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Re: Sonar really needs a sampler.
2016/10/20 13:00:22
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As Maya Angelou said..."If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change your attitude."
I'm sure I could find a bunch of Maya Angelou quotes where she talks about being blunt, listening to our youth, and accepting constructive criticism. But why bother?
It's not necessary to interpret everything I say through the most negative filter possible. It's not about "defending Cakewalk," I think it's a pretty relevant quote to help people avoid being frustrated. IMHO it's right up there with Andy Warhol's “Sometimes people let the same problem make them miserable for years when they could just say, 'So what.'"
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Re: Sonar really needs a sampler.
2016/10/20 13:03:39
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Anderton
The purpose of this forum is to help people get the most out of SONAR. I don't consider telling people about the options for accomplishing what they want a sh*tshow.
It's not all about you, sir.
Where did that come from? Multiple people have described available options. The only reason for saying "I" is because it's my opinion that the community telling people about the options for accomplishing what they want to accomplish is not a sh*tshow. By definition, my opinion is all about me, although you're welcome to adopt the same opinion if you like 
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Re: Sonar really needs a sampler.
2016/10/20 13:08:00
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And finally...the OP raised a valid question, which produced valid answers about where to find quality free samplers to use with SONAR. I suspect for most people that's all they need, and are therefore grateful for this thread.
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Re: Sonar really needs a sampler.
2016/10/20 13:17:47
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Anderton
Where did that come from? Multiple people have described available options. The only reason for saying "I" is because it's my opinion that the community telling people about the options for accomplishing what they want to accomplish is not a sh*tshow. By definition, my opinion is all about me, although you're welcome to adopt the same opinion if you like
I've said it before, and it isn't an original concept, but an opinion cannot be objectively argued. Your opinion carries a great deal of weight here and you know that. Anderton
And finally...the OP raised a valid question, which produced valid answers about where to find quality free samplers to use with SONAR. I suspect for most people that's all they need, and are therefore grateful for this thread.
That's not how I read the OP. 3rd party solutions are nice, and I appreciate those contributions, but those are beside the point of "Sonar really needs a sampler."
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Re: Sonar really needs a sampler.
2016/10/20 13:22:30
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"Need" in this case is an opinion and therefore can't be objectively argued 
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Re: Sonar really needs a sampler.
2016/10/20 13:31:13
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"Need" in this case is an opinion and therefore can't be objectively argued
Does that mean that people shouldn't offer their opinions? Of course not. Most of these forums posts are someone's opinion.
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Re: Sonar really needs a sampler.
2016/10/20 13:43:34
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BobF
"Need" in this case is an opinion and therefore can't be objectively argued
Does that mean that people shouldn't offer their opinions? Of course not. Most of these forums posts are someone's opinion.
Isn't that what people are doing? Of course people should share their opinions.
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Re: Sonar really needs a sampler.
2016/10/20 13:44:43
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Re: Sonar really needs a sampler.
2016/10/20 14:20:56
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2016/10/20 14:22:29
This is an interesting debate. I'm glad to have read the thread because I found a great new, free sampler to experiment with (TX16W). Because I know little about sampling and beat slicing I approach the subject in a different way. I didn't want a sampler per se, I wanted sample libraries to reinforce my own creations. I found the libraries and they dictated what sampler I would be using. I bought Komplete because it was, well, complete.
Having a sampler without libraries to install was kind of useless for me. Good quality sample creation is a daunting task and not as simple as I thought it would be. So having a dedicated sampler created by Cakewalk would only be a partial solution for me. I would much rather have the bakers get timeline editing and clip management working smoothly. I'd also think they would have to get that gapless audio engine sorted before Sonar could be a really great sample performance tool.
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Re: Sonar really needs a sampler.
2016/10/20 21:14:41
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☄ Helpfulby telecharge 2016/10/20 21:39:18
telecharge
BobF
"Need" in this case is an opinion and therefore can't be objectively argued
Does that mean that people shouldn't offer their opinions? Of course not. Most of these forums posts are someone's opinion.
