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Re: Sonar v/ Protools 2014/02/04 08:14:03 (permalink)
Couple of points, about this idea that "professional" is some kind of synonym of "perfect and unchanging".
 
1/ It's just not. This is something you've just made up yourself, but there's no definition of the word or concept that conforms to it.
 
2/ You've said the same thing about five times at waffly length, in a freakishly babbling style. I think we've all now got what you're saying. But ironically, I think the odds of anyone agreeing actually go down the more you present this increasingly tortured nonsense.
 
There, I've said it. :)

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Re: Sonar v/ Protools 2014/02/04 08:17:23 (permalink)
I prefer to regard myself as a whore anyway ;)

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Re: Sonar v/ Protools 2014/02/04 09:23:40 (permalink)
I have no idea what this thread is about anymore 

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Re: Sonar v/ Protools 2014/02/04 09:28:50 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby John T 2014/02/04 09:33:37
The thread is about "Sonar" vs "Pro Tools"".... the Sonar bit has been covered, then the tools bit,, and now the pro bit. Joining it all up however has been difficult ;)

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Re: Sonar v/ Protools 2014/02/04 09:37:46 (permalink)
Yes, well I'm glad we got that cleared up.


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Re: Sonar v/ Protools 2014/02/04 09:38:25 (permalink)
Yes, thanks,  I feel very much enlightened. 

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Re: Sonar v/ Protools 2014/02/04 09:40:52 (permalink)
I think we should all post a long cogitation on the definition of "vs". That'd really shine some light on it.
 

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Re: Sonar v/ Protools 2014/02/04 09:57:00 (permalink)
 lol!!!

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Re: Sonar v/ Protools 2014/02/04 10:09:01 (permalink)
"vs".
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I think we should all post a long cogitation on the definition of "vs". That'd really shine some light on it.
 



Plenty of options:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VS
 
Vegetative State is my fav.
Vocal Score perhaps... (oh god here it comes, please Volti subito)..
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Re: Sonar v/ Protools 2014/02/04 13:08:19 (permalink)
See how debate seems to project perspectives of differing state of mind and thoughts of disfunction?...This is a debate on..Pro Tools Vs Sonar.
 
Again how does one define them?, if one does not use gauges of standard measure? or measure or truths? or some form of Perfection in those tools found to be standard, or measure of lies and those standards Proclaimed?..or all or none?....and if the defining truth is flawed.. Definition  being what?..."Standards meaning what?"...stability...reliable working ethics...If found in some form of dis-function, How can one base a Profession earning in Work ethic, if no standard is standard for long enough periods?.
Hence Technology keeps changing...moving in what direction?...and with that unknown coming and going all the time, to make change happen to make more things sold for or against some form of standard to never arrive in such platform....the Expert is no longer one...he or she become the student again.
 
I made a point that is somewhat true...and as far as I know Truth is with it, to some degree...and so I use the Vegetative  thought process to answer the odd question to the best odd way I can...that support the now.
 
And as I said computers keep changing...what once was high end and new, becomes old and unsupported eventually over time, and or dies out for the new best thing on the lawn sale floor.
 
Now if one bases the work and income on this..COMPUTER...it is a sure thing that money as income becomes outcomes Lost when one has to buy new continually and troubleshoot to make it work properly, if at all, under some method, standard rule, and function...and this is business with them also....but when said gear, software, and Operations are ****ed by a Bug issue somewhere in that as a constant...noted by all camps.
Is it wise to use one in that employment venture as a standard?, or does one use many to accomplish what one may not..or can not....And in that...cost to make it usable dependant on income or clients...in Avids terms is to buy their gear...which can be expensive...So income is used...now a business is suppose to bring in Income...if it is constantly outsourcing the income and more out of pocket, to make the profession work, and it limits the clients it can support...well their is another ethic of income being lost...and this is Professional or Pro at the helm?...in my understanding of that ethic of Profession, I see a big downturn, when that Process is flawed by the computer system and its bought into Parts failing...or in need of updating, which can cause mayham with all things based upon that...which if the system is made exclusive to one product line can be damaging to that income sought by the professional...which make that person not a professional at all in terms or work ethic or income coming in as it should or could when siding to one side or the other, with out seeing clear that none are totally reliable 100%, and they cannot be if updates and fixes are with them , and the base platform.
 
And in that it is not Professional Practice of a Profession to put something like this as a tool that may or may not continue to work 100% in line to make income of some expectations, or before earning any income.
 
