Twigman


just sent mine in

hmmmm- You really sent it in?  As I write this reply, your post went up 35 minutes ago, but I still don't have an email from you.

Randy B.

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I use Miroslav Philharmonic. Stuck various instruments in quickly and sounds a lot better than your MIDI. But you have controller 11's throughout. Miroslav doesn't respond to controller 11.

Good place for me to ask how to change controller 11's to controller 7's. I try to use interpolate but doesn't seem to work.

Also pulled the horn solo out and gave it a diff horn sound. Is that legal? Or do you have to leave it as is?

John

Twigman


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Still no mail Twigman, and not in my Spam folder.  Please PM and I'll give you an alternate email address to send to.

Randy B.

John6528


I use Miroslav Philharmonic. Stuck various instruments in quickly and sounds a lot better than your MIDI. But you have controller 11's throughout. Miroslav doesn't respond to controller 11.

Good place for me to ask how to change controller 11's to controller 7's. I try to use interpolate but doesn't seem to work.

Also pulled the horn solo out and gave it a diff horn sound. Is that legal? Or do you have to leave it as is?

John

Hi, John - Certainly, Miroslav and any good orchestral library is going to sound better than a GM module like TTS-1.  That's one of the points of this event.

Most MIDI instruments respond to CC11 which is "Expression."  If you're positive Miroslav doesn't respond to it (look it up in the manual) - then here's how to change controllers in the PRV.

--With the PRV menu, add a new pane for CC7.
--Select the controller pane with CC11.
--With the Select Tool activated, sweep your cursor through the pane to select all data.  Make sure you don't accidentally spill over into an adjacent track.
--In the header box of the pane/track, right click and perform the first choice, confusingly called "Copy Selected Events To This Lane."
--Move to the newly inserted CC7 pane, right click in its header and click the second choice, "Move Selected Events To This Lane."
--Once you've confirmed that the CC11 data is now in the CC7 pane, you can sweep through the CC11 pane with your eraser to get rid of all that data.

Note that CC7, though often used for controlling instrument volume, is actually intended for only controlling the relative volume levels of tracks.  It doesn't provide the same Expressive control often available with CC11.

It's fine to substitute instruments if the choice is logical.  You may not have a Bass Trombone available for instance, so you could use a Tuba.  You said you chose a different horn - It's probably still a French Horn, and you do want to keep the instrument as a French Horn - of whatever sort you have available and want to use in that track.

Randy B.

I use Miroslav Philharmonic. Stuck various instruments in quickly and sounds a lot better than your MIDI. But you have controller 11's throughout. Miroslav doesn't respond to controller 11. Good place for me to ask how to change controller 11's to controller 7's. I try to use interpolate but doesn't seem to work.

I did a Miroslav, too, although I am not very familiar with it. It'll be interesting to see how much better yours is than mine! Because if it is a lot better, I will be encouraged by that and continue to explore Miroslav in more depth.

Anyhow, it appears you've already figured out that the controller 11 events are Expression. To tell you the truth, I do not know what the difference is between Expression and Volume. To me an expression pedal is a volume pedal, but I may be wrong about that. But I can tell you how to change them all using the Interpolate feature.

First, make sure you have only one MIDI track selected.

When you bring up the Interpolate dialog, deselect all but "Control". In the first two textboxes next to the "Control" checkbox, type "11" into both Min and Max. Leave everything else as-is. Now click OK.

On the second screen, go to the corresponding textboxes to the right of the "Control" checkbox (now disabled) and type "7" into both Min and Max. Click OK, and all your CC11s are now CC7s.

Also pulled the horn solo out and gave it a diff horn sound. Is that legal? Or do you have to leave it as is?

I think that's entirely in the spirit of this exercise. Most of us have had to separate the percussion instruments to accommodate various samplers. Separating individual instruments to apply different sounds is conceptually no different than inserting a patch change.

Make sure you note these things when you email your submission to Randy, because other Miroslav users (like me) will find them interesting.

Method works except it won't scroll left-right even with keyboard keys. I can do it a chunk at a time but a pita.
Miroslav has about 18 different solo horn renditions but some are flutter tongue, mute etc. Others for sforzando and so on. It can gets tedious.

