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Re:What can Cubase do that X1 can't?
2010/12/29 07:28:30
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How hard can it be to change the key command for Metronome or any functions in SONAR.
try it and see.
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Re:What can Cubase do that X1 can't?
2010/12/29 07:31:25
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Re:What can Cubase do that X1 can't?
2010/12/29 07:32:17
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Freddie H
Problems with audio engine gap (For instance changing the loop points) ? Strange that doesn't happen for me in SONAR or any other program. Sounds more like bad audio-card driver or sharing of IRQ.
What platform and audiocard are you using? SONAR X1 x64 or x32?
Multiple cards, multiple DAWs, multiple OSes... it happens in everyone and has been confirmed by friends and many others on this forum. You don't hear the gapping/glitch? Weird, it is quite obvious. UnderTow
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Re:What can Cubase do that X1 can't?
2010/12/29 07:35:27
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timidi
How hard can it be to change the key command for Metronome or any functions in SONAR.
try it and see.
Works here...
So you can start and stop the metronome during playback with a keyboard shortcut in X1? UnderTow
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Re:What can Cubase do that X1 can't?
2010/12/29 08:37:20
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Hi guys, thanks for the discussion! Obviously both are going to have advantages over the other in certain areas.
Back to my previous question - how do you guys integrate 2 different DAWs? OMF files don't carry plugin info do they? And exporting each individual track and importing it into the other host is insane. So how do you guys get the best of both worlds?
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Re:What can Cubase do that X1 can't?
2010/12/29 08:44:15
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A few things I prefer in Sonar off the top of my head:
In Cubase, the Track Inspector only shows one Tab at a time. It could be the Inserts Tab or the EQ Tab or the Level/Meter Tab etc. You can't see all the relevant information at the same time without opening one of the Mixer Views or the VST Channel wiondow. I find this very badly thought out. In Sonar you don't actually ever really need the Console view. Everything is accessible from the Track View.
In Cubase, if you Solo a Track Folder, EVERYTHING in that Folder gets UnMuted and Soloed. In Sonar everything gets Soloed but the Muted tracks remain muted. This means that in Sonar I can have various versions of a vocal track or a kick drum happily sitting there muted awaiting on me taking a decision on which version to use. I can solo the "Vocal" or "Percussion" Folders without everything, including alternate versions, all sounding at the same time. This might be my biggest gripe with Cubase.
Some weird stuff: In Cubase you can scroll left/right by pressing SHIFT and using your scroll wheel but the really bizzare thing is that scrolling the wheel up scrolls the window to the right and scrolling the wheel down scrolls the window to the left. This is entirely counter intuitive and goes against all GUI conventions. It is a small thing b ut it is just weird and annoying.
There are probably more things but these are the first things that come to mind off the top of my head.
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Re:What can Cubase do that X1 can't?
2010/12/29 09:12:56
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... what can Cubase do that X1 can't? ...
Run on a Mac! 
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Re:What can Cubase do that X1 can't?
2010/12/29 10:09:51
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jamescollins
... what can Cubase do that X1 can't? ...
Run on a Mac!
indeed...That's ONE of the things that makes SONAR X1 far better than CUBASE... !!! ...64 bit support on Macs is still "primordial", for instance... while, on the contrary, They (at APPLE...) are very busy at making crappy "i-TOYs" for their new "target customers"... nothing to do with DAWS any longer... I'm grateful to Cakewalk as SONAR doesn't support those fake computers aimed at TOYS.... 
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Re:What can Cubase do that X1 can't?
2010/12/29 10:25:49
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I don't know what you talking about or what kind of strange X1 version you are using but this features are not available X1 VS Cubase 5
*Arranger Track (We have Matrix that are same as in Cubase 5 Arranger. I think Matrix are even more flexible and better then arranger)
*Notation (We still have notation but Cubase 5 have a far more advance notation)
*Articulation maps / VST Expression (In score editing check above)
* VST 3.0 plugin support, yes that sucks!
Vari Audio? You are joking right? X1 have countless of functions that Pitch, stretch, and tune audio. iZotope are far much better then VARI Audio.
Hi Freddie, mate.... To your right considerations above, I would add SONAR's Step Sequencer, much deeper and more powerful than any "little" toys that Cubase has in common.... Step Sequencer and the Matrix, in fact, make together a monstruous "arrangement building" duo.... That said, it's too obvious that both DAWs have their strong points, as they serve the same job, in their specific ways... So, no news... ...It's a question of preferring one method better than the other...
