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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 5:56 PM
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Like I say it was a very quick check, I was just surprised at how old the card is. Its the same vintage as my Audigy. Most of the reviews were ****ing about latency issues but I guess your right , every interface can have issues if they are not set up properly. I think the OP's problems are related to vintage gear. just a wild shot.
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 6:33 PM
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I have thoroughly read the whole thread and knowing that Im risking being acused of being ignorant or coming up from nowhere I feel I have the need to express my thoughts. Clarification: I have NEVER had ANY crash with Sonar EVER. Right, now that being said, I honestly agree with the OP that this is Sonar's fault, or to put it better its developer team fault. Before rushing into replying however with facts (indeed) that have already been mentioned let me analyse my view. We have a computer which runs an OS and DAWs A, B, and Sonar. Now according to OP (and many people posting similar issues) A and B run flawlessly but Sonar doesn't. Then we read all the usual aspects that perhaps our system isn't fine-tuned and by luck alone only Sonar exposes this flaw. Thenn, by all honesty, I tend to think that since A and B DAWs developers overcame that flaw and only Sonar exposes it, then those who develop Sonar SHOULD have seen it coming. Then I read some other replies, for example replaced dlls and stuff. Im not in any way disrespecting the views of these people, and frankly they must surely know more than me in computers but anyways we have a saying in my homeland which I HOPE makes sense in english: "The exception confirms the rule" The explanations given seem to me like RARE examples of what might go wrong in the computer world and frankly I think when troubleshooting machines we seek for the "rule" first and not the exception if you get me. Having a dll replaced sometime in a user's computer by a software installation doesn't exaclty sound like the primary suspect of th eOP's (and many other posters' problems). And again, if all other programs work correctly with this replaced dll then again its Sonar's developers' fault for not having seen it coming. AGAIN, please do not take my views as disrespect to answers of people in this thread or indeed Sonar's developers. I REPEAT , Sonar has NEVER crashed on me once. But this is something far different from seeing a thread where all posible and far out explanations have been given to OP despite the most obvious one: "For whatever reason, yes mate Sonar IS picky with you, and for another whatever reason it DOESNT like YOUR system, forget about it and move on to another DAW" In all honesty, that's what I did years ago when a Sonar's competitor was picky with MY system. I gave it some tries, but after a month or so I accepted the fact that for whatever reason (indeed the variables are too many) it was Steincrasher for me. I switched to Sonar, it wouldnt crash, I keep all the variables the same till then - as in I do change hardware but always buy from the vendors proven to work FOR ME (same vendor mobo, same vendor RAM, etc etc) and Sonar and Im a happy camper! Again I stress the fact that the OP's situation is what brought me to Sonar years ago and for all I care, for MY situation it was the other program's fault for not predicting my system variables! EDIT: So to reply to those saying that "switiching DAW is not going to solve your problem, you have to troubleshoot" again without wanting to start a war, this WAS the case for me - all problems solved when I switched to Sonar ....hmm, ironic, isnt it?
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 6:39 PM
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The only reason I can think of that people accept the bugs in Sonar is, they aren't paying for it out of their own pockets.
so what are you basing this assumption on? I have paid for all of my sonar and updates out of my own pocket and I know a lot of people I converse with on a regular basis have done the same. and FWIW, I do not have regular crashes and can think of several people who run one version or another who also do not have regular crashes. you assume way too much.
I believe you when you say you do not have "regular" crashes ... but if you would have said "no crashing or problems what so ever." that's a different story ... see the difference?
You can't honestly say, "no crashing or problems what so ever." with any software can you? Hell, my PS3 crashes sometimes.
Ok ... let's take a poll ...
Who here has never had a crash or problem while running Sonar what so ever? Please list your version and system specs that way those of us who do have crashes and problems can go buy your exact setup and version of Sonar.
I can honestly tell you Sonar has never crashed since I got the laptop in my sig, Xp 32 bit, 8.52 now. No crash for over a year, recording 6-20 tracks at once about 4-6 times a week. The only time I got a crash using Win7 64 bit (mixing computer) was when I closed one song and opened another one to soon.
