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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/24 10:26:01
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Chipping away at this as I get chunks of time.
I'd be interested on how everyone is approaching this. Personally, I'm tackling each part in turn - focusing on articulations (key switching) and note length editing first. I started with percussion, then brass, and now am on the woodwinds.
Next up will be volume / velocity editing passes. Finally, any "magic" mixing...
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/24 11:54:22
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...wicked: I cross-posted this to the Reaper forum. Glyn Barnes: I have just posted a link to this thread on a post in the Sound on Sound Forums. jsaras: I just cross-posted this at vi-control.net And we're getting a mention on chckn8r's podcast. We've gone viral!
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/24 12:45:06
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You guys are great for cross-posting this at other Forums - Thanks!
And I'm seeing evidence of musicians at those sites getting involved. The "Trek" materials are located in my Box account. They send auto-email when someone either plays an MP3 or downloads something. The last couple days, it's the MIDI file which is being downloaded more than the .cwp file. I think those downloads are by non-Sonar users. Great!
Dave "Chckn8r1" said "...I'd be interested on how everyone is approaching this..."
I didn't do so much note length editing, but focused on editing some velocity values, and recording new CC11 instrument volume data. I did get to a point of realizing I was starting to do more editing than was really necessary, so stopped myself from turning a 1 minute piece into a week long project!
"...And we're getting a mention on chckn8r's podcast..."
Let's be sure to pass on more news about that, Bitflipper - when the podcast is, some details about the conversation we recently had with Dave---FUN stuff.
Next - we conquer the world, and re-name it "Sonarland."--!
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/24 12:52:16
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I will have mine done this weekend also. Thanks Randy for reminding me that I don't need to have it perfect. That is always my tendencies, to try and do the very best I can. The problem seems to be that I always think I can do better! So I keep trying. It never ends!!! edit:spelling
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/24 13:03:53
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Grem
I will hgave mine done this weekend also.
Thanks Randy for reminding me that I don't need to have it perfect. That is always my tendencies, to try and do the very best I can. The problem seems to be that I always think I can do better! So I keep trying. It never ends!!!
Hi, Grem - You've described the perfectionist part of every musician's personality. It's a simultaneous blessing and curse. Blessing, because it feels good to take pride in one's work and to always strive for doing our best, but a curse because we can get stuck in a place where whatever we do is never "good enough" for us. Here's a bit of philosophy that I find helpful - Nothing is ever finished. Everything can always be improved. We have to let projects come to a hault at some point, with the realization that they're not actually finished, and never will be. Randy B.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/24 13:14:05
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rbowser
Here's a bit of philosophy that I find helpful - Nothing is ever finished. Everything can always be improved. We have to let projects come to a halt at some point, with the realization that they're not actually finished, and never will be.
Randy B.
I don't have a definite process that I go through to say I'm finished, but it comes. But even then, every time I listen to or hear it, I'm always thinking I should have done this, or maybe a little more eq there, that's not coming through like I want.........it never ends!!!
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/24 13:22:15
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Grem
...every time I listen to or hear it, I'm always thinking I should have done this, or maybe a little more eq there, that's not coming through like I want.........it never ends!!!
Precisely. I think we can all relate. Letting go isn't easy, but it gets easier with practice. Looking forward to hearing your contribution, Grem, and Dave - and everyone out there working away at this. Randy B.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/24 14:50:05
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I know but of one cure to perfectionism - a deadline and a paycheck... ;)
Or then work on it until you grow totally bored and sick and tired of it. But there's always something to fix...
Agreed w/ Randy that you eventually sort of learn to let go. Leaving the material alone for a while also often helps regaining perspective.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/24 15:24:13
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I just haven't got the time for perfection.....I've done little in the way of editing other than cutting up the midi tracks so that they might play different samples depending on the nature of the note......
My mix sounds muddy and possibly worse than the TTS-1 version - I have had to do ALL of this on cans because my young sons sleep in the room next dorr.....
I'm not ashamed but all you lot will blow me away.
Getting nowhere fast with it now so gonna wrap it up and send it in shortly.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/24 15:58:52
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I've also got a horrible whistle on my violin track which just won't go away!!1 LOL
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/24 16:21:56
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I've also got a horrible whistle on my violin track which just won't go away!!1 LOL Yeh, well I've got a frog in my throat and the only song it knows is "It Ain't Easy Being Green". Which library/synth are you using, Twig?
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/24 16:45:57
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I have a slight problem exporting the mp3. I downloaded the lame encoder per instructions earlier in the thread and installed ok (I think).
When I went to export I got a message from Sonar that it could only export at various sampling rates (I have it at 44100) and at 8 or 16 bit depth.
My bit depth shows at 24, slightly grayed out and I can't change it in the general tab.
I use a Focusrite Saffire.
Would appreciate some help. I'm looking through the help file right now but can't see how to change bit depth except on the above screen.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/24 16:54:51
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"...could only export at various sampling rates (I have it at 44100) and at 8 or 16 bit depth..."
44100 and 16 bit depth is what MP3s have to be, so those are the right settings.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/24 16:59:09
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Thanks Randy, I came back to edit my post.
I found by selecting all, then going to export, I no longer get that message (I can change bit depth at the export screen).
Then when I click ok, I get the message that I have to go to Cakewalk to unlock the encoder.
I've done something wrong I'm sure...:)
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/24 18:58:19
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DaveElson
Thanks Randy, I came back to edit my post.
I found by selecting all, then going to export, I no longer get that message (I can change bit depth at the export screen).