True, you can't argue objectively about solely an opinion. However, what you can do is argue objectively about the facts/analysis people use to arrive at those opinions. In the light of more accurate analysis or additional facts, opinions can and often do change. For example, suppose it was a fact that the only way to get a sampler for SONAR was to spend hundreds of dollars, a fact that other programs include samplers, and a fact that samplers are an essential part of modern music making. Based on those facts, forming an opinion that SONAR should have a sampler makes complete sense from a value standpoint - if you need a sampler, you would have to spend more money with SONAR that you don't have to spend with other programs. It would be very easy to justify that opinion based on an analysis of the facts. However, only two of those three facts are correct. Given that you can get free samplers which based on reports from the community work very well within SONAR, the opinion that SONAR needs a sampler from a value standpoint no longer holds up. However, it is also a fact that the solution for many people may require using a third-party plug-in. If the opinion is then that SONAR should have a sampler because the person holding that opinion does not want to use third-party plug-ins, then that is an opinion based on a fact so it cannot be disputed: SONAR requires a third-party plug-in (fact), and the person doesn't want to use a third-party plug-in (also a fact). People may disagree with that opinion because they don't care if it's a third party plug-in or not; that can't be disputed either because it is also based on fact. I try to present accurate data in the hopes that people will be able to form more accurate opinions. For example the market research I presented several months ago on music notation in software programs gave some pretty compelling reasons why anyone who claims there is a tremendous, universal clamor for programs to have notation is simply not supported by the facts. They can certainly base their opinion on "even if it wouldn't be a profitable venture for Cakewalk and imperil development of the program at large, it's so important for what I do that there should be better notation." That's a fact-based opinion that is indisputable...as is mine that notation is very important for the educational market. However my opinion has to be tempered, at least for now, by the facts regarding the market for music notation in DAWs. As to criticisms of SONAR, speaking for myself I have no problem with people who criticize SONAR. I have posted threads about bugs I've found in SONAR and corroborated threads from others who have found bugs. I have agreed with feature requests and posted several of my own. This is how the program gets better. The difference is that I don't call SONAR's developers "idiots" and "dumb-dumbs," or diss them for a "stupid" interface, or accuse them of making "bad" design decisions when the real problem is the user not reading the documentation. There is discourse, and there is civil discourse; I prefer the latter in all contexts, not just regarding this forum. Of course, we're all human but minimizing uncivil interchanges is a worthy goal...in my opinion
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Re: Sonar really needs a sampler.
2016/10/20 21:37:58
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Anderton
Of course, we're all human but minimizing uncivil interchanges is a worthy goal...in my opinion
+1 I read every word, Craig, and I'm with you for the most part. For the record, I have not engaged in any name calling or disparaging remarks directed at the bakers AFAIK. Perhaps I'm over-simplifying it, but my takeaway from the OP is: "Sonar could benefit from an integrated sampler." That's it. Simples. You either agree, or don't, and can express your opinion thusly.
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Re: Sonar really needs a sampler.
2016/10/20 21:50:33
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So, yeah, Sonar clearly needs a sampler……………… bladetragic
As far as being a "one stop solution". I'm not sure why people are acting as If I'm saying Cakewalk needs to move the mountains and the heavens to include an up-to-date sampling solution.
Which, of course, is probably why Telecharge posted this …… telecharge
You're likely wasting your time here. I suggest putting in a feature request and moving on.
Bladetragic, you made many great points. Given your stated perspective, I actually think you’re quite right. But, ya know…………………………… Anderton
The difference is that I don't call SONAR's developers "idiots" and "dumb-dumbs," or diss them for a "stupid" interface, or accuse them of making "bad" design decisions when the real problem is the user not reading the documentation.
Now C'mon Craig. William Copper did NOT participate in this discussion............... 
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Re: Sonar really needs a sampler.
2016/10/21 03:43:07
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i don't think that Cakewalk should join samplers race.
however it would be for sure interesting if kind of new
approach is introduced.
lets say that you have some track (Track A) with some melody
(no matter - audio or midi/synth).
it would be awesome to have ability to add custom layering
to that track with help of DAW itself.
so lets say that workflow is this one:
1. create new audio Track B
2. send copy of Track A to Track B
3. put XXXX plug in FX bin of Track B
4. set the plug up so that each sound that
comes within certain range of amplitude
triggers MIDI message about certain note
with certain velocity being played.