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 6:45 PM
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I get sick of these posts, IT"S NOT SONAR, IT IS YOUR COMPUTER OR YOUR HARDWARE!!!!! I have run Sonar sucseffully now for 8 years. Whenever I have trouble it is a Hardware issue or a computer issue. Go back and check everything and I will be proved right. My Two Cent's “In Search Of The Lost Digital Chord” Down with the false Gods. (Audio Schools) Viva la Revolution Sonar Forever, Pro Tools Never Ben B.C.T (Bachelor of Creative Technology) http://www.myspace.com/audiomystics
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 7:01 PM
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We have a computer which runs an OS and DAWs A, B, and Sonar. Now according to OP (and many people posting similar issues) A and B run flawlessly but Sonar doesn't. Then we read all the usual aspects that perhaps our system isn't fine-tuned and by luck alone only Sonar exposes this flaw. Thenn, by all honesty, I tend to think that since A and B DAWs developers overcame that flaw and only Sonar exposes it, then those who develop Sonar SHOULD have seen it coming.
If A, B and Sonar were on independent systems (i.e. NOT sharing the same machine), I might agree with you. However, your logic - and you are not alone , many people posting here make the same logic mistake - is flawed when DLLs and OS system settings can be overwritten, trampled or erased. I have only had chronic crash problems with Cakewalk/Pro Audio/Sonar when I've put other DAWs on the same machine (or I've used a sub-par audio interface). The Alien runs one and only one DAW...Sonar 8.5.3. I am VERY productive on this (hardware) engineered and (software) release-managed platform. If people expect professional performance and results, they need to use professional platforms and stop cobbling junk together to save pennies (and waste weeks of their time).
post edited by Sijel - September 28, 10 7:03 PM
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 7:02 PM
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It depends how much you like Sonar vs. how much you like your existing computer. For any DAW on the planet,
you can find a hardware configuration that will cause problems. Unless you have something "built into the computer"
like Garage Band from Apple, you have a chance something won't work somewhere.
Sonar is important enough to many of us around here that we will build/buy our computers around it. But for you, it might be less hassle to get Mackie Traktion or Protools LE with a USB box and see if it's compatible with your computer.
Sonar has been running flawlessly on my system ever since I installed it. Cakewalk is fully committed to Windows, and
have been at this for a long time. If there was a scientific survey conducted examining the systems and experiences of
thousand of users, I would imagine Sonar has a comparatively low problem rate pound-for-pound with Windows.
Sorry to see you're having a bad time of it. The unfortunate irony is you could probably go down the street to the local electronics store, spend $500 on a stock desktop computer, and Sonar would run fine on it.
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Goseba
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 7:09 PM
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I get sick of these posts, IT"S NOT SONAR, IT IS YOUR COMPUTER OR YOUR HARDWARE!!!!!
I have run Sonar sucseffully now for 8 years. Whenever I have trouble it is a Hardware issue or a computer issue. Go back and check everything and I will be proved right.
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I am so pleased for you - 8 years of successfully resolving hardware/computer problems just to keep Sonar running. That was such a helpful post, just like all the others that get in the way of actual helpful suggestions. Wasn't even worth 2 cents.
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 7:13 PM
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Sijel
If people expect professional performance and results, they need to use professional platforms and stop cobbling junk together to save pennies (and waste weeks of their time).
Having paid good money for it I just expect it to work. Some of us are not made of money and music is a hobby. Sonar was a big investment for me.
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 7:17 PM
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Shane, I think in your empathic zeal, you let your emotional side rule your logical mind  . The logic doesn't hold water, friend.  BTW - I buy my Sonar and DAW with my own hard-earned money. If a tool doesn't crank - it's knocked outta da box (literally)! If Sonar is SOOOO BAD, why would a For-Profit Pro Studio business shell out money on something that: A) doesn't work enough to return a hefty ROI, and B) wastes the (scarce) time of their talented resources - especially when that talent is getting paid real $ during that time? Actually, as an investor in creative businesses, I expect a HIGHER return on investment than someone in a small business. Afterall, that small studio person can do things (like flounder aimlessly) for the love of the art. If an engineer /producer is doing that with my money, they won't be doing it for long. I feel the OP's pain from my own experiences many years ago... but he needs to get a good engineered machine, one of the many great audio interfaces, and load only Sonar on it. Unfortunately, once he does that, we'll never hear from him again... have you noticed that people don't post when they are busy producing music like a bat outta hell?! <pun intended>
post edited by Sijel - September 28, 10 7:25 PM
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 7:22 PM
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As there does not appear to be legions of supporters (as they would all be on here complaining about how they got ripped off of their hard earned $ from CW) of your initial post, says something.
You said that you only had a couple of hours a week for this, and the fact that you run all these other DAWS, leads one to wonder.... "wtf?"
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Sijel
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 7:23 PM
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Having paid good money for it I just expect it to work. Some of us are not made of money and music is a hobby. Sonar was a big investment for me. So to protect that investment, you loaded it up with a bunch of other DAWs? I've noticed many of the other people complaining on this forum claim to have 2,3,4 other DAWs on the box. Did it ever occur to anyone that perhaps these DAWs are trampling each other?