That would be more Professional a Profession to take note of.
 
So backups come into play...We have some old stuff that still works, like tape base recorders, and such...see.
And one who has these things still working...when something else does not work...and this has happened with a studio I was going to....it closes down the show if that was the only thing availible...client goes else where...income lost.
 
That is not good business Practice to waste time and money on things that cannot become a Standard Yet...nor is it progress towards Professional practice in terms of the definition of Pro gear for industry if industries/technologies/trends needs keep changing what that should be...So in that..When making claims and statements to being something as a standard in, something that has none, to be as constant, or keeps changing the standard rule of thumb to gain in technologies and better stability or work ethic or product perfection....it is called a lie..... and things based on Lies or errors lose out, when found in such states....and or..is hexed...and or is in error...with this error in tongue and cheek...it filters down into the machine symbolically speaking...and thus my unexpected kind of thought process begins to take notation of...BUGS!...bad code/math/ or lies put in/ in the code to fix or cover up that lie..or to make exception for error=patch.
 
Now all professionals use a ruler = standard...and that standard ruler should be more prefect in its measure...so error is averted when using it...which makes a more perfect state of Profession.
 
Who uses a unreliable ruler to measure a line that needs to be straight and perfect?..who uses a un-straight edge to draw a straight line?
 
So if the tool is constantly being upgraded, and OS is also, most likely causing change to occur, to perfect or cause change or allow change to occur in it self, and gear,... and technology comes and goes...buying into something that locks down that system or work station to only allow it to run that Product line...is limiting the tool bases available, limiting the Professional, and Business practices, and clients it should be able to serve Perfectly.
 
So to my understanding of a Music Studio being some what a manner of employable interests..As there is a market for Music, and some are trying to do with computers and such...Something has to be hashed out that will accommodate that making and recording of it, so it can be packaged and sold...even that is now changing= the method to sell a product!
And there are many means to do so, not all are computer based...and that leaves open options as backup plan B, and C and so on...if one is crafty about it, they never see a down time in that studio...cause they covered all the bases...and then some.
 
Now to my mind , that is a more professional out look to take...in this time of change...and which DAW and computer base is not changing?...are we seeing truth Yet?...sonar x1-x3d and still it has issues...same with Pro Tools being the industry "standard" ?...Yep...and so...that is where I feel, the words uttered and used mean nothing...and the claims mean nothing...what works for the moment, and what choice taken if any, or take all, just to make sure..if you are planning to gain income from any...always have a back up plan.
 
That Is more Professional when working with tools that are not constant, or reliable 100% of the time..as good measure builds stronger level houses...as does truth...and being perfect in ethic when using these things brings greater long lasting Practices to the door.
 
And that would/should make good or better practice of being Profession... also trouble shooting new problems or problems as they arise...a computer Expert should know this, and we have them because those things do occur... do arise!...and another truth is with me.
 
So you see the lie, cause employment...it seems...and so I say they leave the lie there, so more employment can be made fixing it..or covering it up...or ignoring it, so there is always a issue...and a change coming to cost more and more..to make it work.
 
And we all know there are Issues with PCs and Macs...So should we wash the Goats, or pluck the chickens? or keep feeding the cows, knowing somewhere down the road it leads to a dead end eventually..or just play along for fun?..or make a tool that works as standard...I believe Avid tried.
 
Now in terms of Plugs...all of them were based on hardware...or sort of...and if hardware can be emulated as software...then Avid cut their throats in making their hardware a standard.
 
Now you see another point of truth?....and that hardware is becoming redundant...and so wasted time, and money in Business...industry suffers who bought in....and down time to change..if they did not see or foresee the future, or the trend of computer based platforms...equation of forethought or foresight...
 
it is evolving...it is always in a state of flux....it cannot be made a standard..as it has no boundries...it works , it some times does not work...it is perfected every so often..it is rethought as things progress....
It has to change to make it better...and it is getting better some ways...and in other circles it is getting worse.
 
So a give and take in that ideal...if truth was incorporated into it properly with the best parts available R&D to maximum performances and tested religiously, and the highest ethic in making the best of the best product for it...I would imagine it to be more a standard of merit, and longer lasting, working flawlessly with out any issues.
But that is not how the Cash COW works or functions...it need error, to make employment of variables...
 
