This thread caused me to search for the comment by Cakewalk's Alex Westner in a SONAR 8.5 thread, in which he stated that Cakewalk was quite aware of what needed to be done to improve the Staff View, but did not have it as a priority at that time.  It was a reassuring post for those of us who feel an improved Staff View is a high priority, and I was going to quote it (again) here.

Today, I cannot find that post!  For the first time in awhile, my confidence that this will be addressed has been shaken.

jmtitus


I guess it's a matter of preference, but I don't know why anyone would consider this an issue.  There are several inexpensive music notation programs that you can use.  The midi files I've imported into my projects have always included dynamics and other expression I created in my original score.  I've never had any issues.  If I need to tweak the midi tracks I actually think it's easier to use the PRV.  I'm using Finale Allegro right now but I've also used a relatively inexpensive shareware program called Mozart for years and it is excellent.
 
I would actually prefer that Cakewalk focus on other things and not waste their time on a notation feature.   

Of course you would like Cakewalk to focus only on things you use.  I don't use looping and audio snap but if others do that's fine.  I need to use notation to COMPOSE WITH IN SONAR.  My Sibelius 6.0 does not allow me to do that.

Actually, before Pro Audio and Sonar, Cakewalk was a notion program designed to compose by manually editing notes on the staff.  That was why I bought it many years ago and largely how I have used it to date.  Yes, they have changed direction (a few times, it seems as many of you have noted on the forum), but that doesn't excuse them for their half-*ssed execution of staff view to date. 

I've used Cakewalk since the version 2 in the DOS days and there were no staff notation view. Cakewalk had always been a "sequencer" and not a "notation software" even back then.

mudskipper

Actually, before Pro Audio and Sonar, Cakewalk was a notion program designed to compose by manually editing notes on the staff.  That was why I bought it many years ago and largely how I have used it to date.  Yes, they have changed direction (a few times, it seems as many of you have noted on the forum), but that doesn't excuse them for their half-*ssed execution of staff view to date. 

I've used Cakewalk since the version 2 in the DOS days and there were no staff notation view. Cakewalk had always been a "sequencer" and not a "notation software" even back then.

Of course there was no Staff View in the DOS days - IT WAS A CHARACTER BASED APPLICATION.
 
As soon as the first Windows version came out which had a Staff View, I jumped on it.

vintagevibe

jmtitus


I guess it's a matter of preference, but I don't know why anyone would consider this an issue.  There are several inexpensive music notation programs that you can use.  The midi files I've imported into my projects have always included dynamics and other expression I created in my original score.  I've never had any issues.  If I need to tweak the midi tracks I actually think it's easier to use the PRV.  I'm using Finale Allegro right now but I've also used a relatively inexpensive shareware program called Mozart for years and it is excellent.

I would actually prefer that Cakewalk focus on other things and not waste their time on a notation feature.   

Of course you would like Cakewalk to focus only on things you use.  I don't use looping and audio snap but if others do that's fine.  I need to use notation to COMPOSE WITH IN SONAR.  My Sibelius 6.0 does not allow me to do that.

It's useless to try to explain this to people.  (I'm tempted to pull out more of my hair).

It seems as though many Sonar users who like to use the staff to create midi events (but also need multitrack recording and editing)  have found a solution similar to mine.  It was good hear of other solutions as well.  Its just too bad there is a need to discuss other programs to supplement the DAW we all seem to love.  I'm looking forward to the day when Cakewalk/Roland regains my trust and earns the loyalty that so many of us have displayed over the decades by putting staff view users back on their "priority" list.

I would GLADLY pay however much more money for full notation editing capabilities!! Yes, I am proposing we throw money at the situation...

backwoods


The "Staff" views on all DAWs are only suitable for "semi pro" "hobbyist". If you are dead serious you will fork out for Sibeliuis or Finale. 

The "Staff" views on all DAWs are only suitable for "semi pro" "hobbyist". If you are dead serious you will fork out for Sibeliuis or Finale.

Semi-pro hobbyst???
That's not true! Are you a "pro" composer? Do you compose based on the track view? Piano roll? C'mon

I'm an "old school" professional composer, I still use staff sheet scores when orchestrating on the piano, I started with Cakewalk with its DOS version (then Cake for Windows came, WOW!) and it was a sequencer that need a large staff sheet (paper) for a composer / orchestrator like me to be useful. When STAFF VIEW came it was a great relief since I could arrange directly in the sequencer. I always used a different notation program (finale or encore) for printing out sheets, but for composing I still need written music.
Do you really think taht every composer can create a multi part arrangement out of teh piano roll view? Seriouslly?

I found this post since now I expanding an old composition (film score) to add 2 aditional minutes with added beckground parts. I need to "see" in the scort (chart) if the new lines work with the previous voicings. I need a full screen staff sheet for that. AND I CAN'T  USE SNAP SETTINGS in X1e like I used to in 6 and 8.5, it just doesn't work.

this is a real step backwards since I can do taht sequencing on finale.

Anybody know how to set SNAP settings in staff view actually?

dd

Rickbass


I would GLADLY pay however much more money for full notation editing capabilities!! Yes, I am proposing we throw money at the situation...

Oh geeesh, let's not start up on that again!! LOL!!,,,and, yes, if it did need some extra money then I would gladly pay as well... 


I just find it rather interesting that there are people here who seem to think that it would cost an arm and a leg to actually FIX what is already there.


And, yes, I know about the excuse, er, reason that it was only for exporting certain files into some other notation software... 

I wont be upgrading my x1 until the staff view is fixed/revamped..  By then other daws with better notation and 64bit will be considered.. 

I'm fed up of hoping and applying blind faith... 

Any recent word from the bakers on the subject ..... ??? Er no..

Beagle


I think it's funny when someone dredges up a thread from nearly a year ago to argue a point with someone. 

What I think is really funny is that I encountered a problem with a brand new software I purchased a month ago (X1 Expanded) and searching for post regarding this issue I found unsolved problems/threads from a year ago!
Meanwhile our cash keeps flowing.

But it happens all the time didn't it? Technology improves what we already have to sell us a better version of it,   but there's always something missing (thing digital recording "replacing" analog, CDs replacing LP, etc...)
Sonar 3 and 6 and 8.5 where better Staff based sequencers than this new (great overall) X1.

daveny5


Sonar was never intended to be a notation program. Notation is there merely to assist in editing MIDI tracks. If you want notation, Finale Print Music is an inexpensive solution. 

+1

I need the staff view.  I don't need the loop fonction for now, but it does't mean that one day, I will not.  I never try to quantize the audio but I do it all the time with MIDI.  One day I'll give it a try...
 
Recently, I bought FINALE and I'm happy with my charts now.  I live with that and I hope things will be take in consideration for every one here from Cake.
As long as we talk, there is hope!!!
My 2...heu...not on my keaboard any more...you see...they changed that too!!! 

Oh great... more staff view discussion. Maybe Cakewalk should just come out and state "we have no intention of changing the staff view beyond how it functions today + MusicXML export in expanded". Period, end of story.

Then all of those lost souls holding out hope that SV will be improved in the future can move on w/ their lives, and all of those continuously typing "if you need notation than use Finale or Sibelius" can save themselves some typing....

keith




Then all of those lost souls holding out hope that SV will be improved in the future can move on w/ their lives, and all of those continuously typing "if you need notation than use Finale or Sibelius" can save themselves some typing....

Those typing "if you need notation than use Finale or Sibelius" have absolutely no clue what notation in a DAW is for. I suspect you are equally clueless.  Why do clueless people who think buying loops makes them a composer enter in discussoins they don't understand?