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Re: Something brewing at Spectrasonics?
2016/09/02 12:04:05
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☄ Helpfulby TheSteven 2016/09/02 14:57:02
There has been an incredible amount of whining about this project even from people I didn't expect to be whining about it. It's a little disappointing how some people are reacting.
That said, am I disappointed in the announcement? Sure. My first thought was "Okay, another piano/key VST. I'll pass." but as I watched the video, I realized I was wrong about my first assessment.
This is not another keys VST. Sure, they have a couple common pianos and keyboards (which sound much better than anything else I've heard so far, by the way), but most of this was a passion project based on very rare, not widely sampled instruments that they meticulously restored to where they could be "Spectrasonics Quality" with the highest of standards so to call it "another keys library" is so very wrong. If nothing else, this is very different and held to the same standards as everything they put out.
Will I buy it? Not right away. A lot of the keyboards in this library I know I wouldn't use. I don't use a lot of Rhodes or Clavs in my music. However, once Skippy and Matt get their hands on it and start blending it with Omnisphere 2, a whole new world of sound is going to open up which might make it worth buying. Plus, with a Musicians Friend coupon or JRRShop always having deals for Spectrasonics stuff so if I can buy it at a good price, I might do that.
Overall, I see the R&B and Worship communities benefiting the most from the core set and they will eat it up. Those are both multi-million dollar communities so those alone will likely cover the investment of the product Spectrasonics put into it. Film composers will also likely invest in it because as one person said over at VI-Control: it puts high quality sounds right inside an engine they are already using so they don't need to search through tons of plugins to find a good keys sound to use on their time sensitive project.
I have a feeling this is another home run for Spectrasonics even if we don't see it right now because of the current disappointment that it wasn't something else we might have wanted to see them do.
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Re: Something brewing at Spectrasonics?
2016/09/02 12:57:52
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Will this start a piano price war?
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Re: Something brewing at Spectrasonics?
2016/09/02 13:03:07
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Siluroo
Will this start a piano price war?
Depends on the price - have we heard anything about that?
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Re: Something brewing at Spectrasonics?
2016/09/02 13:05:06
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☄ Helpfulby TheSteven 2016/09/02 14:57:15
Keyscape Boxed: $399 / €349
Keyscape Download: $399
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Re: Something brewing at Spectrasonics?
2016/09/02 13:08:08
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Keyscape Boxed: $399 / €349
Keyscape Download: $399
More than I hoped, but not bad considering what they're offering. Out of my budget at least for the near term.
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Re: Something brewing at Spectrasonics?
2016/09/02 13:09:01
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Siluroo
Keyscape Boxed: $399 / €349
Keyscape Download: $399
Pass. For good. For a real keyboard player this is probably the shizzle on a twizzle.
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Re: Something brewing at Spectrasonics?
2016/09/02 13:16:58
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Just as I'd predicted: something cool I can't afford.
I've got a lot of EPs and acoustic pianos already, so it won't be a priority. But it would be nice to have a one-stop source for most keyboard needs, since this does for keyboards what Trilian did for bass.
In fact, if I had this I'd be tempted to violate my longstanding rule of no laptops on stage. Yeh, it's 400 bucks, but to put that in perspective it handily beats my $4,000 workstation on EPs.
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Re: Something brewing at Spectrasonics?
2016/09/02 13:27:03
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I've got a lot of EPs and acoustic pianos already, so it won't be a priority. But it would be nice to have a one-stop source for most keyboard needs
In the past 2 years I'm sure that I have spent more than $399 on Piano libraries. I've got an EW Piano Platinum that I've yet to register maybe I'll sell it.
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Re: Something brewing at Spectrasonics?
2016/09/02 15:12:01
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In fact, if I had this I'd be tempted to violate my longstanding rule of no laptops on stage. Yeh, it's 400 bucks, but to put that in perspective it handily beats my $4,000 workstation on EPs.
Yea, I am thinking the same, but not for the stage, for the lounge, I think with a bit of smart shopping, I could get a 88 key keyboard/workstation/electric piano with midi out, a suitable laptop, a audio interface such as a ur22, some monitor speakers, and have a lot of fun practicing piano with much better sounds than your $4000 workstation for less than half the price. For everything new including shipping... 500 AUD for Spectronics Keystation (I would wait for it to go on sale) 180 AUD for Steinberg UR 22 (have a UR44) 1000 AUD for new laptop that meets recommended specs (have this) 1200 AUD for Roland A88 (could go cheaper and get a $425 AUD for a nektar LX88 or 600 AUD for a P45 Yamaha) 800 AUD for Rokit/JBL/Behringer 8" monitor speaker pair (have this, but too lazy to move them from my daw but I could route it out into my Yamaha 679 amp based sound system intead I guess) 20 AUD for Hosa speaker leads So for 3700 AUD which is approx 2800 USD, could have a very sweet little piano practice setup/second studio, for much less than the 4000 USD workstation. That would leave some spare change for more sounds, better laptop, or Komplete 11 Ultimate which is 1199 USD at sweetwater (though would need more drive space on laptop then). Not that it matters, not going to do that yet, getting a decent piano practice setup is my xmas sale time project. But it would be nice! Ok, time to stop dreaming..