(note is automatically determined of cause)
in theory this plug may allow you to make more than
one such layer. so lets imagine there may be 8 of them
5. for each layer you create instrument track.
make Enable Midi input and assign input as one of layers
outputs tracks.
6. process and mix these layer tracks just as you want
i don't know if i described an idea that well but consider this
XXXX plug as a kind of "Drum Replacement idea" being
developed in more extended way.
to me this could look like much better alternative to "what
Cakewalk could do" comparing to sampler.
there are lots of samplers out there. but i believe there is
no powerful layering unit there and this is the area where
Cakewalk could benefit. (this could even be ProChannel plug
i guess).
so as example:
lets say you recorded some piano track.
then with help of the XXXX layering plug you:
* add slight brass accent sound to most loud notes
* add some pad-like atmospheric sound to notes in C3 octave (but transpose them up by 2 octaves)
* add double bass pizzicato to notes in lowest octave when they are very quiet
* and so on
this is just an example of cause, but imho there could be just endless
possibilities and ways for creativity there.
so i will try to summarize a bit my idea:
* a plugin that analyses incoming audio stream and outputs midi messages
* various types of analysis base (amplitude ranges, frequency ranges, scales, time ranges etc)
* various types of midi output options (swing, transpose, randomize and so on)
* ability to add as many layers as you want (but i believe 16 would be just enough :))
i think this could be a killer unit in terms of arrangement.
(and we can leave playing sounds to samplers/synths).
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Re: Sonar really needs a sampler.
2016/10/21 04:01:30
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☄ Helpfulby Mystic38 2016/10/21 14:37:59
Anderton
Developing unique features, or a me-too plug-in? I prefer unique features but YMMV.
What if what you refer to as a "me too plugin" is something that really has become a standard that all your competitors offer, and is a pretty essential tool for a particular customer base who make up a large part of the market and you risk turning them off by not including that tool? There's so many reverbs, comps, EQ's, and saturation/tube plugs in Sonar to the point it's almost redundant at times, despite the fact there are even MORE third party options available for those sort of things than even a sampler. I would argue those are the most "me too plugins" of them all. If they can take the time to develop and include those, then why not a sampler?
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Re: Sonar really needs a sampler.
2016/10/21 04:10:40
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mdages
Is it somehow important or relevant whether a sampler plugin of Cakewalk itself or 3rd Party is?
Many of the plugins bundled with Sonar are 3rd party and not developed by Cakewalk.
Unlike other manufacturers, Cakewalk seems to be more a DAW developer and not a plugin provider.
So, what's the problem to use a free sampler vst plugin, like "Grace" for example.
http://www.onesmallclue.com/plugin/grace/
Because it's not bundled with the Sonar package?
-Markus
In a way, yes. The market pretty much dictates it at this point. When all you competitors offer one then you may just need to get on board. I don't see why anyone would think an acceptable answer to a potential customer who is trying to decide on purchasing your product would be: "Sure all our competitors have that feature/tool, but we don't. But hey there's this random company that we have no affiliation with whatsoever that makes a pretty cool plugin. Maybe you'll like that." I really think that is a terrible outlook/approach if you're trying to continue to expand your customer base.
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Re: Sonar really needs a sampler.
2016/10/21 04:13:30
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So, yeah, Sonar clearly needs a sampler………………
bladetragic
As far as being a "one stop solution". I'm not sure why people are acting as If I'm saying Cakewalk needs to move the mountains and the heavens to include an up-to-date sampling solution.
Which, of course, is probably why Telecharge posted this ……
telecharge
You're likely wasting your time here. I suggest putting in a feature request and moving on.
Bladetragic, you made many great points. Given your stated perspective, I actually think you’re quite right. But, ya know……………………………
I think a lot of people are missing that this isn't really all about me. It's about growth.
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Re: Sonar really needs a sampler.
2016/10/21 04:18:13
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abacab
By the way, there is another forum for product features and ideas.
Yes, and you will see I directed the OP there fairly early in this thread. However, with over 2100 views, there's obviously some interest in this thread.
Yep, you did. That's why I made the post in that section as well. I honestly didn't think this thread would get as much traction as it has. Very interesting.
