My only complaint with AD2 is the midi problem. By problem I mean it will not read any midi file I have properly. EZDrummer has no problem with them, but AD1 and 2 both will not play them. Anyone know how to fix that?
 
I think for the upgrade price though with all that you get with AD2 it's a pretty sweet deal.

Drone7
He may be the "god" of dance music (in your mind), but is he the 'Father' of dance music? Nup! That title goes to Herbie Hancock (in my mind). "Rockit" started everything.
 
You say no one comes close to BT (whoever that is) for Mastery of beats you say, Nup! That title goes to Shrillex (IMO of course).

Who is Shrillex? You mean Skrillex? The guy who uses the Stepsonics massive preset bank? I mean, it's a good soundset, but... just no. You should look into the master synthesist BT. "whoever that is". lol, man, this forum. Never said he was the "father" of dance music by the way. He did play a large part in pioneering modern trance however, but that's not the only type of music he makes. As for rockit, there was a ton of techno and italo disco made before that, among other things. It hardly "started everything".
 
Oh but since I have you here. I have looked for some musical hardhouse (you mean uk house right? the 150bpm stuff?) before without success. Can you suggest some?

Spencer
As for rockit, there was a ton of techno and italo disco made before that, among other things. It hardly "started everything".
 

 
Not sure how you include "italo disco" as dance music in the sense of EDM, but anyway. And if you can point me to anything that remotely sounds like "modern Techno" pre (Rockit 1983), go ahead. Mantronix followed not long after with the "Rockit" sound.
 
As far as i'm concerned "Hardhouse" was the original Techno as we know it today... early 90's, then all the spin-offs took their cue from that, Trance, Jungle, Happy Hardcore, Dubstep etc, and now the slew of 'me too' 'sub-genres' that we have these days which i deem as more 'experimental', i don't see them as legit "genres". Hardhouse was the original "four to the floor" Genre, and the fact that it still very much thrives today is a big testament to being the grand-daddy foundation of EDM.
 
I don't follow any particular producers when it comes to Hardhouse, too many out there, i simply follow the scent and feed off the palette. Looking for whichever track nails it. The only time i've heard Hardhouse reach 150bpm was when the DJ was high or drunk and abusing his BPM slider on the Record Player. Happy Hardcore might regularly reach 150bpm though. I find most Hardhouse sits around a sensible 140-144bpm mostly.
 

Drone7

Spencer
As for rockit, there was a ton of techno and italo disco made before that, among other things. It hardly "started everything".
 

 
Not sure how you include "italo disco" as dance music in the sense of the EDM genre, but anyway. And if you can point me to anything that remotely sounds like "modern Techno" pre (Rockit 1983), go ahead.
 
I don't follow any particular producers when it comes to Hardhouse, too many out there, i simply follow the scent and feed off the palette. Looking for whichever track nails it. The only time i've heard Hardhouse reach 150bpm was when the DJ was high or drunk and abusing his BPM slider on the Record Player. Happy Hardcore might regularly reach 150bpm though. I find most Hardhouse sits around a sensible 140-144bpm mostly.
 

Juan Atkins, Derrick Mays and Kevin Saunderson (and anybody into the Detroit dance music scene in the early 80's) would bust a gut at that notion. Techno, as we know it is mostly a Detroit invention and yes, it predates Rocket easily.  There are so many songs even outside of Detroit that fit better in the techno world  than Rocket.  During techno's early phases i slipped into sets plenty of songs from the 70's like "I feel love" and "popcorn" along with various Krafterk songs that fit in much easier than any hancock song, Rocket included.

Actually, Sufi mystics invented trance in the 1200s. But I'm sure they weren't the first.

Anderton
Actually, Sufi mystics invented trance in the 1200s. But I'm sure they weren't the first.

Are you being serious or jovial?
Regardless, i take your point, music has been around since year dot, and thumping tribal beats go a long way back before Krafwerk, as i've always said "There's nothing new under the sun"
 
Thumping tribal beats plus electronic zing-bling = Modern EDM in all it's guises.

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I'm fascinated to see how far off-topic this will go before it's moved!
 
-Susan

Spencer
as for pre 1983 techno, ever heard of juan atkins? rockit isn't really techno anyway, it's more electro
 
from what I gather here I think you might be confusing hard house with rave aka hardcore, which in any case happened much later than either techno or electro (or actual house for that matter). might wanna take a look at ishkur's site.
 
and once your done with that actually, might wanna follow my suggestion and look into one of the only edm producers ever actually worth remembering the name of and not just passing by his tunes in some dj sets: BT.

 
Why do you cite Juan Atkins in relation to pre 1983? I wouldn't call his music Techno, far from it. Anyway, Atkins began recording as "Model 500" in 1985, before that, he was a nobody.
 
Also, how is it that you say Hardhouse emerged "much later" than Techno?
 
The first 'modern' form of Techno we know of was Detroit Techno, right? This was the form of electronic dance music that emerged in Detroit during the MID-TO-LATE 1980s. Herbie Hancock was definitely the forerunner of that, because "Rockit" was the first form of this music to hit the Charts.
 
As far as i'm concerned, Detroit Techno morphed into Hardhouse within a year or so, not long after; i can hear the DNA of Detroit Techno in Hardhouse; it seems that Detroit Techno was the forbear, the precursor to Hardhouse. The other guises of EDM we have today are simply a spin-off from Hardhouse as far as i'm concerned.
 
