mike_mccue


"Well we could go on all day moving goalposts to suit our agendas couldn't we?"

Ok.

I guess I didn't do a good enough job last time so I'll attempt to be more clear.

Here's my agenda for track view:
1) shows meters
2) shows level controls
3) shows state M, S, RD, W
4) shows a toolbar set up with the stuff I like to see instantaneously
5) nice bright colors



I have 26 tracks on my 7 year old display monitor that I bought for $189.00.

Does anyone want to find out and post how many tracks, and a toolbar, and the very same information I have listed can be displayed in SONAR X1?

My agenda is too be able to see valuable information in track view... and I want to see lots of it.

My agenda is to inspire the good people at Cakewalk to improve SONAR by laying out the track view components so I can have something as feature rich as what you see here.

I, personally, don't see how providing an example of maximum tracks showing minimum information suits any agenda, and there fore I think the claim that X1 can show nearly as many minimized tracks as any other version of SONAR can only serve as senseless noise which I believe obfuscates any discussion about possible improvements that we may hope to enjoy in future versions of SONAR.

I have a "goal" too. My "goal" is too avoid people who debate for recreation. My "goal" is to engage in multifaceted dialogs with people who want to enjoy mutually enhanced awareness.


I'm trying to think if I missed anything...

Yep. That's what it is supposed to look like. So much data. Thanks for the screenshot. 

Jonbouy

FastBikerBoy

I fully sympathise with anyone not getting on with/liking/disappointed with X1 but anyone who does like it and prefer it over previous versions (such as myself) is then called a fanbouy.

Remember, being addressed as any kind of Bouy should be considered as the very highest honour.

I do, I do.....



@Mike.........

I didn't add anything. I simply added a large amount of tracks to a project that I've literally just started on, fitted it to the screen in the three different ways that you see in the screenshots and then saved it and re-opened it in V8. Give the goalposts another shove................

I did in V8 hide as many toolbars as it would be possible in a single keystroke to fit in the control bar method, but I couldn't hide the last small tool bar easily so left that in. I thought that was the fairest way to handle the control bar issue. It can be hidden and called back very easily after all.

I think you are the one missing the point, if a user applies the 8.5 way of thinking (ie. restricts X1) then yes I couldn't agree more, X1 won't measure up in a direct comparison. Undoubtedly if this were a bike race you wouldn't want me using top gear either 'cos the modern bike has 6 and the older one 5. However if one uses their imagination for a few moments and starts to see the possibilities available in X1 it's a much different picture.

I can accept that you prefer V8.5 for your way of working, good luck to you I wish you well. Is it really so hard to accept that I and many others prefer the new way of X1. Not because we're all deluded or don't know any better as you hint at in so many of your crusade posts but genuinely prefer it.

My 'new' way of working that I have discovered since X1, is my preferred way of working now. I couldn't work that way in earlier versions simply because it wasn't possible, unless I missed something which I'm also open minded enough to accept is a possibility. In those versions I made them work for me as best I could and that's what I'm doing now. I just find X1 has fewer restrictions for me. I call it adaptation and AFAIC you call it being hoodwinked by CW.

I've already conceded your point that in V8.5 I can fit 2 more tracks on my screen in my set up using 'restricted thinking' ^(TM) anyway, so quite why I'd want to 'cheat' is beyond me.

Now I've humoured you will you return the favour?

My preferred method of working is to have a track view with minimised tracks in it, the inspector beside it for the current track details. That's on one monitor. On the other I have the corresponding CV.

I also like to be able to switch instantly to a very similar view but all busses instead of tracks.

When I want to edit a MIDI track I like to be able to switch instantly to a view where everything is laid out ready for me to edit. All I need do is click on the required MIDI track, oh I don't want to see any audio in that view by the way, or have to hide it everytime I open it.

BTW, I'm not really bothered how many tracks are viewable at any one time as long as it's a reasonable amount, I promise not to get upset if it's out by a few.

I won't go on with all my other preferences that'll do for starters...........

I can supply screenshots if there's anything you're unsure of but I'm not in my studio ATM.

Is that possible in versions pre-X1? I've been back briefly to have a look and can't seem to work out how to do that, perhaps it's all the brainwashing from CW I've endured. But then I haven't spent ages at it so it may be possible - I'm far too busy making my music racket.

I will suggest to you that folks that track 24 channels of inputs of musicians performing music together seem to understand.

