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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 9:03 AM
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I had remembered the motherboard incorrectly, now I have has a chance to check, it is an ASRock 4CoreDual-VSTA. So if anyone knows of any problems that board may be causing I would be interested to know please.
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 9:09 AM
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Goseba
Saying it is hardware or driver related is just a presumption which may or may not be correct. It doesn't give me any clues as to what I have to do to try and find the problem to resolve it.
Hardware and drivers are the main culprits for problems like yours (i.e., a problem that does not appear to be widespread, reproducible, etc.). In your particular case SONAR is not restarting probably because it's waiting for device drivers to become available... that's the most likely cause. Why is it waiting? When you exit SONAR the first time you need to open up task manager and verify that SONARP.exe or whatever it's called is no longer in the list. If it is in the list, then SONAR hasn't exited properly and you need to figure out why. If it didn't exit properly then the zombie process likely has the audio/midi drivers locked. If you try to start a new SONARP.exe process it won't be able to grab the devices that the zombie process already has locked. For the 2496 are you using the M-Audio native ASIO driver? Could you be using some other ASIO driver by mistake? (some software installs it's own generic ASIO driver, then of course there's ASIO4ALL which you may or may not have installed...) Are you using a different driver model than ASIO for the 2496? If so, can you try the M-Audio ASIO driver? What driver model is your "other software" using? I'm guessing not the same driver model that you're using in SONAR. A common symptom is the "well my copy of FL Studio runs just fine, but SONAR doesn't"... and the end user maybe doesn't realize that the default driver setup by FL Studio is the DirectSound driver, whereas SONAR tries WDM/KS or WaveRT first. Another potential driver-related source given the symptoms is MIDI hardware. Do you have any physical MIDI devices connected via USB, etc.?
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 9:24 AM
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I had checked task manager and it was clear although the midi icon still showed in the bar. The problem was also there after rebooting.
I have the latest M-Audio drivers installed and selected.
I set up all my software to use the M-Audio as default.
Via USB: Waldorf Blofeld, Kore 2, Korg R3, Edirol USB-Midi interface, Alesis Photon X25, P/head Ignition key, Syncrosoft dongle.
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 12:27 AM
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Goseba
ba_midi
Maybe I should become a beta tester, I obviously have an untested set-up.
You either have a hardware or a hardware driver problem. I'd bet on that.
Maybe I have, maybe I haven't, but it doesn't affect the fact that my other hosts and software run on the PC without a problem.
I want software I can use, not spend hour after hour having to troubleshoot - Sonar has been unique in this respect for me.
And having paid a fair chunk of money for 8.5PE I think I have the right to feel agrieved.
Ok ... I've stayed out of this as long as I can. :) Here goes ... I agree with you 100% Goseba. I've tried to make this point many times and it seems to fall on deaf ears. The only reason I can think of that people accept the bugs in Sonar is, they aren't paying for it out of their own pockets. A lot of the people here work for pro studio's and to be quite frank they don't give a rats ass how much the software costs because they aren't paying for it. I feel your pain and it looks like we are in similar situations being that we both have project studios on a limited budget and expect what we pay our hard earned money for to work the way it says it is supposed to. Don't listen to the hype that "the vast majority run Sonar with no crashing or problems what so ever." because that simply is not true. The vast majority have found work-a-rounds to tweak Sonar in to working is more accurate ... and they don't mind because they didn't dish out $500 out of their own pocket. I saw another post talking about minimum system requirements and how the more software you add to your system, the more processing power you need. Ok, I agree with that ... but what about those of us who are just running the OS and Sonar? Do the minimum system requirements take in to account the OS or did the developers run Sonar off a DOS boot floppy? Ah well ... I'm all out of steam. :) Good luck with this Goseba. I'm on your side. +1 Shane
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 12:32 AM
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Ok ... I've stayed out of this as long as I can. :) Here goes ... I agree with you 100% Goseba. I've tried to make this point many times and it seems to fall on deaf ears. The only reason I can think of that people accept the bugs in Sonar is, they aren't paying for it out of their own pockets. A lot of the people here work for pro studio's and to be quite frank they don't give a rats ass how much the software costs because they aren't paying for it. I feel your pain and it looks like we are in similar situations being that we both have project studios on a limited budget and expect what we pay our hard earned money for to work the way it says it is supposed to. Don't listen to the hype that "the vast majority run Sonar with no crashing or problems what so ever." because that simply is not true. The vast majority have found work-a-rounds to tweak Sonar in to working is more accurate ... and they don't mind because they didn't dish out $500 out of their own pocket. I saw another post talking about minimum system requirements and how the more software you add to your system, the more processing power you need. Ok, I agree with that ... but what about those of us who are just running the OS and Sonar? Do the minimum system requirements take in to account the OS or did the developers run Sonar off a DOS boot floppy? Ah well ... I'm all out of steam. :) Good luck with this Goseba. I'm on your side. +1 Shane
Wow - you make more assumptions in this one message than I think I've ever seen! And most of us trying to help Goseba feel his pain - or we wouldn't be trying to help.