Then when I click ok, I get the message that I have to go to Cakewalk to unlock the encoder.
I've done something wrong I'm sure...:)
Oh, you're using the MP3 encoder that Cakewalk licenses. If you don't want to buy it, Google up a free one. Randy B.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/24 19:57:53
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Randy
Not intentionally. I downloaded the one from this thread.
I'll keep trying.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/24 20:14:09
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Randy
Not intentionally. I downloaded the one from this thread.
I'll keep trying.
I see - The Lame Encoder is free, but since the Cakewalk encoder is also Lame - it seems to then force a user to pay for it-? I didn't realize that before. I Googled this one up. The free version seems to do the basic job of cooking up MP3s: http://www.pianosoft-euro..om/free-mp3-convert.htm Randy B.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/24 20:45:14
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I've also got a horrible whistle on my violin track which just won't go away!!1 LOL
Which library/synth are you using, Twig?
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/24 20:51:17
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Twigman - "...VNSs trem..." It may just be that this sound isn't working for you. The use of tremolo strings in the opening measures of this file is questionable - You should feel free to make those straight strings, no trem. See if that sounds better.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/24 22:17:37
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DaveElson
Thanks Randy, I came back to edit my post.
I found by selecting all, then going to export, I no longer get that message (I can change bit depth at the export screen).
Then when I click ok, I get the message that I have to go to Cakewalk to unlock the encoder.
I've done something wrong I'm sure...:)
You're still choosing the Cakewalk MP3 encoder when selecting "MP3" as the file type in the Export Window, which is why it's giving you the unlock message. Whatever preset name you chose during the LAME setup I provided earlier, look it up in the list of "Files of Type" in the Export Audio window. I named mine "LAME 192kbps" and "LAME 320kbps" based on the quality I want. That should do the trick :-) HTH
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/24 22:29:36
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Thanks Jose7822 When I installed it, I just chose MP3 as it's name so perhaps that's the reason. I'll go back and name it something else and try. You guys are so helpful, it is appreciated. Edit: Yes, I went to the MP3 option in the drop down menu, and on renaming the Lame I saw it and it exported okay.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/25 01:18:26
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Thanks, Glyn - That was a good move, to have the post on their PC Music section instead of "marketing your music." Appreciate the help.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/25 10:00:52
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well.. after days of trying to figure out why I was not getting sound on certain channels, by pure accident I found out why. There is not only a global volume dial in my sound library software, but there is a part volume dial too, and I noticed on about 5 of them, the part volume dial was at zero... funny thing, it jumps back down to zero everytime I start it. But I can work with that. Now on to the mix. New problem, who can help. the reason on some of the midi tracks my software goes to zero volume I believe is something coded in the midi file. I noticed this when I was doing a bounce down to audio tracks. Problem is, even if I set the volume on the particular instrument, when the bouncing starts, it goes to zero.. how does one get rid of that?
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/25 11:15:39
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the reason on some of the midi tracks my software goes to zero volume I believe is something coded in the midi file. I noticed this when I was doing a bounce down to audio tracks. Problem is, even if I set the volume on the particular instrument, when the bouncing starts, it goes to zero.. how does one get rid of that? First of all, make sure the Vol slider is up on the MIDI track. Dumb as that sounds, it has bitten me more than once. The next-easiest thing to try is inserting a volume envelope on the track. Whether or not that works well depends on the synth. Some of mine respond precisely as expected, others ignore volume envelopes because they don't use the standard CC code. If this does work for you, then you not only have your initial volume problem taken care of, but you also have an envelope that you can use for things like swells, which add a great deal of interest to orchestrations. If I don't need a volume envelope I'll just insert a single event via the Event View to establish the initial volume level. Open the Event List (ALT-4), scroll to the top and select the first event, then press the Ins key. This will insert an event that is a clone of whatever that first event was. Double click on the cell labeled "Kind" and choose "Controller". Double-click on the "Data" cell and enter "7". Then write the initial volume level (0-127) in the second data cell to the right of the one you put "7" into. Now, when you hit Play the synth should jump to whatever volume you wrote into that second data column - find the best value by experimentation. You may also want to change the time of the event to 1:1:000 to make sure it's always the very first thing that happens when the MIDI track is played back.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/25 11:17:29
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Guitarman1
well.. after days of trying to figure out why I was not getting sound on certain channels, by pure accident I found out why. There is not only a global volume dial in my sound library software, but there is a part volume dial too, and I noticed on about 5 of them, the part volume dial was at zero... funny thing, it jumps back down to zero everytime I start it. But I can work with that. Now on to the mix.
New problem, who can help. the reason on some of the midi tracks my software goes to zero volume I believe is something coded in the midi file. I noticed this when I was doing a bounce down to audio tracks. Problem is, even if I set the volume on the particular instrument, when the bouncing starts, it goes to zero.. how does one get rid of that?
It sounds like Sonar's controls are over-riding those in your soft synth. That's sometimes the case. In the track header of each MIDI track, hover over the volume fader and right click. You'll see "disable" at the bottom of the menu. Check that in every track. Now the controls between Sonar's MIDI faders and those in your soft synth aren't connected. Set the volumes the way you want in your soft synth. But don't touch the MIDI faders in Sonar again --that automatically assigns control back over to them. Randy B.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/25 11:21:24
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Everyone's trying to rescue Guitarman! - Now you have two things to try.
I have some soft synths which react just as I described in my post, that's why I'm pretty sure it's a matter of Sonar's MIDI faders taking over the synth's mixer. Very easy to try that fix, then try Bit's if that wasn't it.
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