Same with a lawyer..if there is no crime or broken law, or confusion causing disputes...There is no need for one!
And so Profession could be based on errors made by the economy or the people or the industry, so there can be employment in many fields pertaining to that error....Computer Expert is one..and I still say that one is still a student...wink.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Sonar v/ Protools 2014/02/04 13:11:37 (permalink)
Sir Les, are you on crack?

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Re: Sonar v/ Protools 2014/02/04 13:23:06 (permalink)
I think he's an email spam-bot that's escaped.

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Re: Sonar v/ Protools 2014/02/04 13:27:12 (permalink)
Told you...

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Re: Sonar v/ Protools 2014/02/04 13:32:27 (permalink)
Kill all vampires.


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Re: Sonar v/ Protools 2014/02/04 15:26:35 (permalink)
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What?!!!    Then who would make all the new movies and TV shows?
 


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Re: Sonar v/ Protools 2014/02/04 16:30:17 (permalink)
OMG, that dissertation is proof of the value of coherence and conciseness.

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Re: Sonar v/ Protools 2014/02/04 16:38:51 (permalink)
The ones that can, make..the ones that don't won't...there is no other way...
 
it could be considered crack based truth by some...but truth is what it is at heart...and I think heart makes fine music and movies because they find out how to, and do it.....How that is recorded is a matter of choice...and tools available that can do it consistently and of fine grade...if they lack something of method or law, or have bad platform bases...reliablilty is out the window...and could be why Microsoft has called the OS windows...perhaps another revealed truth to toss your money at, and out of...in mindful thought....As it continues to change, and be updated...it is causing issues in the industry of making, and apple is no better off as it too has changed the OS....and reliability is part of Professional ethic...I believe...But I leave my interpretations of words, and promises, and claims, told me of this wonder of wonderment "computer" with this or that with a pepper and salt based seasoning of liberal reasoning and perspective of the pudding made and tested out as or as not....and now one can say      ..if the new is new revised...to be an expert in or of is moot... until they are, and that takes time and has to be used to the full extent of it's functions to derive a expert opinion...And when they are, they are made not to be, when that change occurs again...SO Experts/teacher have to learn or relearn, which makes them students in a industry of change always...and no one can learn the complete methods of change, as it is always being rewritten, and say they are an expert or professional in that, in changing methods or function with unknowns coming as new.....As they will have to relearn the change to become profession in that change, and so no standard can stand as such until it is perfected truth or standard which should remain as such...Which will change also, if industry is ruled by economic gains...cause new has to come to fuel it...Capitalism ...And so a student is the best label for any true meaning of Standards that keep changing....and You know my crack based thought is proving itself right now....if you go look on any forum for DAWs...and computers...and even lawyers...and teachers....what has been learnt, or taught in certain field of some experts, has to be rewritten to reflect what is being revealed constantly...
And so change to a truth once known, may not be truth for long, where they thought truth was with a state of method or law or function...if it changes, and it has...now has to become relearnt...cause something changed it from one state to another....and those teachers still teaching the old...are in error of the new found truth, which was always truth...it just got lost, revealed, rewritten in so others can learn it some what righted...and was found again to change...causing no written word of teaching to be true anymore...as change makes no truth until it stands as such...and if it continues to change,....and it is...then no expert can comment on it as a expert....cause they are not...if it is new...and there are bugs!.
 
So in all circles there is a margin of error, which could be defined as such..or called the lie...because no one knows the truth...or it is hidden, or is ignored, or left to cause chaos, so more money is made by the cash cow....Well there is certainly something funny about computers being noted by many as being problematic when doing work on them...and it is dependant on many Laws or states of principles, put into the electronic, and dependant on electrical and some refined sciences...some good logics, some bad logic and some exceptions to cover or mend them together....I believe the bad is..in industry cutting corners to maximize profit gains...and putting in cheapo parts in some regards..to cause issues in the machine.....it is part of the greed method, it is used by many so called professionals of certain ilk...it is a practice, and it continues to go on...although there are authorities in practice also who police Quality control..to some degree.....one has to make a case, and prove it was intentional...and in some regards, as long as they fix the issues...they are left alone to do what is being done.. releasing Bugs, and trying to fix most or the most important ones, and then releasing a update or patch...and then a new new version is later compiled...with more bugs...as noted by me, and others....it seems a constant...not sure why?...well think like me, and you have the answer..
 
Questions or posts like this, can be seen as market strategizing or gauging popular directions or trends...replying to that with one or the other, helps the other bake better bread....or what ever...
 