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 12:35 AM
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Ok ... I've stayed out of this as long as I can. :) Here goes ... I agree with you 100% Goseba. I've tried to make this point many times and it seems to fall on deaf ears. The only reason I can think of that people accept the bugs in Sonar is, they aren't paying for it out of their own pockets. A lot of the people here work for pro studio's and to be quite frank they don't give a rats ass how much the software costs because they aren't paying for it. I feel your pain and it looks like we are in similar situations being that we both have project studios on a limited budget and expect what we pay our hard earned money for to work the way it says it is supposed to. Don't listen to the hype that "the vast majority run Sonar with no crashing or problems what so ever." because that simply is not true. The vast majority have found work-a-rounds to tweak Sonar in to working is more accurate ... and they don't mind because they didn't dish out $500 out of their own pocket. I saw another post talking about minimum system requirements and how the more software you add to your system, the more processing power you need. Ok, I agree with that ... but what about those of us who are just running the OS and Sonar? Do the minimum system requirements take in to account the OS or did the developers run Sonar off a DOS boot floppy? Ah well ... I'm all out of steam. :) Good luck with this Goseba. I'm on your side. +1 Shane
Wow - you make more assumptions in this one message than I think I've ever seen!
No more than the people I quoted. :)
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 12:43 AM
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the vast majority run Sonar with no crashing or problems what so ever." because that simply is not true Shane_B.
Where on earth did you come up with this?
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 12:44 AM
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No more than the people I quoted. :) Most in this thread have been offering constructive, detailed advice to help him. There's always the occassional wandering reply - but your assumptions are outstanding.
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 12:47 AM
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the vast majority run Sonar with no crashing or problems what so ever." because that simply is not true
Shane_B.
Where on earth did you come up with this?
Hehe, it's obvious he makes it up ;)
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 12:53 AM
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gwp99
the vast majority run Sonar with no crashing or problems what so ever." because that simply is not true
Shane_B.
Where on earth did you come up with this?
The same place the OP come up with "the vast majority run Sonar with no crashing or problems what so ever.".
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 1:04 PM
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The only reason I can think of that people accept the bugs in Sonar is, they aren't paying for it out of their own pockets. so what are you basing this assumption on? I have paid for all of my sonar and updates out of my own pocket and I know a lot of people I converse with on a regular basis have done the same. and FWIW, I do not have regular crashes and can think of several people who run one version or another who also do not have regular crashes. you assume way too much.
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 1:14 PM
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gwp99
the vast majority run Sonar with no crashing or problems what so ever." because that simply is not true Shane_B.
Where on earth did you come up with this?