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Re:What can Cubase do that X1 can't?
2010/12/29 10:26:05
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So does anyone use more than one DAW?! I really want to know how people switch between them, using the best features from each, because I can't quite see how it's possible...
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Re:What can Cubase do that X1 can't?
2010/12/29 10:34:33
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jamescollins
So does anyone use more than one DAW?! I really want to know how people switch between them, using the best features from each, because I can't quite see how it's possible...
I do but not on the same project. (Unless you count an audio editor to edit/process individual audio clips). UnderTow
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Re:What can Cubase do that X1 can't?
2010/12/29 11:01:47
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UnderTow
A few things I prefer in Sonar off the top of my head:
In Cubase, the Track Inspector only shows one Tab at a time. It could be the Inserts Tab or the EQ Tab or the Level/Meter Tab etc. You can't see all the relevant information at the same time without opening one of the Mixer Views or the VST Channel wiondow. I find this very badly thought out. In Sonar you don't actually ever really need the Console view. Everything is accessible from the Track View.
UnderTow
Alt + Click will open all of them..........Ctrl +Alt +Click will open individual tabs.
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Re:What can Cubase do that X1 can't?
2010/12/29 11:47:18
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So does anyone use more than one DAW?! I really want to know how people switch between them, using the best features from each, because I can't quite see how it's possible...
Well, in my case, as you can see from my signature, I use both SONAR and SAMPLITUDE... SONAr for MIDI/AUDIO recording & Arrangements, SAMPLITUDE for its extensive AUDIO EDITOR/CD Authoring features... Point being, when it comes to building a song, I prefer SONAR for it has tons of specific creative tools (Matrix, Step Sequencer, Arpeggiator, wonderful Synths, ecc.) while SAMPLITUDE, IMO, has NO rivals when working with Audio deep editing features (FULL Wave editor, excellent Audio Fx, Vocoder, ecc.), and also provides a professional tool for CD Audio Authoring...). In fact, SAMPLITUDE (I really love this DAW...) in ITSELF covers features for which on the Steinberg side you should need both Cubase and Wavelab...!!! So, in the end, I have reasons to use them both...
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Re:What can Cubase do that X1 can't?
2010/12/29 12:01:49
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Alt + Click will open all of them..........Ctrl +Alt +Click will open individual tabs.
Holy Moses! You just made my day! It still isn't perfect and Sonar displays the information more efficiently but that helps quite a bit. Thanks! UnderTow
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Re:What can Cubase do that X1 can't?
2010/12/29 12:06:11
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I also do use Cubase casually, and I would never deny that it does some things better than Sonar just like the other way round. Anyway, all in all I prefer X1 significantly over Cubase 5 in everyday use: One key thing is that for my use I have the impression to get a MUCH better overview over any project in X1 than I ever had in Cubase: - I prefer the X1 track view information BY FAR over the Cubase track view - I found Xray and now find X1 screenshot possibilities miles ahead of Cubase window-toggling - to me the whole Skylight thing is a name for a concept I can grasp and like, and not just an advertising name But I could never prove if I know Cubase well enough, and perhaps just have a more intuitive approach using X1, for other than objective reasons. The decisive point is: it is completely irrelevant if it is obejective or subjective. The only thing that counts is how I get by. I could name more subjective things like preferring midi "load" instead of having to "import" it: Though in the end the two things are not more apart than our Metronome versions, and not of any fundamental meaning, I like one and dislike the other (midi-import). It doesn't make sense to name all the examples of logical or just felt differences in everyday use. But they exist for all of us. These are just examples of what users may like about a program. I don't belong to those who think they can prove a pseudo-objective superiority of one program over another. That's an absurd game, looking at the advanced things you can do with many DAWs, and not worth any effort, unless something fundemental is really not working. We just have to set our priorities, and work with the program of our choice. What's worth the effort, is testing various porgrams and finding out what you like most for your kind of work. In the end, despite using two (or more) programs casually, I catch myself using one most of the time. X1 has a good chance to stay there for quite some time, if the bug fixing makes good progress.
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Re:What can Cubase do that X1 can't?
2010/12/29 12:08:25
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jamescollins
Hi guys, thanks for the discussion! Obviously both are going to have advantages over the other in certain areas.
Back to my previous question - how do you guys integrate 2 different DAWs? OMF files don't carry plugin info do they? And exporting each individual track and importing it into the other host is insane. So how do you guys get the best of both worlds?
