I don't think FBB has "undermined" what you're saying; he's demonstrated that it's total bollocks. I very much doubt that he, or anyone else, is bothered as to whether you'll concede the point. That's Mike McCue, griping on the internet is what he does.

Maybe 6 31" monitors will do it?

Now why did this thread get to 5 pages when the header said Gothic's post was still on page 4? 

Dang forum software glitch.....

keith

gothic.angel

...movie theater screens or double-screen sets are not the only possible way out there, and there are laptops too....

Mmm. I would have said: "and there are laptops especially". Or maybe that's not the target market segment? Hard to know.

...yep...  especially fits better....

I think laptops can't be overlooked... they are possibly more popular than desktops nowadays, due to their achieved powerful specifics and obvious mobility features...

If Cakewalk didn't consider that as target market segment, they would be shooting in their foot...

Truth being X1 has not been the best release in this direction, anyway.........................

mike_mccue


I have illustrated how every other version of SONAR can display many more tracks and information simultaneously than SONAR X1.

Big *Sigh* ...................

Unless I've missed a post somewhere Mike you haven't demonstrated that at all. You haven't posted a screenshot of X1 in the same set up to compare it with, whereas I have. Having said that I think perhaps your limited knowledge of X1 will prevent you from setting it up the same.
 
You may be close to getting somewhere but you're way behind me, I have already got 'there' and indeed have been 'there' for the best part of 11 months. Your arrogance for assuming that I am in some way wrong about X1 on my system and you are right, when you by your own admission haven't even been using it on your own system is frankly, unbelievable. Not however un-surprising given your post history. You may see the results you say you see, you probably are but I've yet to see the elusive X1 screenshot from you. I really don't care what you see. The only system that I care about is mine, the results of which is I can see at least the same number of tracks in X1 as I can V8.5 the evidence for which is well documented in this thread.
 
I have been using X1 since it's release, and although not my full time profession, I do produce work for others and use X1 as I have other versions over the years almost every day for anything between 2 and 12 hours averaging at least 30 hours a week, not a pro, definitely not a 'noob', and a little more than 'casual'.
 
I have no idea why the screenshot sizes are as you say. I used Windows 7 Clipping tool to take a shot of my main view full screen and then uploaded it via photobucket. If any scaling has been done at all it is without my knowledge and been done by that process. If there has been any though it will have been consistent i.e. If the V8 shot was changed so was the X1. They were taken within seconds of each other, uploaded at the same time, they are an accurate representation of what I see on screen, i.e. Exactly what I see here . I have far better and more important things to do with my time than mock up screenshots of track counts in X1 and V8. I HAVEN'T CHANGED OR FIXED ANYTHING. There's only so many ways I can keep saying that. The fact you keep repeating over and over that I have or I am 'cheating' in some way isn't going to make it so.
 
As I see it there are two possibilities here. The first is I don't know how to use V8 (or the previous versions) correctly. If that's the case it won't matter because I no longer use them, so I'm not going to be missing anything and you may stop worrying. I relieve you of your mission to save me from myself & CW.
 
The other, more likely scenario as far as I'm concerned, is you don't know how to use X1 properly. If that's the case it's your lucky day as I'm only too pleased to help you get the best out of it. It does take a slightly different mindset though, you need to open yourself up to new possibilities, then it will all make sense.
 
I am not trying to 'protect' X1 for any reason. If as you claim there was a big difference in the number of tracks that can be displayed between 8.5 & X1, I'd be echoing your comments. Simple fact of the matter is, there isn't much difference at all. If I dumb X1 down, the difference is one track on my system and the advantages of X1 far outweigh that differential. Of course if I use X1 to its full potential , I can actually see more tracks.......
 
Anyway you fill your boots with whatever you are trying to prove, in the meantime here is a video of me swapping directly from X1 to V8 with no breaks, no funny stuff, no editing, just what I see on the screen switched using the Windows 7 view switcher. You can take it apart all day, get it scientifically analyzed for all I care - there's nothing to find. It is what it is, a video taken with Camstudio of what I see on my system, saved as an AVi and uploaded to youtube.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-0cpj1aaQk

Undoubtedly the vast silent majority on this forum if they even care, will draw their own conclusion about which of us is talking complete BS. I already know which of us it is. I notice that you have yet to post a screenshot of X1 set up in the same way as V8 on your system. If I were a suspicious man, I'd think that in itself is significant. ..............
 
Mike, I'm genuinely sorry your system doesn't seem to work properly or you can't work out how to replicate your V8 set up with X1 but all you need to do is ask and I am more than happy to help you get it sorted.

get a room guys

Total weaksauce. He's told you what size the monitors are.

FastBikerBoy


Right now I'm clear but if that screenshot suits your way of working, it looks a bit of a mess to me but if that's clear to you fair enough...........

You obviously have a larger monitor than me but that's irrelevant it's all relative. In V8.5 on my monitor I can get 18 tracks displayed as you have it.




If I use X1 to its full capabilities on my system I can show 20 tracks with the same info.




If I use X1 with no mods I'm down to 18, the same as V8



and if I put the control bar in I'm down to 16. I'm quite sure you'll consider hiding the control bar or using any X1 features as 'cheating', so we'll go with the lowest count.




Quite why anyone who has a fixation with getting lots of tracks on screen would not want to use the programs capabilities to achieve that is beyond me, but you seem to have an agenda so I'll give you that one.

To conclude then, I have 18 tracks in the best mode that V8 can manage and 16 tracks in a crippled X1 view, meaning that I'd have to have around 130 - 140 tracks before I'd have to push a button in X1 once more than I would in V8.

As it is I use X1 to the best of it's capabilites and so see more tracks per view, but that's just me..............

I'm afraid I'm completely missing the point.

.....and this reminds me of how much better I like the look of X1

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Do you think, mike, that on your death bed, you'll look back on all this with satisfaction as time and energy well-spent? Like "Yeah, I was totally the boss dog of a fairly obscure Internet forum devoted to a niche pursuit. Nobody can take that away from me". 

Beagle

whooao anrarcrrwo wowhoohurrac!!!

I've just noticed there's quite a lot of wasted blank space in those 8.5 track headers compared to the X1 version? Shouldn't I tell someone about that?

X1 Kinda looks a lot like Studio One and Pro Tools doesn't it?

 
Yeah, it does a little, at least more than previous versions.  And probably more S1 than PT IMO.   But S1 does have a lot of interface devotees... though split more now in v2.   Sort of like a mini version of the SONAR X1 vs. 8.5 debate.    Huh.  
 

Yeah - but it is all the fault of the shell (I guess ;-)).