I wonder whatever became of the Vintage Channel guy.

It's something that has always worried me about niche companies- frequently only a couple of people, and only one person who knows what makes the product tick. What happens to the consumer when that main guy keels over or goes loco or whatever?

There are a lot of plugin companies I can imagine going the same way.

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Melodyne editor is less than half of $600 at audio deluxe. Where do you get you bizarre ideas from rexred?

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Melodyne editor is less than half of $600 at audio deluxe. Where do you get you bizarre ideas from rexred?

Here is where I got that bizarre idea...
 
https://www.google.com/shopping/product/10684780321099078610?
 
$569 online

 
Not sure what the "studio bundle" is but... 
 
Read the details and it gives no extra info...

Not sure offhand what is included in the bundle too, but it seems odd you assumed that a bundle was the priced of one item without bothering to look up the price of the "non-bundle" version.  You specifically mentioned Editor, a single product and then used a price quote for a "bundle". It sounds like you were simply trying to exaggerate and consciously chose a higher price point to prove your point.  For the record, melodyne editor is usually about $349, but since you would be upgrading it would be more like $279.  Odds are you would find it on sale for even less.  I know they were offering Editor for $150 for SOnar users to upgrade at one point , which is a far cry from $600.

Not trying to exaggerate anything, I made a mistake sorry.
 
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Did you check out Celemony's Capstan product?
 
Price: 
US$4,458
20 megabyte app
 
Cel your house, cel your kids, cel your wife to get the mony... :)

You can undo any type of edit to any note by right clicking it and selecting reset parameter.

RexRed
Did you check out Celemony's Capstan product?
 
Price: 
US$4,458
20 megabyte app

Here's the equation...
 
Lots of money spent on R&D / extremely small user base = high cost per unit
 
For archiving companies that have priceless audio stored on tape that suffers from the problems Capstan addresses, they will be more than happy to pay that price because nothing else exists that will solve their problem. There aren't enough companies who need a product like that to amortize the R&D over a larger number of units sold.
 
Oh, and since I'm here...thanks to those who followed the links and commented favorably on my music. All done with Sonar and amp sims, of course ;-)

Anderton

RexRed
Did you check out Celemony's Capstan product?
 
Price: 
US$4,458
20 megabyte app

Here's the equation...
 
Lots of money spent on R&D / extremely small user base = high cost per unit
 
For archiving companies that have priceless audio stored on tape that suffers from the problems Capstan addresses, they will be more than happy to pay that price because nothing else exists that will solve their problem. There aren't enough companies who need a product like that to amortize the R&D over a larger number of units sold.
 
Oh, and since I'm here...thanks to those who followed the links and commented favorably on my music. All done with Sonar and amp sims, of course ;-)

I still think Capstan is overpriced for a 20mb app but I do understand and concede your main points. I definitely don't think Melodyne editor is worth $349.00. I know of app developers who offer that much programming 20mb for free in the Android app store.
 
Even at 200 dollars I do not think melodyne is worth "me" buying due to the points I have brought up here already. I think 200 is a fair price for Melodyne editor.
 
And if Melodyne editor is such an industry standard with "millions of users" why has that not brought the price down to something reasonable? (If your equation is valid).
 
Capstan = limited users, melodyne = many users (According to Alex, millions) but still the Melodyne app is ridiculously priced at $350.00. Maybe it has been pirated too much, if that is the case I would be willing to rethink the pricing but not the overall usability of Melodyne. 350 bucks times a million? 350 million should be able to provide a more stable user friendly app.
 
For 150 bucks more I can buy Cakewalk Producer with "30 years" of the world's finest programming under the hood, gigs of "industry standard" samples and loops, 27 total FX, and 12 instruments, each instrument represents the same amount (if not more) programming than went into creating Melodyne.
 
Maybe someday Melodyne will be worth what its current price is but I am not seeing its intrinsic value when V-vocal, a program that has not been developed "much" in many years still, to me, rivals Melodyne in its basic editing user experience.
 
I hope Melodyne editor is improved and can become reasonably priced 'til then for me, it is not a "buy".
 
In my filing cabinet I have my full version of Sonar X2 professional with V-vocal and my X3 upgrade files on a spare hard drive and online also. As long as X3 and Windows 7 works with existing CPU hardware I will be fine with V-vocal.. Plus I have a 200 dollar version of Windows 7 64bit Home Premium with my Sonar X3 installation files. I don't think V-vocal is going away or "dying" soon for me.
 