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Goseba
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 7:24 PM
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Sijel
I feel the OP's pain from my own experiences many years ago... but he needs to get a good engineered machine, one of the many great audio interfaces, and load only Sonar on it. Unfortunately, once he does that, we'll never hear from him again... have you noticed that people don't post when they are busy producing music like a bat outta hell?! <pun intended>
As pointed out many times, I don't have the luxury of being able to afford it. How many people have a PC with only Sonar loaded on it? Get real.
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Goseba
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 7:31 PM
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Sijel
Having paid good money for it I just expect it to work. Some of us are not made of money and music is a hobby. Sonar was a big investment for me.
So to protect that investment, you loaded it up with a bunch of other DAWs?
I've noticed many of the other people complaining on this forum claim to have 2,3,4 other DAWs on the box.
Did it ever occur to anyone that perhaps these DAWs are trampling each other?
The other DAW's currently installed all work fine now, and worked fine before I bought Sonar (not all I listed earleir are on the machine now though). I was hoping to make Sonar my main VST host alongside Reason/Record. (Oh, and R&R has NEVER crashed for me). Sonar was the last installed so I would have thought if anything, it would overwrite files.
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 7:46 PM
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We have a computer which runs an OS and DAWs A, B, and Sonar. Now according to OP (and many people posting similar issues) A and B run flawlessly but Sonar doesn't. I assert that it's an unfair comparison UNLESS the user has used A, B and C or whatever for the same amount of time doing the same detailed work. If it's just a casual use of any host, it cannot be compared to the host that is used most often. I don't know why that's a hard concept for some.
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Sijel
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 8:04 PM
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I AM REAL... my DAW PC only has Sonar and it works REAL well.
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 8:32 PM
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I AM REAL... my DAW PC only has Sonar and it works REAL well. And mine has MANY hosts and works REAL well ;)
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 8:38 PM
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While reading this thread on my web PC (A/B switch box - 2 PC's, sharing 1 monitor), and Exporting to an mp3 on my audio PC, the web PC crashed!..(1st time in years)...I had to reboot to get back here...but guess what...my Sonar mixdown kept exporting to the end - and I am now listening to my m/d....
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 8:40 PM
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Sijel
I AM REAL... my DAW PC only has Sonar and it works REAL well.
So you have a separate PC for all the other software you list in your sig? "Alienware Aurora (i7-920 CPU - Win7-64, 9G RAM - 3 x 1TB SATA, Dual 24" Mon, Norton Antivirus Gaming Ed, 100Mbps Ethernet)
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KRK Rokit6, Lefty Guitars & Bass, racks/pedals galore and many other things. "
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Goseba
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 8:54 PM
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gwp99
As there does not appear to be legions of supporters (as they would all be on here complaining about how they got ripped off of their hard earned $ from CW) of your initial post, says something.
You said that you only had a couple of hours a week for this, and the fact that you run all these other DAWS, leads one to wonder.... "wtf?"
By initial post, I assume you mean mine. I don't get your point though? And why do you wonder WTF? For what it is worth, I have a young family now, which takes time and money. I try to be self sufficient selling things to pay for things to support my hobby - I am not so selfish as to spend money on me to the detriment of my children. I had Live and sold it to pay for Sonar (which if you had read earlier posts you would have known). I have also pointed out that I don't have all the DAW's now. I have sold hardware off too. And yes, if Sonar could be resold I most likely would have sold it by now for all the grief it has given me. In years gone by I had the money and the time for my hobby.
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 9:07 PM
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works a treat with the NIC disabled, locks up with it enabled (computer not Sonar)............
I'm pretty sure this is a dumb question but what is NIC and how do I disable it?
Thanks very much,
Randy
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 9:12 PM
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g_randybrown
works a treat with the NIC disabled, locks up with it enabled (computer not Sonar)............
I'm pretty sure this is a dumb question but what is NIC and how do I disable it?