John

Miroslav doesn't support keyswitches, so toggling between articulations is a chore. You have to split the track out into separate sections for each articulation and assign them to separate MIDI channels.

The only alternative I know of (with the caveat that I am new to Miroslav) is to assign different velocity or note ranges to each variation. That works in some cases, and can be creatively interesting (e.g. having a tympani hit accompany strings when you hit the notes hard) but not very useful generally.

What won't scroll is the method suggested for changing control 11 to control 7, sorry.

Cloning and editing is exactly what you do with Miroslav. Or I lay in the tracks piecemeal. All the legatos, then the staccatos, then the mutes, etc. etc. So then you have maybe 4 midi tracks for violin 1 and most other instruments. Means you end up with a zillion tracks and 3 or 4 copies of Miroslav running at the same time.

To do a great rendition of the community orchestra thing I would have maybe 50 midi tracks.  Not going to do that though.
JOhn

Product limitations such as these are exactly the kind of information we want to gather for the benefit of those seeking solutions for orchestrations. I used to think Kontakt was a pain, especially with its long load times and clumsy UI, but now I know that compared to Miroslav it's actually much faster to work with.

I'm still waiting for the product that features a "make it sound exactly like..." button. I'm checking the catalogs...

Randy B.,

Thank you for the Welcome Read Me doc you posted; that was very helpful.  In the spirit of participating, I have forwarded a submission, and learned quite a bit in the process of preparing it.  This has been very educational.

Many thanks,
Thomas

Got your submission, Thomas - Thanks--AND, I want credit to be given where it's due.  The good new Word Doc with all the guidelines was mostly written by our leader in this venture - The Bitflipper himself.  He not only flips bits, but flips words pretty darned well too. 

Do you flip a mean burger too, Bitflipper?

Randy B.

Guitarman1


Hey Randy,
Just sent my hurried up edition of it. Finally got thru all of the problems I was having...

Superb, Guitarman - Got the email, so I'll put your MP3 and notes in the folder with the others.  I think it's great that you dove into this.  Not everyone is willing to go through a new learning experience in such a crash dive way like this.  Thumbs up to you.

Randy B.

bitflipper

Do you flip a mean burger too, Bitflipper?

Not according to my wife, who complains that I make charcoal out of them. Louisiana Hot Links are my favorite BBQ, though.


So I started a StarTrek rendition using Dim Pro today. Great learning opportunity, as I've never really done much with DP. It's got the best gong sample of any in my collection. But that's about all I've used it for.

I knew that Dim Pro is not multi-timbral and that I'd need at least 16 instances. But what a chore it is inserting 16 instances! Made me wish there was a "Repetitions" option in the dialog. I was doing this on my laptop, using that funky touchpad, because I wasn't at home. By the time I'd inserted 16 synths, loaded 16 patches, er, programs, routed 16 tracks to them and created 16 audio tracks to receive them, my fingers ached from that touchpad.

Not complaining about DP, though. The sound quality is decent without too much fiddling. It works well and is not a CPU hog. Of course, the percussion track did need some tweaks, but DP isn't the only synth that has needed some MIDI editing to get the percussion to play properly.

That track has given a lot of folks trouble. I'll be interested to know if anyone's sampler was able to do a steller job on strings, brass AND percussion. So far all of mine have done just one of the three particularly well, leading me to wonder if the use of multiple libraries is simply the way it's done in the real world. One of many questions I'm hoping this project will answer.

No good at burgers--well we can't be accomplished at Everything we do.  I'll take some Louisiana Hot Links though please!--and enough for my wife too please?

HATS OFF TO you - Fairly monumental, adapting this Trek file for Dim Pro.  I knew you were going to try it - I was waiting to hear how it went with all those instances inserted.

I bet the results will be pretty cool though - looking forward!

Randy B.

DaveElson


Just sent mine in, but forgot to add my forum name. However my email addy has it in full so should hopefully be obvious.

Keep those cards and letters coming in folks, it's getting to be quite a shindig!

Thanks much, Dave - I have your MP3 and will deposit it safely in the folder with others along with your notes.

Randy B.