Well - I use Sonar in combination with Ableton Live. I use Live as a kind of "sketchbook" to make fast combinations of musical phrases. In this way it is a good tool to make some "building blocks" and lay down a base. As I really only use it as said "sketchbook" I do not use the full Live version, but only the cheap "intro" version. I was exited at first to see Sonar got it's matrix view, but sadly it is in no way as flexible as Live. I only use Live as a replacement for the matrix. I know Live is far more capable than only as "sketchbook", but I still prefer working in Sonar as this program has a better fit with my work flow. So there it is. The combination of the two programs gives me enough potential to do everything I need (and yes - I made the jump to X1 and like it).
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Re:What can Cubase do that X1 can't?
2010/12/29 12:12:44
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So does anyone use more than one DAW?! I really want to know how people switch between them, using the best features from each, because I can't quite see how it's possible...
Im a devoted Sonar user for many years now. I mainly create minimal, techno, tech house music and 3 - 4 years ago I started DJing in local clubs etc etc. I had a limited version of Ableton Live (acquired as OEM with a midi controller I had bought) and I had seen right from the start the capabilities of this program for a hybrid DJ-live performance set up. I started toying with it, one thing led to another, and soon Live became my go to software for performance - DJing. I had never, though liked it for production. I believed (and still do) it ermmmmm "pushes" its user into a more unimaginative - loop based approach of things (weird that I didnt like it, since the genres I produce are just that - loop based but annnnywaysss). I don't know how to express it, but trying to use Ableton Live for production almost seemed as "cheating" to me. The other gripe I had was its "arrangement view" - I always prefered the classic DAW view even though they seem similar and do provide the same functionalities. After many hours working with it on stage (erase that, DJ booth lol) I realised that its unique powers are two things: - the session view for quickly audition stuff, try things out and draft arrangement - the way it can mangle audio loops and bits (notice I say the way, nothing that other DAWs cant do, but its the fast way Live can do it) So, to answer your question nowadays and especially when I strive for inspiration I'll fire up Live (instead of Sonar) try out loops or basic midi riffs with synths untill it hits me. I then (speaking in Sonar terminology) bounce things to tracks or even export the bits I find interesting and then drop them in Sonar for further manipulation and arrangement. There are no particular rules for what I'll be bouncing and how ,, as in sometimes it might be a simple "percussion loop" made from a combination of 2,3,4 tracks or sometimes I might even end up exporting a simple 500msec "squeek" sound which I'll import in a sampler in Sonar and make an instrument out of it. No rules really, I like experimentation.
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Re:What can Cubase do that X1 can't?
2010/12/29 12:39:25
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jamescollins
Hi guys, thanks for the discussion! Obviously both are going to have advantages over the other in certain areas.
Back to my previous question - how do you guys integrate 2 different DAWs? OMF files don't carry plugin info do they? And exporting each individual track and importing it into the other host is insane. So how do you guys get the best of both worlds?
Hi, I´d say it is not really a problem if you keep these simple rules: Keep your VST plugin folder tidy. Decide wether to use 32 Bit or 64 Bit OS and only install the corresponding version. I would not install both versions, this could raise a lot of problems and clutter your system with a lot of unnecessary files. I personally use 64 bit OS and 64 Bit Versions of the host, and I try to avoid non-native 64 Bit plugins. I only use a handful which are certified to run with jBridge. Avoid the Cakewalk bridge, also avoid the Steinberg bridge, both work most of the time, but somehow I consider the wrapper concept of Jbridge to be more reliable. I still jBridge my Oxford plugins until I get an x64 update. It works. I´d suggest having one folder outside the Cakewalk or Steinberg folder, to keep these "neutral". I have C:\VSTPlugins and that´s it. Both x64 programs share the same plugins. If you ever install Reaper, you can point it to that directory as well. Also, there is lot of useless ages old stuff installed with Sonar. Do a custom install, and really think what you will need and what you do not need. Or simply go for the core program and install your third party plugins of choice. Regarding OMF, it does not carry plugin info, audio files, event position, loudness, panning. An engineer here liked to record in Sonar from time to time, exported OMF, imported in Cubase/Nuendo and take it from there. Or do the MIDI editing in Sonar if you feel more comfortable there, import the MIDI file into Cubase. Another way is of course decide which kind of project you will be working on and which strengths of which DAW you need. Then decide which one to use and stick to it for the whole production. Hope that helps.
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Re:What can Cubase do that X1 can't?