Thanks very much,
Randy
Network Interface Card. to disable it, go to MY NETWORKS right click on the network card and choose DISABLE. right click again to ENABLE
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 9:13 PM
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 9:14 PM
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This whole thread made me realize how lucky I've been throughout the years never to face similar issues, considering that I've started w/ a computer that clearly wasn't built and optimized for music - because I knew nothing about computers. Of course, along the way, I've learned to pick up better machines and parts. Still, judging from the signatures on this forum, my PCs typically cannot rival w/ the machines people here are working with. Nowhere near. Heck, my audio interface is 10 years old. But Sonar always works great. My own personal experience would therefore lead me to believe that Cakewalk products are incredibly robust. Of course there's always going to be bugs and glitches. But then some people experience the exact opposite - they put together a killer PC and end up w/ nothing but problems. Notice that if you hang around DAW software forums for long enough, you'll see that threads like this are a common denominator - just replace Sonar w/ Nuendo/Cubase/Pro Tools, etc... As for the OP's problem - the fact that the midi activity indicator stays on after Sonar exits is clearly a bad sign. Something is stuck there. If rebooting doesn't solve it, my guess would be that the faulty device is somehow disabled/blocked by Windows. Re-installing Sonar probably just refreshes it and makes it active until the next crash. I don't know - I am far from an expert... Anybody?
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Goseba
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 9:22 PM
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The midi icon would go at reboot, but then stay after Sonar crashed.
Having done the latest reinstall, Sonar has been ok for the limited use I have had with it last night.
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 9:31 PM
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As for the OP's problem - the fact that the midi activity indicator stays on after Sonar exits is clearly a bad sign. Something is stuck there. If rebooting doesn't solve it, my guess would be that the faulty device is somehow disabled/blocked by Windows. I must have missed this very critical piece of information. I don't know which post has it in it but if so then it is a MIDI device that is causing the problem. This should be a very simple thing to troubleshoot. All the OP needs to do is start Sonar with no MIDI install or on. Then goto the MIDI options and deselect any reference to a MIDI device. Close Sonar and restart with only one device hooked up. Goto Options MIDI and select that device and see if on closing Sonar leaves the MIDI activity still on. If so then this it problem if not repeat for each device. A quick way is do not do any of the above and simply unplug each MIDI device in turn until the MIDI activity is no longer on after closing Sonar. The one that causes the indicator to go off and exit is the problem device.
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 9:45 PM
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Thanks John!
With your contribution, this might turn to be my first quasi-helpful post. lol
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 10:01 PM
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Rain
Thanks John!
With your contribution, this might turn to be my first quasi-helpful post. lol
Actually I find all your posts interesting. Lets hope it does help.
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 10:10 PM
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My PC is working fine, it's Sonar that crashes. LOL!
Anyone who can make a statement like this is woefully ignorant of how PC's work. The way Windows is structured from an operating system viewpoint (and UNIX isn't, which is why it's so superior) is that every program essentially becomes part of the operating system. This is what DLL's are all about. Because of this, the distinction in crashes between a program and 'My PC' is very, very blurry. The ability of programs to misbehave and crash the whole thing takes on exponential possibilities when many different pieces of 3rd party code interact with each other. That's why all the experienced people here are talking about drivers--the drivers are 3rd party software integrated into the operating system that can destroy the operating system or other programs. Until you have traced exactly what happened when you see Sonar crash, you can make no claims as to whether it was Sonar or Sonar being taken out by something else. One thing that might be said is it's possible that Sonar isn't as robust in exception handling as maybe it could be, but even that's speculation.
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 10:16 PM
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John
As for the OP's problem - the fact that the midi activity indicator stays on after Sonar exits is clearly a bad sign. Something is stuck there. If rebooting doesn't solve it, my guess would be that the faulty device is somehow disabled/blocked by Windows.
I must have missed this very critical piece of information. I don't know which post has it in it but if so then it is a MIDI device that is causing the problem. This should be a very simple thing to troubleshoot. All the OP needs to do is start Sonar with no MIDI install or on. Then goto the MIDI options and deselect any reference to a MIDI device. Close Sonar and restart with only one device hooked up. Goto Options MIDI and select that device and see if on closing Sonar leaves the MIDI activity still on. If so then this it problem if not repeat for each device.
A quick way is do not do any of the above and simply unplug each MIDI device in turn until the MIDI activity is no longer on after closing Sonar. The one that causes the indicator to go off and exit is the problem device.
John, I was the one who originally asked the OP if the MIDI icon stayed or not -- and I, too, didn't see (or missed) his answer. However, it should be said that by itself it does not mean there's a MIDI device that's the 'sole' or 'main' culprit. There are situations where a bad plugin will crash a system along with Sonar and Sonar doesn't get a chance to execute a formal exit/shutdown of itself and the devices it loads. So, in simple terms, it may be another clue and may be a direct clue -- but it also may not be. It has to be investigated, however.
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Re:Sonar crashes yet again - Time to drop it
September 28, 10 10:17 PM
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Having paid good money for it I just expect it to work. Some of us are not made of money and music is a hobby. Sonar was a big investment for me.
You're confusing it with a toaster.
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