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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE with SONAR X1! 2012/01/24 12:18:11 (permalink)
In the interests of balance: I couldn't care less about gapless audio. I can understand its value if you were trying to do live performance, but outside of that, it's just a nicety really. I think this is illustrated by the argument for it's inclusion being "other DAWs do it" rather than "it's useful to me in this way". Don't get me wrong, it would be pleasant and all, but it's not actually *useful* as far as I can see.

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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE with SONAR X1! 2012/01/24 12:19:49 (permalink)
To expand on that; I find Sonar mostly performs adequately in this regard, in that you can make lots of changes on the fly. What I'd like to see an improvement in less actual drop-outs, where it actually stops when you're changing something. That would be a big improvement. The odd gap here and there, makes no odds really.

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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE with SONAR X1! 2012/01/24 12:38:58 (permalink)
Flywheel


I understand what everyone is saying it is not important.

Progress is not a problem. lets keep things the same infact why not go back to tape. I wonder if the boys at Roland would like that as an idea.

Infact why use desk tops lets go back to the IBM and BBC computers.

Hmmm no it's not important.

I need to make a request as I am having issues with sync and latency issues which I don't have with other software come to think of it. I hope X1D makes a difference.

I'm not advocating going back to the dark ages. I'm simply making the point that, if you are having creativity issues by a momentary pause in playback when inserting a synth or plug-in, you have larger problems.
 
I see weight to the argument if you're trying to use SONAR as a live tool but, that's not really what it's designed to do.
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE with SONAR X1! 2012/01/24 12:57:00 (permalink)
Its just a vibe thing  , not a matter of "having problems".

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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE with SONAR X1! 2012/01/24 13:23:54 (permalink)

I couldn't care less about gapless audio.

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I do, however, completely support the notion of improved vibe. We can always use more vibe.


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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE with SONAR X1! 2012/01/24 13:29:36 (permalink)
Its just a vibe thing , not a matter of "having problems".

Something no one seems to get is that an audio engine that doesn't pause when doing other things, doesn't pause because it is a more efficient engine, and a more efficient audio engine will not have other issues that make it so you are constantly tinkering with turning off things in Windows, stopping services, and stripping your machine to the bone to try and get it to run without introducing audio artifacts. With a brand "X" DAW I did *zero* machine tweaking to get it ready to record flawless 64 sample latency audio that produces no gaps, even when I am inserting complex virtual instruments while at the same time running a web browser, email, newsgroup reader, along with firewall and anti-virus software running in the background.


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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE with SONAR X1! 2012/01/24 13:40:02 (permalink)
No, that doesn't necessarily follow. You're saying that gaplessness would be evidence of better all rind capability; I can't see any basis for that at all. 

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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE with SONAR X1! 2012/01/24 14:20:14 (permalink)

Yeah that probably does not follow through, and on a DAW is involved as Sonar, Logic or Pro Tools, it could be the opposite-


That being said, I still think they can, think they can and yes, VIBE!!!


I have experienced the gap-less sessions with LIVE and it is REALLY REALLY sweet for writing VIBE big time.


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No, that doesn't necessarily follow. You're saying that gaplessness would be evidence of better all rind capability; I can't see any basis for that at all. 



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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE with SONAR X1! 2012/01/24 14:49:18 (permalink)
Glennbo you make a good point. Good engine, equals good vibe, bad engine baaaaad vibe

So hopefully, people will undersatnd that Gapless as Glennbo points out means something that runs smooth meaning for a better working environment.

Which we all want. don't we?
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE with SONAR X1! 2012/01/24 14:50:05 (permalink)
If Cakewalk will fix the clicks-behaviour with switching screensets

 
Not sure if you've checked already, but, do you have a floppy drive controller on your MB?  If so, going into your BIOS and disable it.  That might help with the pauses when changing screen sets.
 

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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE with SONAR X1! 2012/01/24 14:57:12 (permalink)
Regarding "vibe", I think I agree with BEATZM1D10T on that. I'm certainly quite certain that whatever strengths or weaknesses my compositional and engineering abilities may have, a gapless engine would not make for better results. I think "vibe" is kind of my job, if I'm any kind of creative person at all.

