Freddie H
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Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE with SONAR X1!
Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE with SONAR X1! I just stumbled upon this solution. This work for me at least. You can try it out yourself.  SONAR X1 Expanded version C + Quickfixes! 1. Got to "PREFERENCES" 2. Go to "Driver Settings" 3. For "Playback Timing Master". Make sure you use a ASIO output that are not in use, any tracks are routed to in the project. (Example ASIO Out 15-16) 4. For "Recorded Timing Master". Same there use the same there, make sure you use a ASIO Input that are not in use, any tracks are routed to in the project. (Example ASIO Input15-16) 5. Got to "Playback and Recording" in "PREFERENCES". 6. Highlight "Aways open all devices". No you can change "output destination" of Tracks or Busses during Playback without dropouts. 7. Don't forget to always have Metronome Activated---> ON---> sended to a "Metronome -BusTrack". If you don't want to hear the "CLICK" just " Mute" the "Metronome -BusTrack". That can improve timing as well!  Works for me. No more Glitch of Audio during LOOPING etc.. I hope it helps! 
post edited by Freddie H - 2012/01/20 07:15:10
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE in SONAR X1!
2012/01/20 06:50:16
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If I recall that has been stated before it works but it is not fully GAPLESS but works towards being that way. Hopefully, the work around for the metronome won't be needed in less than 30days time. Thanks for putting this up nonetheless!
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Freddie H
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE in SONAR X1!
2012/01/20 06:51:51
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If I recall that has been stated before it works but it is not fully GAPLESS but works towards being that way. Hopefully, the work around for the metronome won't be needed in less than 30days time. Thanks for putting this up nonetheless!
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE in SONAR X1!
2012/01/20 08:28:02
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Freddie H
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE in SONAR X1!
2012/01/20 08:49:26
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MGB5
What is Gapless?
Gapless?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gapless_playback Gapless playback is the uninterrupted playback of consecutive audio tracks without intervening silence or clicks/pops during LOOPING in SONAR X1 or changing Track or changing Output destination on Tracks or Busses, during playback.
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE in SONAR X1!
2012/01/22 07:33:38
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE in SONAR X1!
2012/01/22 07:45:21
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No, gapless is not those very simplified operations that Freddie is suggesting, (eg as mentioned by him in another thread changing track destinations while audio is playing back etc) it is many other things too. Try inserting a synth while audio playback is in progress and browsing its sounds. Then you will see whether a DAW is gapless or not. Sonar is NOT gapless and is certainly not at this time. Check with others here who really know what gapless performance is all about and they will agree with me. There are many other things that can trip up a non gapless DAW as well. But many people can work around them so for some it is not so much of a problem. For others like me however it is important. Also try switching tracks (no mouse, only up/down arrows) while in loop record mode and see how you go there as well. (external or virtual instruments) See if you can land on any track, record what you play and then move on to another track and keep all the relevant midi data. I cannot seem to get Sonar 8.5 to do this anyway. (not sure about X1) But this is only important if you are someone who inputs data this way. Many don't so it may not be an issue for them. Sonar is behind other DAW's in this gapless area and as other forum members have stated it could become a problem for them (maybe) unless they rectify it as many other competing DAW's can do it.
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE in SONAR X1!
2012/01/22 08:06:11
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Sonar does NOThave a gapless engine.
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE in SONAR X1!
2012/01/22 08:13:01
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it is behind in many areas..but it is also far ahead of other in ways to.
i mean how many things do you want it to do?
if its so behind in other daws..why choose sonar?..why not choose the daws think are ahead of sonar?
dont tell me its cause you like to complain in the forums?i know as well as the next guy sonar isnt gapeless,but what i use it for is very taxing on sonar and it keeps up nicely i think.
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE in SONAR X1!
2012/01/22 08:15:22
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Insertion of a softsynth into a track and trying to browse presets makes for a b iizzzaaaaaare ex perie nce.
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE in SONAR X1!
2012/01/22 08:34:24
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chuckebaby
it is behind in many areas..but it is also far ahead of other in ways to.
i mean how many things do you want it to do?
if its so behind in other daws..why choose sonar?..why not choose the daws think are ahead of sonar?
dont tell me its cause you like to complain in the forums?i know as well as the next guy sonar isnt gapeless,but what i use it for is very taxing on sonar and it keeps up nicely i think.
What I want is for people to stop telling non-truths the software. One can be mistaken but to make such an obvious statement like they found the Fountain Of Youth is a joke. It doesn't help misleading newbies or anyone looking to buy the software based on features either. It's a tweak, but it does NOT make Sonar gapless like he professes it does.
post edited by pathos - 2012/01/22 08:57:14
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE in SONAR X1!
2012/01/22 09:50:21
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I finally got all my 'A's' to be 440.
Really..
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2012/01/22 09:54:45
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timidi
I finally got all my 'A's' to be 440.
Really..
Watch your temper now! 
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE in SONAR X1!
2012/01/22 10:13:19
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So, SONAR may not be gapless and it does sound like something that would make working with SONAR a bit smoother, however, this isn't such a big deal in the overall scope of features a DAW brings.
Do I want gapless audio? YES!!!! Does not having gapless audio now bother me? NO!!!!!
Just one man's opinion.
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE in SONAR X1!
2012/01/22 11:13:32
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timidi
I finally got all my 'A's' to be 440.
Really..