So, if as I said X3d is new, PT 11.1 or .2...is also...there are no experts of those two states...and Alex has written up a list of bugs for X3d which are reproducible.....So..I am sure PT campers are experiencing the same...as I read those threads and posts myself, to gain a feel of what is happening in the industry...I see issues ...and I peek in on Steinberg's campers as well ...cause I have a very long standing account with them, cause I bought into that too...
 
Now industry...if I am correct in this ...has a Driver being used called ASIO 2...that invention belongs to Steinberg.
It is widely used, it works, it is in many camps,...thus the industry is not exclusive to Avid completely..and so..it should be a shared place...a unionizing force...a place where all are welcome...equals more clients.. which in turn makes more money for all...and all have bliss..or some states until change changes that...in hopes by some, so more update can fuel more sales, and others wanting a standard to become one!.
 
Crack?...Yah I see a big one...and I will not kiss it better until I see change of the practice of it being exploited and left to be in chaos as it seems to be n flux...But I will point it out when I see it...again perspective....if I am looking out of the crack, then I have to also say there is one..cause I found it and fell into it most willfully...and now I know how to get out of it...see experience helps.
 
So why ask which is better? or which one is on top?, or the industry standard?...who is polling for the answers?...are we all sheep?....Bahhh...oh I see chickens who will not say what is true..so should we all follow along and say one or the other,...and be wrong?...or should we keep the door swinging in many directions so some boats make it to the other shore successfully?.. for more to make money in?...or walk away and wait for the dust to settle?...what ever floats your boat...to the other shore ...is what makes it a good boat.,,,of course that boat has to be care for to be consistent in doing so...and methods need to be followed on how to.
 
Now count the chickens, and do not throw them or boot them around...they all will feed on the right seed of truth eventually....When that comes to be, a expert opinion can be uttered!...and from what I see, that could take some time to become one, with all this updating and fixing continually going on.....I think what is right in front of our faces, is proof enough of the cracks in the machine showing everyone or anyone who can see it as so.....being its bad heal...
 
 
Now smart remarks aside, and taken with glee and a sip.....when I put my cup down...and wipe my lips...perhaps my mind on this may change as well...cause humans do do that a lot....wink...they also steal, lie, and cheat...noted also.
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Re: Sonar v/ Protools 2014/02/04 16:40:23 (permalink)
This is art.

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Re: Sonar v/ Protools 2014/02/04 22:32:02 (permalink)
Well, it sure ain't science.

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Re: Sonar v/ Protools 2014/02/04 23:00:52 (permalink)
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This is art.


And it is smack in the eye of the beholder. 

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Re: Sonar v/ Protools 2014/02/05 13:17:20 (permalink)
It is science...method is science...There are many methods to confusion and chaos Confucius says:...one is to make a platform that is not standardizable or always stable in it's conceptual ideal, but can be changed up when need or market allows or demands that change...which can spur more industry...by changed minds that use it as a platform to do work on, or use as a tool.
 
This is the method now in play...it is scientifically based ill logics with logical means, and bent science for the home and small business enterprise, and when applied creates Employment...Some of that employment could be redundant if the Standard was standardized (MEANING KEPT AS SAME MEASURE OF WORKING STATE FOR X Y Z)...But it is not..it is constantly changing, and that is dependant on what tool you want to make out of it....from device, to drivers, to OS, to externals...it is evolving...it is never reaching Perfection, and un perfect Standards will produce varying results of Product, cause it is evolving OR CHANGING faster than can be learnt, in some regards, OR EVEN FIELD TESTS...So how can this platform be a standard, "IF"...when it does change, it creates issues which sometimes causes it to not work according to spec of proper function =BSOD...or Freezing, or lock ups, corruption, failures, and Bugs...with programs developed for that platform?....I would say it is futile to believe in any claims made upon it 100%...Cause eventually what was uttered in all truth about it working once upon a time, may no longer be as was uttered down the road...eventually the platform and products or tools put into that platform seems to not work right...when those changes occur....spurring the tech department into employment.= more profit gains, and taxes made in sales...
 