Hehe, it's obvious he makes it up ;)
There is no one here who can say they use Sonar and all it's functions and it runs flawlessly. It's, "simply not true". The statement that, "the vast majority run Sonar with no crashing or problems what so ever." is just as ludicrous to me as what I said is to you. I'm not singling out the OP of the sentence I'm quoting ... I've seen many other people post similar comments and again it's simply not true. Have you ever used the 64Vocal plug ... the controls vanish every other click. Automation settings reset on their own. Dim Pro has instruments out of tune, and the latest update 1.5 reeks all kinds of havoc. Those are just a few off the top of my head. Don't even get me started on Sonar 64 bit. I could write volumes. Come on guys ... you can poke fun and bust my nuggets all you want, but the one thing you honestly can't say with a straight face is ... "the vast majority run Sonar with no crashing or problems what so ever.". Shane :)
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 1:20 PM
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bugs do not necessarily = crashes. I don't think anyone here has said that sonar is 100% bug free. if they did then they'd be lying.
but a bug doesn't necessarily cause a sonar crash like the OP is describing. crashes typically come from poorly written drivers or driver conflicts.
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 1:24 PM
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Shane_B.
ba_midi
gwp99
the vast majority run Sonar with no crashing or problems what so ever." because that simply is not true
Shane_B.
Where on earth did you come up with this?
Hehe, it's obvious he makes it up ;)
There is no one here who can say they use Sonar and all it's functions and it runs flawlessly. It's, "simply not true".
The statement that, "the vast majority run Sonar with no crashing or problems what so ever." is just as ludicrous to me as what I said is to you. I'm not singling out the OP of the sentence I'm quoting ... I've seen many other people post similar comments and again it's simply not true.
Have you ever used the 64Vocal plug ... the controls vanish every other click. Automation settings reset on their own. Dim Pro has instruments out of tune, and the latest update 1.5 reeks all kinds of havoc. Those are just a few off the top of my head. Don't even get me started on Sonar 64 bit. I could write volumes.
Come on guys ... you can poke fun and bust my nuggets all you want, but the one thing you honestly can't say with a straight face is ... "the vast majority run Sonar with no crashing or problems what so ever.".
Shane :)
Well, I'll tell ya what, Shane. You switch to another host of your choice - use it for a few years as you have/would Sonar, and if you don't find as many if not more problems with it, I'll give you $100 bucks at that time. I might even make it $200. You're just NOT going to find ANY piece of software that does not have its fair share of problems. And everyone I know that uses DAW software and still has any semblance of rationality left will admit and agree I'm sure. So what's your real point? You think there's some nervana software out there? Or do you just like to make statements based on assumptions, and just like to whine? There are ALWAYS "workarounds" in EVERY Product. Including Windows. It's just a fact of life in the digital domain. One can either be pro-active about such things and try to discover causes (and report bugs when found so they can be fixed), and one can be logical about resolving the problems -- or one can just whine an complain and approach it as if the world is against them or owes them something. MOST of us in this thread have been diligently trying to help the OP. Your post sounds like someone in the "Misery Loves Company" chorus. Over the amost 8 years I've been involved in this forum I have seen many come and go - and the ones with problems who "work it through" with the help of the other generous users here - usually get their problems resolved. Take off the blinders. We're dealing with computers and software. There will be problems, just as there are and always will be in life itself. We have to approach these things sensibly. If you want a product to work 100% right 100% of the time, I think you may discover that's just not a reality and may never be. Again - most of us have been trying to help constructively. But it takes two to tango.
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 1:34 PM
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The same place the OP come up with "the vast majority run Sonar with no crashing or problems what so ever.". That was my post not the OP's. I guess you can't believe that because you are not having an issue free time with Sonar. Try thinking about it beyond your own experience. Look at the number of threads on this forum that complain about Sonar crashing. Then look at the number of Sonar users. They don't match. Or look at the number of forum members and then look at the crash reports. Again they don't match. As to me or anyone not paying for Sonar on this forum. There are some that don't pay for it and I believe that those that don't is a major reason we do see posts about crashing. If I were just starting out with a product and all it did was crash I would call the company and find out why. Maybe the reason so many don't bother CW is because they can't and come here seeking free help. I assure you I have paid for every version I have ever used except for demos. BTW that would be every version that CW has put out. You have been here one year and you came on here with issues. That is not our fault. We have tried to help you solve any problems you have had. Now you attack the very people that tried to help you. To what end? To announce to the world that you can't get your computer to work when again most everyone else can? What you need to do is contact CW Tech support and get them to fix your issues and stop attacking the forum members that are here to be of help. No one here is obligated to help or can guarantee a fix. Yet we try every day to be of service to our fellow Sonar users. You on the other hand are just a negative voice offering no real solution.