BTW I just updated my ATI driver with a new Catalyst release (beta) this month and V-vocal is 90% more stable for me now.
 
I will still keep trying subsequent versions of Melodyne and see if any of my gripes are fixed.
 
My major gripe right now is not being able to sculpt pitch (and formant which I use a lot) like I can in v-vocal and having to chop up notes. Having to pay a 350 dollar upgrade just for volume control is not worth it. Also no vertical grid lines is like working in the dark. V-Vocal at least has 1/4 note vertical grid lines for precise wave alignment...
 
The Melodyne "boxes" are just as clunky and cumbersome as the Melodyne interface. I like the blue background in v-vocal it is good for my tastes.
 
I do like the transient feature of Melodyne that V-vocal does not have but it is t still not a buying point for me. The harmony feature is nice too but I prefer to sing my own harmonies and even if I had that feature I would probably not use it.  
And splitting chords up with melodyne does not work very well anyway.
 
I do like the wave to midi feature but that comes with essential. I can see myself using that handy feature.
 
Having to close the Melodyne welcome box is a distraction and a hassle, in the olden days of computing that was called a "nag screen". Pay 350 bucks to get nagged each time you open a wave, not cool...
 
I will be watching Melodyne and when it does come up to my standards I will one day probably buy it.
My advice is stop adding new ridiculous features and start improve the existing features. 
 
You have added a harmony generator but no grid lines, point in fact The emperor has no clothes.
 
My friendly message to Cakewalk is please acquire V-vocal (at any cost) if Roland has no use for it anymore.
 
I don't think integrating Melodyne "too deeply" into Cakewalk is currently the best plan for offering pitch manipulation options...
 
Thanks Sander for the tip about undoing notes in Melodyne, unfortunately that also has been stripped and is only a function of the editor version.

I can't see a small company like cakewalk buying a product that was never deemed marketable enough to sale on a wide scale. If Cakewalk ditches Melodyne I think it is reasonable to assume it would be for a program that is newer or in more common use like Autotune. Especially since the demand seems to so far come from one person. I doubt groovesynth or rmix return to Sonar either in updated versions although I kind of like rmix.

One thing with Melodyne that bothered me is that successive upgrades end up costing more than buying the higher product outright (based on their web page). This was a couple months ago, so not sure if the same; but an upgrade to Studio from Editor was only like $100 off the regular Studio price. That price structure just left me scratching my head and closing the page.

Anderton
And please don't get me wrong..if you adore V-Vocal, that's fine with me. I'm just trying to correct misinformation so people can make decisions based on the reality of the program and the company that produces it, not speculation or a lack of understanding of particular aspects of the program. 

If I have misinformation in my understanding of this issue please correct me, I am here to learn and not just spout off misconceptions. Your input is much appreciated.
 
Thanks for the tip on bypassing the welcome screen, I can shut it off in essential too. Not sure why I did not notice it but again thanks.

RexRed
Price: 
US$4,458
20 megabyte app
 
Cel your house, cel your kids, cel your wife to get the mony... :)

The size of my plug-in is 70 kB at the moment.
The source code - ~14000 lines of hand written code.
You can multiply...
 
Reading this thread, I have remembered very old Russian joke. Originally mentioned nationality replaced by X. Pushkin and Dostoevskij are famous Russian writers, just in case...:
 
Yang man from X comes to literature hi school, he wants to learn there:
Teacher : "What do you know about Pushkin?"
Man: "Who is that?"
Teacher : "Hmm... Which books of Dostoevskij you know?"
Man: "Common, I am not a reader, I am  WRITER!"

 

I think the consensus of folks is that whatever tool you wish to use is fine, and it isn't a competition.
 
If you like V-Vocal, have a blast with it.
 
If you like Melodyne, have a blast with it.
 
If you use both, have a blast with both of them.
 
If you use neither, congratulations on perfect pitch, and have a blast using neither of them.
 
Bob Bone
 

Skarda
Also keep in mind that Melodyne, being a 3rd party company will likely be gone in the future. It was written and packaged for Cake and Cake sort of adopted it as it's own product. So I will be surprised to see it go away...  

V-Vocal has been forgotten for Roland for many years already. Cakewalk has absolutely no control of it, and no say in the matter. V-Vocal is the "XP" of pitch correction... it may still work, but it's already on borrowed time. 
 
I'm not taking sides on the two products (I refuse to argue over this)... I'm simply stating that if you are looking for a solid future in pitch correction - you may want to re-evaluate your thoughts