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Re: Sonar really needs a sampler.
2016/10/21 06:53:43
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telecharge
abacab
By the way, there is another forum for product features and ideas.
Yes, and you will see I directed the OP there fairly early in this thread. However, with over 2100 views, there's obviously some interest in this thread.
Yep, you did. That's why I made the post in that section as well. I honestly didn't think this thread would get as much traction as it has. Very interesting.
The number of views always correlate with provoking title and the fact some users keep it "on top". Either that number correlates with the number of potentially interested users is an open question. Apart from one interesting link, the moto of this thread: a) "other DAWs" have it... my drumset does not need 88 keys because my piano has them. Also adding them so "a keyboard player choose to buy these drums" sound like a strange advice for me. Making Sonar DJ/Beat oriented means much more then adding one sampler plug-in, and just adding that one sampler plug-in will not improve Sonar as a DAW. If we speak about Sonar as a package, CW has declared that only new "core" plug-ins will be included, the rest are payed "add-ons". b) "third party plug-ins are not the same as CW plug-ins"... If you check precisely, most bundled plug-ins (including "build-in" ) are not developed by CW (or not by people which are currently working there). That is not a secret, check file names and "about"s. So the difference is only in "label". c) "that will attract more users"... till deep marketing research is done, also using resources/man power/foreseen development costs into account (and that part is unknown for anyone outside CW), such statements have no meaning.
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Re: Sonar really needs a sampler.
2016/10/21 07:25:48
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☄ Helpfulby Rain 2016/10/21 16:54:16
As an aside, kinda, and IMO, the reason why most film scores and jingles sound so lifeless these days is EXACTLY because of Kontakt. No one makes their own unique samples anymore - I can spot all the libraries time and again whilst trying to watch even some pretty high-end films and TV programs. It's the same reason Hip Hop and Rap artists should steer clear of Fruity Loops etc. You borrow from the collective pool, you're going to sound generic... Then there's this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vfqkvwW2fs
post edited by LJB - 2016/10/21 08:07:26
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Re: Sonar really needs a sampler.
2016/10/21 07:36:20
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As an aide, kinda, and IMO, the reason why most film scores and jingles sound so lifeless these days is EXACTLY because of Kontakt. No one makes their own unique samples anymore - I can spot all the libraries time and again whilst trying to watch even some pretty high-end films and TV programs. It's the same reason Hip Hop and Rap artists should steer clear of Fruity Loops etc. You borrow from the collective pool, you're going to sound generic...
Then there's this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vfqkvwW2fs
This is a great post. Originality, variation and differences. This is what makes good scores and good music. It stands out from the others. If you look at history and see the people who have really made their mark, they have often broke the boundaries. Made their own rules. That's not to say a sampler wont let you break new ground, I just find samples to be so easily recognized now a day. It something I am constantly working on. how to find something new. something no one has heard before. Something that's human with all the flaws humans make while recording.
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Re: Sonar really needs a sampler.
2016/10/21 07:52:06
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The number of views always correlate with provoking title and the fact some users keep it "on top". Either that number correlates with the number of potentially interested users is an open question.
I'm assuming you meant " Whether that number...." and I never said anything about the thread indicating the number of potentially interested users. So I'm not really sure what you're talking about. I assumed this thread would get dismissed fairly quickly, but there has been more back and forth discussion than I anticipated. azslow3
Apart from one interesting link, the moto of this thread:
a) "other DAWs" have it... my drumset does not need 88 keys because my piano has them. Also adding them so "a keyboard player choose to buy these drums" sound like a strange advice for me. Making Sonar DJ/Beat oriented means much more then adding one sampler plug-in, and just adding that one sampler plug-in will not improve Sonar as a DAW. If we speak about Sonar as a package, CW has declared that only new "core" plug-ins will be included, the rest are payed "add-ons".
Why would a drum set have 88 keys? I don't get how this analogy correlates at all. A DAW IS expected to work with samples. A drum set is not expected to have 88 keys. Sonar advertises itself as "The most complete music production package" right at the top of the Sonar web page. A drum set does not advertise itself as an instrument for keyboard players. Nor, is a drum set really a competing product to a keyboard. Sonar is in direct competition with "other DAWs", so lacking functionality that your competitors have is an important issue. I really don't get what you're trying to say here. azslow3
b) "third party plug-ins are not the same as CW plug-ins"... If you check precisely, most bundled plug-ins (including "build-in" ) are not developed by CW (or not by people which are currently working there). That is not a secret, check file names and "about"s. So the difference is only in "label".
