's being worked on.
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Re: SONAR Newburyport now available
2016/02/23 17:49:59
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There's also an emergent middle tier of production that's not going away, I think, which is bands and artists going completely DIY, without necessarily ever becoming great engineers. Not everyone is looking for a radio hit, or even a polished sound. Some people are happy with delivering more home-spun material to a small-ish audience, and get a lot of gratification from being a bit cottage industry about it. And good luck to them. I think LANDR is a great tool for those people.
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Re: SONAR Newburyport now available
2016/02/23 17:51:01
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☄ Helpfulby John T 2016/02/23 18:05:13
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I think a really cool addition to LANDR's AI would be the ability to create a pop-up dialog that could say something like "This mix has problems. Please take the effing compressor out of the master bus, and give at least 3 dB of headroom. And WTF is up with the clipping? Here's a link to an article on gain-staging. Thank you
If they build that system into their software I would get this message every time and never get a master. Lol.
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Re: SONAR Newburyport now available
2016/02/23 17:52:22
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This is a brilliant idea for a plugin, actually. Doesn't even need to do anything to the sound. Just shouts at you like Sgt Hartman out of Full Metal Jacket every time you reach for a stereo widener.
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Re: SONAR Newburyport now available
2016/02/23 18:03:32
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Anderton
I think a really cool addition to LANDR's AI would be the ability to create a pop-up dialog that could say something like "This mix has problems. Please take the effing compressor out of the master bus, and give at least 3 dB of headroom. And WTF is up with the clipping? Here's a link to an article on gain-staging. Thank you." Interestingly, I fed LANDR some mixes I'd already mastered to see what would happen. At the low setting, it basically did nothing - what came out was what went in. Even the medium setting didn't do much.
They actually do have that! Dan put one of his mixes through it and it ****ed that the mix had no headroom so it couldn't do the master. Not quite that wording but something close :-)
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Re: SONAR Newburyport now available
2016/02/23 18:07:36
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Mosvalve
I listened to their examples on their website and I have to say they sound horrible to me. I hope this isn't the future. I guess in the future everything is going to be microwavable.
Don't do that - taste is very subjective. If you listened to presets on most synths you would think they were all horrible :) Try it with your own music and start with the Landr Low setting. You might be surprised how good it actually is. If you are willing to tweak your mix to accommodate what you get from Landr its very possible to get an excellent master.
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