Not something I do my interface only has 16 but if I did need to my method of working above covers that quite nicely thank you. Now I understand, I never realised you are regularly tracking 24 musicians at once. My monitor would need upgrading because even in 8.5 I can't get that many on screen at once.

I'm genuinely surprised that "folks that track 24 channels of inputs of musicians performing music together" don't use dual monitors as standard, but perhaps only they understand the answer to that.

I'll leave you now to your crusade to convince CW that they've made a terrible mistake with X1, just don't include me in the assumption that I really don't know any better and I'm just trooping along like some sheep behind a lot of other Sonar users that have been hoodwinked by CW and can't see the 'truth'.

Yes X1 can be improved of course it can, but as far as I'm concerned it's already a big improvement over previous versions.

All of the above IMHO of course, other users MMV...................

(Right boys, take the gun away from my head now I've done everything you asked, you said if I praised X1 you'd let me go back to V8.5, please don't make me use X1 any more.............please..................)

@FBB...You photoshopped the image!!!! There, had to get THAT out of the way, LOL!!!


OK..dumb question time...what happened to the other tracks there?

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If you guys spent as much time working instead of complaining you'd be millionaires and have someone create your own "PERFECT DAW".
Then you could sell it to us and get your $99 update money back.

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I can't keep up with you Mike, you're too smart for me. First I had the tracks minimised too much, then I was showing the icons, then the screen is the wrong resolution, now I don't know how to minimize tracks. Make your mind up please I'm running round like a loony here trying to keep up with the ever moving target.

I guess the only way you'll ever believe what I'm seeing is for you to make a personal visit, not very practical but you can always call round if you ever find yourself in not-so-sunny Norfolk, UK - you'll be very welcome.

Anyway monitor sizes, both are running at their maximum resolution.

Main monitor - that's the one that has the TV on it, both X1 and 8.5, both maxed out both full screen, neither photo-cropped in anyway, I haven't doctored anything in either or running 8.5 at a different resolution, I just fired them both up and loaded the same project, resized the tracks using exactly the same method although both loaded it the same anyway so I didn't actually have to move anything......  (have I missed anything?). Size 1680 x 1050

Secondary monitor - the one with the PRV/CV of X1 in it is at 1280 x 1024

Despite your sometimes condescending attitude towards me I'm still willing to help you get to grips properly with X1 if you ever need to, I've plenty of helpful tips I can share as well to get you going.

There's very little point in continuing this discussion because I am quite obviously running a completely different version of X1 to you (and many others apparently) and I also have no intention of going back to 8.5, it made me quite giddy looking at it now I'm used to X1.

So carry on with whatever point you are trying to prove for whatever reason you are trying to prove it, I won't hassle you any more.

Wiggles


If you guys spent as much time working instead of complaining you'd be millionaires and have someone create your own "PERFECT DAW".
Then you could sell it to us and get your $99 update money back.

Hey welcome to the forum. Obviously sensible and true posts such as yours are the exception around here.

I keep trying not to get distracted but I've an aversion to correcting BS when I see it.

However I'm very happy with my purchase so have no need to get my money back unlike some who just buy it to keep CW in business. Besides which I can't possibly create a DAW I don't even know how to minimize tracks in the ones I've got. LOL.

And you telling me that SONAR 8.5 was better LOL

Check this VIDEO...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=viHws3lo9Q8
 
 
and this...
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CwzY0fesOOQ
 
and this...
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WhsAu7A65DI
 
 

I have used "Cakewalk" since it came on "floppy disks"....
In it's infancy.....it has gone through more physical changes than Joan Rivers!  I have been a part of this forum forever....posted once or twice in years.  Just joined again since I lost my name and password.  It pains me to hear people gripe who think their "workflow" is hampered by changes.  If you stay in the business long enough you'll welcome the changes that come along...
STALE is the last thing you could ever want in the music business....
One of these days you'll see that this is just another learning curve on the path to getting better.  Complain if you must, but these changes will only make you better, stronger, and more patient!  
And long after I'm gone (when they have Sonar ZX24 Platinum Extended)
You will see how many changes you endured and how much you have learned in the process.
This will be my last post for a long while.....the studio beckons!
No place I'd rather be than making music with the ones that got me where I am now!  
By the way....
I have X1 Expanded
Pro Tools 9
and an awesome studio and beautiful grand piano.....
That still doesn't mean I am any good.  My critics and those around me keep me humble!  That's why I gave up on complaining a long time ago.
Never got me anywhere but mad.  And mad never got me in the mood to do music, total waste of good time.
Cheers

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