The point is, they continue to find ways to include the same types of tools over and over even though there is a plethora of them already included and vast third party options. Who knows, maybe they'll find a third party to develop a decent included sampler. azslow3
c) "that will attract more users"... till deep marketing research is done, also using resources/man power/foreseen development costs into account (and that part is unknown for anyone outside CW), such statements have no meaning.
I started this thread saying this was my opinion based on my experiences and encounters with lots of producers/musicians, and being in a lot of different studio and music creating environments.
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Re: Sonar really needs a sampler.
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LJB
As an aide, kinda, and IMO, the reason why most film scores and jingles sound so lifeless these days is EXACTLY because of Kontakt. No one makes their own unique samples anymore - I can spot all the libraries time and again whilst trying to watch even some pretty high-end films and TV programs. It's the same reason Hip Hop and Rap artists should steer clear of Fruity Loops etc. You borrow from the collective pool, you're going to sound generic...
Then there's this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vfqkvwW2fs
I somewhat agree about lack of creativity, but I think that's more about the individual. Not really about the tools. To me, the tools are just a means to get our creative ideas out. I know hip-hop and rap artists/producers who make the same old sounding stuff with FL Studio, but I also know some people who make some incredible stuff with it as well.
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Re: Sonar really needs a sampler.
2016/10/21 08:08:46
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Sure, it's ALWAYS up to the individual. I just think amazingly powerful plugins like Kotakt are also amazingly sturdy crutches :O)
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Re: Sonar really needs a sampler.
2016/10/21 09:39:08
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bladetragic
azslow3
The number of views always correlate with provoking title and the fact some users keep it "on top". Either that number correlates with the number of potentially interested users is an open question.
I'm assuming you meant "Whether that number...."
You are right, after checking several discussions in Google I have understood the difference
and I never said anything about the thread indicating the number of potentially interested users. So I'm not really sure what you're talking about. I assumed this thread would get dismissed fairly quickly, but there has been more back and forth discussion than I anticipated.
My point was in the first sentence. More strait: (a) your subject is aggressive (as you could read, I am not the only one with such opinion) (b) every new post keep this thread "on top". Threads which these 2 properties are usually growing fast (in posts and views), completely independent from the subject...
azslow3
Apart from one interesting link, the moto of this thread:
a) "other DAWs" have it... my drumset does not need 88 keys because my piano has them. Also adding them so "a keyboard player choose to buy these drums" sound like a strange advice for me. Making Sonar DJ/Beat oriented means much more then adding one sampler plug-in, and just adding that one sampler plug-in will not improve Sonar as a DAW. If we speak about Sonar as a package, CW has declared that only new "core" plug-ins will be included, the rest are payed "add-ons".
Why would a drum set have 88 keys? I don't get how this analogy correlates at all. A DAW IS expected to work with samples. A drum set is not expected to have 88 keys. Sonar advertises itself as "The most complete music production package" right at the top of the Sonar web page. A drum set does not advertise itself as an instrument for keyboard players. Nor, is a drum set really a competing product to a keyboard. Sonar is in direct competition with "other DAWs", so lacking functionality that your competitors have is an important issue. I really don't get what you're trying to say here.
From the Roland site (for TD-50): "V-Drums redefined: ultimate expression for pro performance and studio work". "to play drums" is not written, but assumed. I guess there are many users of Sonar which do not create new samples every day (if at all). Most discussions in this forum are about mixing/mastering, where Sonar tries to be "most complete", adding related tools. There is no claim Sonar pretend to be the best for everything. Different programs target different workflows. Based on that, I think Sonar is not in direct competition with DJ/Loop oriented programs/DAWs, that was also discussed several times.
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b) "third party plug-ins are not the same as CW plug-ins"... If you check precisely, most bundled plug-ins (including "build-in" ) are not developed by CW (or not by people which are currently working there). That is not a secret, check file names and "about"s. So the difference is only in "label".