Science is behind part or all of that...which science?...well it is the science of Greed= capitalist.
Method=
Put in a detrimental that removes standards/changes definitions/causes confusion/waste money and time fixing (some times not at present, but eventually one has to upgrade, and solve for issues)...and then sell the cure, or proclaimed one, or the new version, or the better one, and then revise it as need arises....move the shell around change a few whistles and bells and sell that as the cure...and resell as many as possible...move the shell, do the deed again, sell some more...and keep on doing this ...eventually you will be rich in no time.
 Or build a employment over or under that...Expert, Professional, ..and sell that for as long as one can....Lawyer..sure...why not?...and there you have the spin off employment of lies...cause we can see it changing from 1984 till now as history proves...it is being made better in terms of hardware and capacity..and function...but it is never arriving 100%...because 30% of its body is made for change to occur with it....it is built in, fixable, updateable..and it can do things quickly....when it is working...
 
Third party products...Yep..surely another spin off...Now a market is made on this...money flows to the cash cow!
 
Tax it...why yes of course,...and what is done with all of this loot?.... J. Beeber?
 
No way?...well let's smack the other eye open then....kniw....LOL
 
So what ever floats the boat to the other shore...and all other things in the behind the Black vale of hidden truths...and lies...and the e patchwork orange light brigade working undercover...Meaning use em all if they have merit in helping....and I believe some of those programmers have heart...and that is why some succeed using many tools to get the job Done....and that is also a Science or Method ..Avid doesn't want to happen it seems...And do I want to play ball with a team that wants to exclusively claim the industry as their own playground?....No way!...it cuts market shares!.
 
So sharing the Industry is way better a method for all parties...spread your money and feed some of the other animals..Please...still based on the Method of chaos..but it is producing product that can be taxed when sold..which fuels the other beasties....like:  war, hunger, oppression, police, law, bent justice, crack heads, mead drinkers, pot smokers, interesting mayors and politicians and pro council chair members going on vacations, and entertainment junkies, and others....Yep...So have fun with any or, cause it is your hand and dollars that makes the industry ..WORK!...Sip...
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Re: Sonar v/ Protools 2014/02/05 13:19:57 (permalink)


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Re: Sonar v/ Protools 2014/02/05 13:37:57 (permalink)
Yes but when you take the other direction...it goes somewhere kind of more exposing the other directions of Evil intent...or uncovers...PT vs Sonar...is a misdirection to begin with of the forum ...and should not be put here in the Sonar x forum....cause sonar x is for sonar x...although I see it being allowed...it is not the right place...
 
So the post is misdirected....Alex, should this sort of thing not be in the coffee shop?
 
So does it matter where the thread goes?....cause it is not pertaining to Sonar, or PT...in a need of help...choice is with the one who wants to know which is better?.....
 
That choice is up to him or her....I don't think anyone should make that choice...because of what I already addressed.
 
All I can say is they PT & Sonar, both have their merits, and bugs...which I did do...and where the money goes in part...and what the platform to run them on is...in my own words of experience...and you can use a dictionary on them...because I use that same book to understand what I am writing in simple words, with words simply put out...
Which make my posts long winded at times...
 
Perhaps enough wind out of my mouth....and it will go away?....or change to something better?...or help them buy both and find out....that is a win win for them.?...and I told no lies by directing them to one or the other (because of the flux now taking place), that may fail their expectations, of employment in industry, or professional ethic in Business, or home use....I just opened up a truth about the whole ball of wax....and hope in truth that they are satisfied with my Perspective point of view...and hopefully they see more into Capitalistic method more, and who really fuels the industry as a Standard are People..Some good, some bad...and some of the lies told that have misdirected people...and because they are misdirected, they come and ask Questions, which means Chaos is working its magic...which could helps some religious folk stay away from supporting lies....or vise versa..
 
I made no misdirect in that...As to pick one over the other and say untruths would be a lie.
 
 
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Re: Sonar v/ Protools 2014/02/05 13:41:35 (permalink)
Les - providing perfect examples of why the acronym: TL;DR exists.
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Re: Sonar v/ Protools 2014/02/05 14:10:34 (permalink)
I do not know those things BCnSTL....and I will not ask here what that word means...I will look it up.

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Re: Sonar v/ Protools 2014/02/06 08:38:18 (permalink)
But Sir Les, where does Reaper fit into all of this?

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Re: Sonar v/ Protools 2014/02/06 08:59:51 (permalink)
Hello,
 
I have actally enjoyed Sir Les's dissertation on the muti spetral nature of stability and its cognitive influence on states of Chaos.
 
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Re: Sonar v/ Protools 2014/02/06 09:03:47 (permalink)
I need to listen to some more Gong

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Re: Sonar v/ Protools 2014/02/06 09:43:42 (permalink)
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I think we should all post a long cogitation on the definition of "vs". That'd really shine some light on it.



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