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 1:36 PM
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Beagle
The only reason I can think of that people accept the bugs in Sonar is, they aren't paying for it out of their own pockets.
so what are you basing this assumption on? I have paid for all of my sonar and updates out of my own pocket and I know a lot of people I converse with on a regular basis have done the same. and FWIW, I do not have regular crashes and can think of several people who run one version or another who also do not have regular crashes. you assume way too much.
I believe you when you say you do not have "regular" crashes ... but if you would have said "no crashing or problems what so ever." that's a different story ... see the difference? You can't honestly say, "no crashing or problems what so ever." with any software can you? Hell, my PS3 crashes sometimes. Ok ... let's take a poll ... Who here has never had a crash or problem while running Sonar what so ever? Please list your version and system specs that way those of us who do have crashes and problems can go buy your exact setup and version of Sonar.
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 1:37 PM
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I can't claim I'm speaking for "the vast majority" or claim to use "all it's functions" but I can claim that Sonar x64 (V8.3.1) under Win 7 x64 in my present set up has never crashed. I am a hobbyist, pay for it myself and probably use it on average for about 30 hours a week mostly in a couple of longish 10-12 hour sessions. In the project I'm currently working on I have about 8 or 9 instances of V-Vocal open on clips of between 20 secs and about 3 mins, no bouncing no problems, ever.
I have however had problems in the past with the x32 (same version) under XP SP3 which was apparently down to Alesis drivers. Whether that's Cakewalk's fault for the way it uses the interface or Alesis's fault for poorly written drivers is open to debate but just goes to show that drivers, etc do play a big part in what works and what doesn't.
I would again encourage the OP to invest some time in trying to find what is causing the issue and then try to fix the problem. Try looking at the "Event Log" for clues initially. Of course if time isn't an option then move on to another program and hope that fixes the problem. If the problem was Sonar, and Sonar alone then every body would be having the same problems which they quite obviously aren't.
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 1:37 PM
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Goseba
Via USB: Waldorf Blofeld, Kore 2, Korg R3, Edirol USB-Midi interface, Alesis Photon X25, P/head Ignition key, Syncrosoft dongle.
Oh... which of those devices do you have configured for I/O in SONAR? And would that list of I/O devices be different than other software? I would start disabling the MIDI I/O devices at the SONAR level one by one until you can't reproduce the issue... If the problem persists across reboots then the only thing I can imagine is the device itself is being put to sleep and doesn't wake up. Another thing you could try is repro the issue, get SONAR into a stuck state, then power cycle each MIDI device one by one and see if SONAR gets unstuck (wait a few seconds between each device)... that'll definately wake 'em up. :) If that doesn't help you can at least (reasonably) rule out USB/device sleep states... Even if you use the exact same set of MIDI I/O in other apps, SONAR's MIDI implementation may either try to keep devices locked or open, or vice versa may only lock/open the device as needed... so even with the same set of MIDI devices another app may not experience the behavior.
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 1:40 PM
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Beagle
The only reason I can think of that people accept the bugs in Sonar is, they aren't paying for it out of their own pockets.
so what are you basing this assumption on? I have paid for all of my sonar and updates out of my own pocket and I know a lot of people I converse with on a regular basis have done the same. and FWIW, I do not have regular crashes and can think of several people who run one version or another who also do not have regular crashes. you assume way too much.
I believe you when you say you do not have "regular" crashes ... but if you would have said "no crashing or problems what so ever." that's a different story ... see the difference?
You can't honestly say, "no crashing or problems what so ever." with any software can you? Hell, my PS3 crashes sometimes.
Ok ... let's take a poll ...
Who here has never had a crash or problem while running Sonar what so ever? Please list your version and system specs that way those of us who do have crashes and problems can go buy your exact setup and version of Sonar.