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Re: Something brewing at Spectrasonics?
2016/09/02 15:54:44
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So...a pro studio can now have a Kemper/AxeFX, Toontrack/Slate, etc drums, Keyscape..... then they just need people that can use 'em in a creative situation, like the demo showed. Where was the Jon Lord B3?... or did I miss that?
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Re: Something brewing at Spectrasonics?
2016/09/02 18:14:47
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☄ Helpfulby rtucker55 2016/09/02 21:05:47
For someone who used to lug a B3, Suitcase Rhodes, Clavinet, Wurlitzer A200, Mellotron and ARP 2600 to every frickin gig this stuff is like I've died and gone to heaven. I still sometimes shake my head in wonderment at everything that resides inside that small box that sits just below my keyboard controller.
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Re: Something brewing at Spectrasonics?
2016/09/02 19:50:49
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For someone who used to lug a B3, Suitcase Rhodes, Clavinet, Wurlitzer A200, Mellotron and ARP 2600 to every frickin gig this stuff is like I've died and gone to heaven. I still sometimes shake my head in wonderment at everything that resides inside that small box that sits just below my keyboard controller.
Not to mention Spectrasonics quality. This will surely allow goosebumps for people playing it, or cheating and playing back via EZKeys patterns they've cobbled together. I perceive this will be a home run - especially over time - for the Spectrasonics team and for musicians that eventually (sooner or later) pick it up. I was dubious, but now I'm not. It looks great.
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Re: Something brewing at Spectrasonics?
2016/09/02 20:19:33
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Anyone who does not get this has totally missed the point. This is a serious virtual instrument and like all things Spectrasonics it is of the highest quality and worth every cent actually. That amount of money is nothing compared to the ten years of research rebuilding and sampling of those amazing instruments.
Oh and the real issue in the video is the amazing playing of all those beautiful players. That is where the magic is. It actually has nothing to do with the synth in reality. If any of those guys played any keyboard it would be just as jaw dropping. But yes this does save a lot of carrying around!
Just the old Frank Gambale story, even when Frank plays a $100 guitar it is also jaw dropping. Better than any guitarist I have heard here (by a million miles) or anywhere in fact playing a $10,000 instrument!
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Re: Something brewing at Spectrasonics?
2016/09/02 22:34:14
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A wonderful creation and very impressive. I'm quite certain many will find this to be perfect for their needs. Eric and his team are giants in the business... this IS an amazing and lovingly crafted creation.... the video ooooozed honest amazement of greats about what they were experiencing... and all for a few duckets! I mean, really... and I am quite sure that this will become the go to thing for all the giants, commercial producers on tight schedules, and newbee's wanting a well rounded kit. Me, not so much... After discovering Omnisphere 16 years ago I immediately bought the whole kit and kabooodle... but of the three, I have to admit really only using Omnisphere 99% of the time these days... and much of THAT is due to the work of Skippy and a few others putting in the time to remake O2 with every set of patches/programs...It is their efforts which keep me exploring the depths of O2 when coming up with a new song idea...they constantly innovate and create exciting soundscapes which inspire what I do as much as the subjects I write about. This is very like Trillian, a beautiful creation, which now sits on my hard drive and awaits my time but never really gets it... I generally use Orange Tree's basses; I explore elsewhere for the other elements/sysnths basses... for what I incorporate into my songs, for whatever reason... maybe it's that I've amassed toooo much over the years that Trillian gets lost in the clutter...I have toooooo much. and to add more of the same doesn't excite me, It reflects the diversity and proclivity of users that some will find this indispensable and others won't. Part of me wishes I could play and respond like them, but the largest part of me says, "meh"... I'm meandering a different path. I wouldn't trade places for all the vst's in the universe.
That aside, VERY IMPRESSIVE!!!
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Re: Something brewing at Spectrasonics?
2016/09/02 23:46:47
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Dang. Saw the vid. I want dis.
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Re: Something brewing at Spectrasonics?
2016/09/02 23:48:32
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Lol did i seen a drunking hunty and a sherman tank in the forum ? I was about to jump on heavyocity sale when i heard the new ... Gas transfert : ok My uvi keys wasn t that bad
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Re: Something brewing at Spectrasonics?
2016/09/03 04:21:17
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Five years ago I wouldn't have thought twice about the purchase.
Same here but I have been collecting vintage keyboard libraries for Kontakt, and things like the Arturia V collection so now almost every base is covered. This one may do them better but over the 10 years this was in the making I have slaked my thirst.
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Re: Something brewing at Spectrasonics?
2016/09/03 05:03:42
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Overall, I see the R&B and Worship communities benefiting the most from the core set and they will eat it up. Those are both multi-million dollar communities so those alone will likely cover the investment of the product Spectrasonics put into it.