You changed your strings?
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE in SONAR X1!
2012/01/22 12:26:55
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timidi
I finally got all my 'A's' to be 440.
Really..
You changed your strings?
You guys are in trouble over-by Europe. A=442 there...
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE in SONAR X1!
2012/01/22 13:05:18
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So, SONAR may not be gapless and it does sound like something that would make working with SONAR a bit smoother, however, this isn't such a big deal in the overall scope of features a DAW brings. Do I want gapless audio? YES!!!! Does not having gapless audio now bother me? NO!!!!! Just one man's opinion Make that two... Julien
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE in SONAR X1!
2012/01/22 13:07:11
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So, SONAR may not be gapless and it does sound like something that would make working with SONAR a bit smoother, however, this isn't such a big deal in the overall scope of features a DAW brings. Do I want gapless audio? YES!!!! Does not having gapless audio now bother me? NO!!!!! Just one man's opinion
Make that two...
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE in SONAR X1!
2012/01/22 13:08:59
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Thanks Freddie :-) just made some adjustment as suggested and it does help! Ive just noticed It does mention this in the help file actually...
Audio - Playback and Recording (Help File)
Always Open All Devices. With this option checked, SONAR opens all enabled stereo pairs of audio outputs as soon as you press play or turn on the audio engine. Any pairs that don’t have any tracks feeding them stream silence, but are still ready for use. So if you then change a track's output assignment on the fly SONAR doesn’t have to reopen a device, which can cause gaps in playback.
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE in SONAR X1!
2012/01/22 13:35:15
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I am curious, if you know... what DAW or DAWs have a true working Gapless Audio Engine? Do they also have a lot of functionality, are they 64 bit?
No trick question or agenda... I just don't know and I am just curious.
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE in SONAR X1!
2012/01/22 13:39:34
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I think most of them are, seriously. I use Logic - it's gapless and as advanced as it gets.
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE in SONAR X1!
2012/01/22 13:40:33
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They are some DAWs you can edit, change functions delete clips all whilst in free flow. Move a selected clip from one track to the next. I first experienced Gapless in Cubase many, many moons ago. I would suggest that it is a standard just like how midi has become a standard.
So my guess is not having gapless is like having shoes with no feet to put them in.
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE in SONAR X1!
2012/01/22 16:50:12
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That begs the question... if most have it, why not X1? I guess if there was an easy answer for that, there wouldn't be a question... huh?
I guess since I have never used it, I don't miss it.
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE in SONAR X1!
2012/01/22 18:28:45
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Thanks Freddie, that helped a lot!
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE in SONAR X1!
2012/01/22 21:25:13
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jbow
That begs the question... if most have it, why not X1? I guess if there was an easy answer for that, there wouldn't be a question... huh?
I guess since I have never used it, I don't miss it.
J
Hi Julian, I don't know the official answer but we've discussed it in this thread: http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2472545 My own take is that Cakewalk put the priority on heavy duty performance instead of flawless execution and elegance. ;)
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE in SONAR X1!
2012/01/23 12:17:54
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Great tweak Freddie!
Cakewalk will go gapless sooner or later. Just as long as they don't shop at "The Gap", everything will be ok.
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE in SONAR X1!
2012/01/23 14:22:47
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chuckebaby
it is behind in many areas..but it is also far ahead of other in ways to.
i mean how many things do you want it to do?
if its so behind in other daws..why choose sonar?..why not choose the daws think are ahead of sonar?
dont tell me its cause you like to complain in the forums?i know as well as the next guy sonar isnt gapeless,but what i use it for is very taxing on sonar and it keeps up nicely i think.
What I want is for people to stop telling non-truths the software. One can be mistaken but to make such an obvious statement like they found the Fountain Of Youth is a joke.
It doesn't help misleading newbies or anyone looking to buy the software based on features either.
It's a tweak, but it does NOT make Sonar gapless like he professes it does.
I completely agree - it's a tweak, not an audio engine correction/overhaul/fix. But, I wouldn't hold my breath for people telling the truth on the internet LOL.
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE in SONAR X1!
2012/01/23 14:32:24
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That would change everything, eh Billy?
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Re:Tip of the day! How you get GAPLESS-AUDIO-ENGINE in SONAR X1!
2012/01/23 14:50:44
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This gets overstated in my opinion. Yes there are some specific areas where it can be better, but it's far from the lurching, stuttering behemoth it gets characterized as.
For instance, while I was working just recently I was playing a complete project back and wanted to do some tweaking. I switched over to ProChannel, inserted the Saturation Knob, dragged it to the beginning of the signal path, swapped out a compressor, turned them on, and then tweaked my settings. No gaps, glitches etc. This was at 1.5ms of latency. I can also do this with some synths and FX.
Now yes with some synths there is maybe a 1/2 sec audio drop while a synth is instantiated - and we'll try to better with this. But does it really destroy ones creative flow? Really? A 1/2 sec pause sucks out all the creative juices?
For live performance, yes it's a far more critical issue, but for composing and recording? The level of hyperbole about "gapless" is getting a but much IMO.
Now some may likely point to my comments as evidence that Cakewalk refuses to or is unable to improve SONAR in this regard. It's not the case. My comments are an attempt to put the while gapless conversation into perspective. To me the biggest gapping problem SONAR has is when moving loop points. But even then, it's not even close to something that would actually hinder my creativity.
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