Wow, Shane. Again with the assumptions. I have had NO CRASHES of Sonar which were not my fault. I'll clarify that if you wish - I have had 2 times where sonar had crashed, both times I had changed some WINDOWS START UP programs and services to not start up with Windows using msconfig. after restoring something that I had accidentally disabled, sonar worked perfectly. my system specs are in my signature.
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September 28, 10 1:41 PM
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Ok ... let's take a poll ... Who here has never had a crash or problem while running Sonar what so ever? Please list your version and system specs that way those of us who do have crashes and problems can go buy your exact setup and version of Sonar. You're missing the point.
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 1:52 PM
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I had a plugin crash a while back but not Sonar. Sonar just reported the crash and exited just fine because I was closing Sonar. Sonar is a very robust program and CW has done a lot of work making that the case. My history with CW products is one where they would work when others wouldn't. No one is claiming that Sonar can't crash or that it can't be broken. What we are trying to get across is that an unstable Sonar is unusual. If Sonar is crashing on a given machine its due usually to some device or instability in the machine itself. Windows has a problem report function that keeps track of crashes. View the problem history to help track down these problem. Send to CW as well for their help in finding a fix.
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 2:06 PM
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Shane_B.
Ok ... let's take a poll ...
Who here has never had a crash or problem while running Sonar what so ever? Please list your version and system specs that way those of us who do have crashes and problems can go buy your exact setup and version of Sonar.
As requested............ Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 (2.4ghz) Socket 775 FSB1066 4MB Cache overclocked to 3.1ghz Asus P5B Socket Lga775 Core 2 Duo Intel P965 Fsb1066 8gb Ddr2 Sata 300 Gigabit Lan 8chn Audio ASUS EAX1050TD X1050 256MB DDR DVI TV Out PCI-E Graphics Card Kingston 4GB KIT (2X2GB) DDR2 667MHz/PC2-5300 CL5 Non Ecc 1.8V Seagate ST3500418AS 500GB Hard Drive SATAII 7200rpm 16MB Cache x 2 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium x64 Power supply - 750W Sonar PE8.3.1 x64 Allen & Heath ZED-R16 works a treat with the NIC disabled, locks up with it enabled (computer not Sonar)............
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September 28, 10 2:07 PM
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The same place the OP come up with "the vast majority run Sonar with no crashing or problems what so ever.".
That was my post not the OP's. I guess you can't believe that because you are not having an issue free time with Sonar.
I made it clear I wasn't singling you out and that I've seen other people state that. Try thinking about it beyond your own experience. Look at the number of threads on this forum that complain about Sonar crashing. Then look at the number of Sonar users. They don't match.
Look at the number of people who use a version of MS Windows and check out their forums. Is Windows (any version) bug free? Or look at the number of forum members and then look at the crash reports. Again they don't match.
I get a lot of PM's from people saying they run in to the same thing's I do, but they don't say anything because they don't want to get attacked the way I do for speaking my mind, and they've tried Cakewalk tech support and got nowhere. As to me or anyone not paying for Sonar on this forum. There are some that don't pay for it and I believe that those that don't is a major reason we do see posts about crashing. If I were just starting out with a product and all it did was crash I would call the company and find out why. Maybe the reason so many don't bother CW is because they can't and come here seeking free help. I assure you I have paid for every version I have ever used except for demos. BTW that would be every version that CW has put out.
When I referred to those who don't pay for it I referred to people who work in studio's who have it paid for by the studio.
You have been here one year and you came on here with issues. That is not our fault. We have tried to help you solve any problems you have had. Now you attack the very people that tried to help you. To what end? To announce to the world that you can't get your computer to work when again most everyone else can?
I've been here for many years, I've just never had to sing up and log in to ask for help with SPE4. My PC is working fine, it's Sonar that crashes. LOL!
What you need to do is contact CW Tech support and get them to fix your issues and stop attacking the forum members that are here to be of help.
I didn't attack anyone, I just stated my opinion. Sorry that rubs folks the wrong way. For the record, I have contacted CW support.