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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE with SONAR X1! 2012/01/24 15:00:35 (permalink)
John T when I am driving I expect to get a good drive from my A4 if its juttering I will take it to the garage. Is it my driving at question why I would pull into a garage to have it fixed or because its juddering?

Your call!
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE with SONAR X1! 2012/01/24 15:17:49 (permalink)
I have no idea what the relevance of that is. I don't have any problems with X1 "juttering" myself. There are some (entirely predictable) instances where there's a gap in playback. This isn't it not working properly, this is just how it currently works.

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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE with SONAR X1! 2012/01/24 15:17:58 (permalink)
I just don't like inviting these guys to my recording session.



Snap, crackle and pop always killin the vibe. 

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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE with SONAR X1! 2012/01/24 15:27:28 (permalink)
Glennbo


Its just a vibe thing , not a matter of "having problems".

Something no one seems to get is that an audio engine that doesn't pause when doing other things, doesn't pause because it is a more efficient engine, and a more efficient audio engine will not have other issues that make it so you are constantly tinkering with turning off things in Windows, stopping services, and stripping your machine to the bone to try and get it to run without introducing audio artifacts.
Sorry but this is complete and utter baloney. That's the reason "no one seems to get it". Because it's not true.

For instance, I was running a project at NAMM with 98 plugins, 35 tracks, over 1 dozen softsyths at 32k disk buffers and 1.1ms of latency. Almost no tweaking to the system whatsoever. No "artifacts.

It doesn't do anyone any good to spread gross misinformation.

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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE with SONAR X1! 2012/01/24 15:32:22 (permalink)
pathos


chuckebaby 

What I want is for people to stop telling non-truths the software. One can be mistaken but to make such an obvious statement like they found the Fountain Of Youth is a joke. 
It doesn't help misleading newbies or anyone looking to buy the software based on features either.  
It's a tweak, but it does NOT make Sonar gapless like he professes it does. 


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It doesn't do anyone any good to spread gross misinformation.
My point exactly!

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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE with SONAR X1! 2012/01/24 15:36:20 (permalink)
Have SSD's come down in price or is it only the fortunate that can attain them currently.

I think I will aim that question at hmm let me see.

98 plug ins you say

when will we see videos of namm 2012???

Pathos. Now thats funny
 
I am starting to feel a little inferior as i am still using HDD
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE with SONAR X1! 2012/01/24 15:45:35 (permalink)
I too am looking forward to the NAMM videos. We have been promised for the last 2 years and want to see Brandon's rig in action! Seth Perlstein stated last year we would have some NAMM coverage, nothing on Cakewalk been posted nor youtube.

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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE with SONAR X1! 2012/01/24 15:48:58 (permalink)
Scott Lee


I too am looking forward to the NAMM videos. We have been promised for the last 2 years and want to see Brandon's rig in action! Seth Perlstein stated last year we would have some NAMM coverage, nothing on Cakewalk been posted nor youtube.

We're compiling and checking out the footage and will have what we can posted as soon as we can.

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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE with SONAR X1! 2012/01/24 15:49:42 (permalink)
Flywheel


Have SSD's come down in price or is it only the fortunate that can attain them currently.

I think I will aim that question at hmm let me see.

98 plug ins you say

when will we see videos of namm 2012???

Pathos. Now thats funny
 
I am starting to feel a little inferior as i am still using HDD

The machine in question was not running SSD.

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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE with SONAR X1! 2012/01/24 15:53:09 (permalink)
Something no one seems to get is that an audio engine that doesn't pause when doing other things, doesn't pause because it is a more efficient engine, and a more efficient audio engine will not have other issues that make it so you are constantly tinkering with turning off things in Windows, stopping services, and stripping your machine to the bone to try and get it to run without introducing audio artifacts.

Sorry but this is complete and utter baloney.