The point is, they continue to find ways to include the same types of tools over and over even though there is a plethora of them already included and vast third party options. Who knows, maybe they'll find a third party to develop a decent included sampler.
They update/add tools which they (CW) think should be added/updated. As I have just mentioned, they targeting mixing/mastering. And to keep things up to date, they are forced to do what they do. No one wrote in this thread that having some sampler bundled with Sonar is a bad idea. But there is a big difference between "nice to have" and "Sonar needs it".
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c) "that will attract more users"... till deep marketing research is done, also using resources/man power/foreseen development costs into account (and that part is unknown for anyone outside CW), such statements have no meaning.
I started this thread saying this was my opinion based on my experiences and encounters with lots of producers/musicians, and being in a lot of different studio and music creating environments.
Does that means that you know many producers/musicians which will SWITCH to Sonar in case there will be CW sampler plug-in?
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Re: Sonar really needs a sampler.
2016/10/21 11:34:48
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My question would be: what features should the "SONAR sampler" have? What should it do that Kontakt or Rapture or whatever don't do (apart from be "free")?
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Re: Sonar really needs a sampler.
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My question would be: what features should the "SONAR sampler" have? What should it do that Kontakt or Rapture or whatever don't do (apart from be "free")?
I think it would be really cool if it looked like this  http://www.pluginboutique...ment/1554-Transfuser-2
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Re: Sonar really needs a sampler.
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My main thing is how ?
where is Sonar supposed to come up with this Sampler ?
are they to make one from scratch ? use a 3rd party and pay a royalty fee ?
it might seem simple to do but designing any kind of plug in, to work well within Sonar isn't just a matter of throwing together a GUI with some buttons.
I think there is a little more to it than just "here is your Sampler'
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Re: Sonar really needs a sampler.
2016/10/21 13:00:12
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My main thing is how ?
where is Sonar supposed to come up with this Sampler ?
are they to make one from scratch ? use a 3rd party and pay a royalty fee ?
it might seem simple to do but designing any kind of plug in, to work well within Sonar isn't just a matter of throwing together a GUI with some buttons.
I think there is a little more to it than just "here is your Sampler'
Not really, they already have a few integrated tools that could just be tweaked to give more options. RXP could easily be updated to include looping options and a few extra must haves in a good sampler. Also SFZ could too, but RXP is already setup a little better for sampling than SFZ is. But then there is also Dropzone, which is their designated sampler. I've never really looked into it much, but maybe to make it as expected just a couple tweaks are needed. I know Rapture is included and it is a very good option for a sampler, however it being outdated by it's newer bigger brother, Rapture Pro, it's not going to get an update ever again, however Rapture Pro could be tweaked to have more looping options as well. All in all it would be nice to see since they even advertise it right on the main Sonar product page that it Sonar is good for Re-sampling and the first genre they recommend Sonar for is EDM which would HUGELY benefit from even just an expected sampler
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Re: Sonar really needs a sampler.
2016/10/21 14:45:37
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chuckebaby
My main thing is how ?
where is Sonar supposed to come up with this Sampler ?
are they to make one from scratch ? use a 3rd party and pay a royalty fee ?
it might seem simple to do but designing any kind of plug in, to work well within Sonar isn't just a matter of throwing together a GUI with some buttons.
I think there is a little more to it than just "here is your Sampler'
I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but one would hope the bakers could reuse code from Beatscape, Scratchpad (iOS), or even Kinetic -- as well as RXP ,SFZ, Drop Zone, and Cyclone mentioned previously. It seems to me the pieces are all there. I find myself wondering how much the departure of René G. Ceballos (the rgc of rgc:audio that Cakewalk purchased in 2005) has affected the direction of Cakewalk? He had his hands on a lot of this stuff.
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Re: Sonar really needs a sampler.
2016/10/21 14:48:38
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The OP has a valid point.
For a long time, CW has advertised Sonar with the word RECORDING as the paramount activity, and based upon the program that may or may not be accurate based upon your view and perception.
However, when CW makes a leap and state that Sonar is now "The most complete music production package", and do not have an included sampler, then sorry, from my perspective CW looks at best out of touch with the market and the competition.
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