No one here is obligated to help or can guarantee a fix. Yet we try every day to be of service to our fellow Sonar users. You on the other hand are just a negative voice offering no real solution.
Actually, I was being supportive of the person who started this thread. I feel the same way he does. So how is that being negative? Man, you guys are touchy here. All I did was try to help the OP by supporting him and look at the attacks I'm getting. And you ridicule me?
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 2:08 PM
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Ok ... let's take a poll ...
Shane_B.
Now Shane...this might be considered thread hi-jacking..start another if you wish, but please try to stick to topic. The OP stated he was having Sonar crashing ... this is a far cry from equating the relevancy of this to Dim Pro has out of tune samples! Dim Pro has never crashed my system when I loaded these un-tuned samples...but try switching off and on a DigiDesign and/or Steinberg interface while Sonar is running...you bet!
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Shane_B.
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 2:19 PM
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gwp99
Ok ... let's take a poll ...
Shane_B.
Now Shane...this would be considered tread hi-jacking a thread...start another if you wish, but please try to stick to topic.
The OP stated he was having Sonar crashing ... this is a far cry from equating the relevancy of this to Dim Pro has out of tune samples!
You're 100% right. Thanks and my apologies. Shane
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johnnyV
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 2:28 PM
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Just did a very quick read of this thread,, I find there are some important points missing and that if you do a few very simple things your problems most likely will dissolve. I am not a fan of cluttering up a computer and then monkey wrenching it back in shape! XP takes less than an hour to do a clean install. No other method will give you the clean bill of health this gives you. Your sound card is very old? 2003? I would see if you can borrow a modern USB interface or better yet buy one, it's way overdue. Have you ran any latency tests? If not you cannot expect to know what your computer is capable of. 
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johnnyV
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 2:30 PM
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A quick check of the reviews of this card show many issues and latency problems.
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Jim Roseberry
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 3:31 PM
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Shane,
The vast majority of Sonar users do not encounter show-stopping stability issues.
Otherwise, the company would be out of business...
Regarding issues like Vvocal... or your example of the included plugin, yeah... I agree that it should work as expected.
But these types of issues are *easy* to work around.
I'm not going to lose any sleep over Vvocal when Melodyne is available.
I'm not going to get my blood pressure up over any included plugin... when there's a plethora of other (similar - and some would say better) options available.
I think it's just a matter of priority... and picking/choosing your battles.
Way back at Pro Audio 4 (first version of Cakewalk to offer audio recording - @16Bits), I struggled to get stable operation of the application. And yes, I had the same attitude (must be crap software).
Took me a while to figure it out... but ultimately the problem wasn't CPA... it was my hardware/config.
Once that was squared away... CPA worked as expected.
We talk about this regularly, but you can throw out any major DAW application... and experienced users can "shoot holes" in it. They all have issues/limitations/etc...
In another thread, one Sonar user mentioned composing 5 pieces of completed music in an afternoon.
IMO, That's a fairly productive day.
To use a sports analogy (cheesy I know)... this guy's got the ball... scans the field and see's that the left side of the line is plugged up... so he's going to cut right and head for the end-zone.
That doesn't mean Sonar's perfect/flawless... but it's certainly a productive tool for many end users.
"If you can't be with the one you love (the perfect DAW), love the one you're with."
Learn to make the situation work...
-Sometimes that may mean a hardware change.
-Sometimes that may mean a config tweak.
-Sometimes that may mean finding a work-around.
No matter which platform/application you choose... you'll have to find ways to circumvent problems/limitations/etc.
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Beagle
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 3:43 PM
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johnnyV
A quick check of the reviews of this card show many issues and latency problems.
I used an m-audio delta 44 for several years until the card itself had a hardware failure. both the AP 2496 and the delta 44 use the same drivers. it does not have latency problems or other issues unless there are driver conflicts like with webcams, NICs, or video cards sharing IRQ, etc.
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gwp99
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 5:48 PM
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and Sonar 9 will reset the clock for all of these threads...
CW must be quite proud (and rightly so) to have brought Sonar to this stage, if it has come down to these types of threads that dominate the forum posts...
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