Well, I tried the X1 demo and it wouldn't play a handful of audio tracks on my the same system with the exact same ASIO settings as the gapless DAW I now normally run. When I ran Sonar as my only DAW I always had to have my machine highly "configured" to work with it, and I couldn't look at it funny or I'd get artifacts (Snap Crackle, and Pop). My gut feeling still is that an easily disturbed audio engine is more likely to gap than one that can be pounded on.

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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE with SONAR X1! 2012/01/24 15:53:25 (permalink)
Brandon Ryan I admire you and you are atleast to my knowledge the face of Cakewalk, you do an admirable job. I am sure your peers envy you.

But come on, with all due respect, we are loyal customers and all we are asking for is an audio engine that can work on a variety of systems. I look forward to the day when I can run a rig like your's but due to the economy there is only so much I can afford.

So my mind says take it easy on Cakewalk but my pocket says I want more bang for my buck lol
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE with SONAR X1! 2012/01/24 15:56:40 (permalink)
My other computer I run X1 on is an eight year old laptop with 1gb of memory and 5400rpm hard drive, way below the minimum recommended spec. And it's not great or anything, but it does run and I can get work done on it.

What actual problems are you having?

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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE with SONAR X1! 2012/01/24 15:58:42 (permalink)
What are the specs that X1 was running on if i may be so bold?

Also do you think that systems specs should measure up before purchase (I am being serious here)

I have thought about this for a while if they were specifications on details and models I think it would make for a better experience. I am wondering whether Cakewalk have a valid opinion on it?
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE with SONAR X1! 2012/01/24 16:03:09 (permalink)
It's a 2ghz single core processor, 1gb memory, running XP 32 bit. Really long past retirement age.

I don't think I understand this question: "Also do you think that systems specs should measure up before purchase (I am being serious here)"

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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE with SONAR X1! 2012/01/24 16:10:29 (permalink)
It was for brandon. I was thinking that some systems (machines) work better than others (it would seem) I am enquiring whether the system specs should be more specific to build make, manufacturers than just the amount of mem the app takes up or ghz it can process at.

That way, the problems, if any, would be limited to manufacturer and build quality.
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE with SONAR X1! 2012/01/24 16:20:38 (permalink)
There's quite a lot of information and guidance about systems on the site, as it happens:

http://www.cakewalk.com/PCResource/default.aspx

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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE with SONAR X1! 2012/01/24 17:08:20 (permalink)
Flywheel


What are the specs that X1 was running on if i may be so bold?

Also do you think that systems specs should measure up before purchase (I am being serious here)

I have thought about this for a while if they were specifications on details and models I think it would make for a better experience. I am wondering whether Cakewalk have a valid opinion on it?

I use  +100-tracks of AUDIO + multi tracks Synth with tons of Prochannels and other 3part applications.
SONAR X1 x64 is very efficient. I would say it one of the efficient DAWs on the market. I use ownbuild Work-system Windows 7, x64bit Ultimate, INTEL CPU, 16GB RAM, INTEL SSD + 5 other disks in RAID 1 configuration.
 
 
"Flywheel" what computer are you using? Perhaps it time to come over from the "darkside" (XP32) and update your computer to a new modern Windows 7, x64 INTEL i7 and 16-24GB RAM. Use a INTEL SSD for Windows 7 + Program.
 
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE with SONAR X1! 2012/01/24 17:39:59 (permalink)
Oh come now, not another go 64 bit and everything will be perfect thread. That was snuffed out countless times, lets not start that up please.

64-bit shares the same gapless problems as the 32-bit family.  


post edited by Scott Lee - 2012/01/24 18:04:40

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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE with SONAR X1! 2012/01/24 18:48:23 (permalink)
John T


It's a 2ghz single core processor, 1gb memory, running XP 32 bit. Really long past retirement age.

I don't think I understand this question: "Also do you think that systems specs should measure up before purchase (I am being serious here)"

The Dell Inspiron 1520 laptop I am on right now has X1 on it as well..dual core 1.5 GHz with 1Gb of ram..seems to work here as well....

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