So let's see. Wikipedia... "The first recorded use of the word Techno in reference to a specific genre of music was in 1988. Many styles of techno now exist, but Detroit techno is seen as the foundation upon which a number of subgenres have been built."
 
There you have it! I know Hardhouse emerged around 1990, 2 years later, very similar but sounding slightly more palatable/mainstream than Detroit Techno, and with less of the raw 'underground' sound to it. One might even say that the music group "New Order" gave us the Modern Hardhouse sound we know today. Between "New Order" (Blue Monday -1983) and Herbie Hancock (Rockit - 1983) we have our founding forfathers for the music we have today known as EDM-Pop. These two (New Order) and (Herbie Hancock) got to the charts with it first, and that makes them the grand-daddys in my books.

Drone7

Anderton
Actually, Sufi mystics invented trance in the 1200s. But I'm sure they weren't the first.

Are you being serious or jovial?
 

I gave a fairly lengthy answer but it was deleted by accident and I can't spend the time now. First, I corrected myself - Sufi trance music has been passed down for about 1200 years, so it was actually invented sometime back in 800 AD. 
 
Sufi is the mystical branch of Islam and its tenets are self-discovery, healing of the heart through study with a master, and love of God. Music, dance, and various rituals that aren't that different from all-night raves are considered pathways to achieving these goals. A little search engine time with keywords like "sufi joujouka trance" will turn up some interesting material on the tenets of this particular sect and how music fits in with it.
 
The most recent surge in interest came when Brian Jones of the Rolling Stones recorded the master pan pipers of Joujouka. There are plenty of places a four on the floor kick would fit in perfectly 

Mesh

Bflat5
My only complaint with AD2 is the midi problem. By problem I mean it will not read any midi file I have properly. EZDrummer has no problem with them, but AD1 and 2 both will not play them. Anyone know how to fix that?
 
I think for the upgrade price though with all that you get with AD2 it's a pretty sweet deal.

I can't remember the actual file path, but I have all my EZDrummer midi files working well within AD2. The only downside is that you have to manually re-name the EZDrummer files. If no one offers you the correct file path, I'll re-post once I get to my DAW tonight.   
 
 
EDIT UPDATE......
The file path is:  Documents > Addictive Drums 2 > External Midi Files
 
 

It's not the EZD purchased midi files specifically (although that's good to know), just general midi files. Example. If I export the drum track from say, Guitar Pro, and use it in EZD it works like a champ. AD1/2 doesn't read them right.

Bflat5

Mesh

Bflat5
My only complaint with AD2 is the midi problem. By problem I mean it will not read any midi file I have properly. EZDrummer has no problem with them, but AD1 and 2 both will not play them. Anyone know how to fix that?
 
I think for the upgrade price though with all that you get with AD2 it's a pretty sweet deal.

I can't remember the actual file path, but I have all my EZDrummer midi files working well within AD2. The only downside is that you have to manually re-name the EZDrummer files. If no one offers you the correct file path, I'll re-post once I get to my DAW tonight.   
 
 
EDIT UPDATE......
The file path is:  Documents > Addictive Drums 2 > External Midi Files
 
 

It's not the EZD purchased midi files specifically (although that's good to know), just general midi files. Example. If I export the drum track from say, Guitar Pro, and use it in EZD it works like a champ. AD1/2 doesn't read them right.

 

I was under the impression that any general midi file will work in AD2 if it's inside the "External Midi Files" folder. However, I've only put midi drum files in there (the non AD ones). If this doesn't work, you should send an email to XLN, they're quite good with their customer support.
 
 
On a seperate note, regarding the birth of techno/dance/trance music........I thought it was obvious and everyone knew that the true pioneers handed it down from POLKA!!!! 

Blackiejames7
Keep the deals coming guys ! I produce a wide scope of musical styles and I need an extensive library to choose from so to have the Addictive Drums library is a great asset to me.  Also Platinum is great.

I agree. I do EDM-Pop, but great quality acoustic drums are nothing but an asset to me. Not only the totally realistic 'Crash Cymbals' but also the snares and the closed Hats, but also a classic Rock Drum set for the break-beat parts instead of the old tacky electronic over-processed break-beats. Cakewalk adding the Addictive Drums brand is a welcome addition. Thumbs-up from me for AD2. Cakewalk has got it right. All we need now (i just had to say again didn't i) is a dedicated EDM drum Machine and we're well on our way from a DAW-package point-of-view. Think Motu "BPM" or NI "Battery 4" ilk. Pretty please Cakewalk, pretty please...

 

CakeAlexS
Before people start to speculate why I edited Craig's post, well I screwed up and I've PM'd Craig to apologise about it. A simple mix up with the edit and quote buttons which are very near each other on the cellphone version of these forums..

Consider this a public apology as well for editing Craig's wisdom. Sorry.

Anderton
No, you were right to edit it, and especially to remove the schematics. I got overly excited at discovering anti-gravity, but as your PM said, how would I know this power would be used only for good? I simply wasn't thinking.

Thanks Craig... Actually I enjoyed the post, I'm really annoyed I totally screwed up by editing it by accident and effectively deleting it . Sorry!!!