It;s funny, I was just watching the homerecordingrevolution youtube video and mentioned a piece for church. I watch a lot of videos on chord voicing, or drum technique to help my midi recording, and so many times they'll talk about a when playing in church. It made me realise how many musicians in the US are church players or goers. So see what you mean, that must be a massive market. I can't imagine a British person talking about church on a youtube video, unless they were talking about classical playing.
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Re: Something brewing at Spectrasonics?
2016/09/03 05:27:23
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Its not just in the US, one of the local churches here recently purchased a Yamaha C5 grand, and I am in small rural town that pushes the boundaries of being a city.
We think it was an attempt to draw interest back into the church, as church's here were very stiff dry places for most of my life, the sort of place you avoided as they were so miserably boring.
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Re: Something brewing at Spectrasonics?
2016/09/03 06:22:31
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Sorry I didn't mean that there wasn't an interst from church communities outside the US, just thay hoe often Church is mentioned in music engineering and playing videos has made me realse how big that market could be.
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Re: Something brewing at Spectrasonics?
2016/09/03 08:03:29
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If you knew how few people actually attend church here, you would realize what a huge financial outlay a Yamaha C5 is for them, maybe they will get it back through wedding photos and concerts, at least that what some are speculating.
Is definitely a market there, as well as schools, especially in rural areas where there is no concert halls and the church and school halls are the only real music entertainment venues with room to store a grand piano. The local bars and hotels dont have the space, and the sporting venues are full of sporting gear.
So is probably the only real market in rural areas, beside music students, piano teachers and a few moonlighting musicians.
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Re: Something brewing at Spectrasonics?
2016/09/03 08:49:38
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Its not just in the US, one of the local churches here recently purchased a Yamaha C5 grand, and I am in small rural town that pushes the boundaries of being a city.
We think it was an attempt to draw interest back into the church, as church's here were very stiff dry places for most of my life, the sort of place you avoided as they were so miserably boring.
Same here, yet no new pianos are brought in, as churches are changed into condominiums and hotels
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Re: Something brewing at Spectrasonics?
2016/09/03 12:52:58
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KamikazeIt;s funny, I was just watching the homerecordingrevolution youtube video and mentioned a piece for church. I watch a lot of videos on chord voicing, or drum technique to help my midi recording, and so many times they'll talk about a when playing in church. It made me realise how many musicians in the US are church players or goers. So see what you mean, that must be a massive market.
I can't imagine a British person talking about church on a youtube video, unless they were talking about classical playing. Many churches across the world have gone contemporary. Hillsong in Australia set the standard that every contemporary church in America tries to meet now. Hillsong United is actually a world arena/stadium touring group now. This is what their show looks like: https://youtu.be/M-3s78M4jv0 and what everyone tries to mimic. It's a multi-billion dollar industry for music companies and people like Peter James of Hillsong United have become some of the most respected patch designers. In fact, the largest Omnisphere Facebook group is called Omnisphere Worship Sounds and is run by my friend Jason Ray Schoepfer who is also a very respected sound designer. It's a massive worldwide market indeed... no pun intended. Well, maybe a little. ;)
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Re: Something brewing at Spectrasonics?
2016/09/03 12:58:43
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☄ Helpfulby Soundwise 2016/09/06 17:50:43
TerraSin
In fact, the largest Omnisphere Facebook group is called Omnisphere Worship Sounds and is run by my friend Jason Ray Schoepfer who is also a very respected sound designer. It's a massive worldwide market indeed... no pun intended. Well, maybe a little. ;)
Does this make Omnisphere both omnipresent and omnipotent?
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Re: Something brewing at Spectrasonics?
2016/09/03 14:33:58
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I think Omnisphere would be an awesome instrument for funerals. Don't laugh, it's a thing.
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Re: Something brewing at Spectrasonics?
2016/09/03 15:40:12
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Re: Something brewing at Spectrasonics?
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2016/09/04 20:32:09
For some reason the instrument at funeral comment got me thinking about the Blues Brothers movie, took me a while to workout why, its that Rhodes electric and the herc..
Now I just gotta go watch the bluray version again..
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Re: Something brewing at Spectrasonics?
2016/09/04 18:08:43
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Now this is what I'd call "hyper-realistic" sound!  The level of detail and clarity of these instruments puts everything else I've heard to shame. At least, I haven't heard better sampled keyboard sounds from a YT video. And seeing all these master musicians playing them was a real treat. Congrats to Eric and his team for a fantastic achievement! It's not necessarily a must-have for anybody not playing or producing keyboard-centric music. In a dense mix, will the average person notice the difference between the Keyscape Rhodes and, say, Scarbee or Lounge Lizard? Not likely. But if your song features the keys prominently, Keyscape will add a level of realism that will make your track sound much better. Well worth the cost, IMHO. Cheers Eddie
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Re: Something brewing at Spectrasonics?
2016/09/04 20:09:46
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Yup...quality is self evident.
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Re: Something brewing at Spectrasonics?
2016/09/05 21:37:08
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I have been searching (hoping) for the E model Rhodes for many years. For me, this alone is worth the price of admission. Let alone the vast and varied library that comes with Keyscape. YMMV.
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