2010/12/29 12:51:42
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UnderTow
A few things I prefer in Sonar off the top of my head:
In Cubase, if you Solo a Track Folder, EVERYTHING in that Folder gets UnMuted and Soloed. In Sonar everything gets Soloed but the Muted tracks remain muted.
Some weird stuff: In Cubase you can scroll left/right by pressing SHIFT and using your scroll wheel but the really bizzare thing is that scrolling the wheel up scrolls the window to the right and scrolling the wheel down scrolls the window to the left. This is entirely counter intuitive and goes against all GUI conventions. It is a small thing b ut it is just weird and annoying.
There are probably more things but these are the first things that come to mind off the top of my head.
UnderTow
Hm.. I just checked the folder behavious in C5.5, if I mute a track in a folder, and if I Solo the folder which contains thre track, the track is still muted. So that works. You can also set the track to "defeat" then the S button becomes a rectangle by CTRL+Click and all above operation are ignored.. So I guess that is a very intelligent behaviour.. never had a problem with that. Regarding folders: Another big plus of Cubase (and I have requested this from Sonar sind 2007): It´s possible in Cubase since ages to create unlimited subfolder structures in folders... it´s called "nested" folders. Sonar does still not have it. The inspector can be configured what to show by right clicking and selecting what you want to have in your standard view. And you can always open ALL tabs by "Alt + Click".
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Re:What can Cubase do that X1 can't?
2010/12/29 12:54:10
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Hi Freddie:
I never said that my highlighted Cubase features were missing in Sonar. I only said I like and/or use them in Cubase.
I mostly use Cubase. I have had Sonar since 6, but have not used it much, so it would be silly for me to make any claims about Cubase having features that Sonar lacks. I never meant to state or even to imply such a thing.
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Re:What can Cubase do that X1 can't?
2010/12/29 12:57:42
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I can fully agree with thegeek.
Even the "small" Live 8 intro comes with a DVD (several GB) full of loops ready to be used. I played around a bit with them at first but got bored and never ever used one! It certainly feels like "cheeting" to use even one of them. I only use Live for MIDI or audio I played myself and nothing else. The only loops or sound phrases I use I have recorded myself (using a mobile setup or a more controlled environment).
I think using pre-baked loops is more of a hindrance than a help in the creative process. Sometimes playing around with them can be funny tough...
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Re:What can Cubase do that X1 can't?
2010/12/29 13:02:32
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Mod Bod
I mean, what exactly is "more professional" tempo handling? How is that different from amateur tempo handling?
Here is one example of Cubase Time Warp in action. This can't be done in Sonar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PMLha0Dhe8
EDIT: I see it is the same video that kubalibre posted. Just a different URL.
I could say, "Skylight" - Cubase doesn't have Skylight but what would that mean to a Cubase user?
Skylight is nothing but a marketing name. It doesn't mean or do anything. You might as well say that Sonar is a better DAW because it is called Sonar. ;-)
One of the great advantages to me of Cubase over Sonar is the rock solid audio engine. It doesn't gap or glitch. In Sonar all sorts of simple things make the audio engine gap (For instance changing the loop points) this is very distracting and breaks the musical workflow and feel.
UnderTow
That is one great feature, nicely implemented. A question comes to mind though... Maybe it's actually due to the guy who is demonstrating the software and the way he has Cubase set up or prefers to work, but it seems far from efficient in terms of workflow to have to first open the media bay to import the loop, then open another window (pool?) to enable looping. From what I remember, in my limited experience, this was one of the things I didn't really like in Cubase - too many windows to open to access functions (could be related to my own lack of experience w/ the software though).
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Re:What can Cubase do that X1 can't?
2010/12/29 13:03:10
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I may have thought of something that Cubase can do that Sonar (any version) cannot. The Cubase Key Command (Steinberg's name for a Key Binding) "CTRL-ALT-S" saves your project but increments the number. So "Stanky Rok Tun.cpr" becomes "Stanky Rok Tun 01.cpr" ("CPR" is the suffix for a Cubase project file). Can anybody tell me if something similar is available in Sonar (any version)? "Save as" and typing is more like a little speed-bump in my workflow. EDIT: Does Sonar offer Batch Export and/or Batch Processing? Again, I don't know; just asking because these are features that Cubase does offer.
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Re:What can Cubase do that X1 can't?
2010/12/29 13:09:06
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like preferring midi "load" instead of having to "import" it: Though in the end the two things are not more apart than our Metronome versions, and not of any fundamental meaning, I like one and dislike the other (midi-import).
*import MIDI* makes much more sense! think about it.. you *import* it into a Sonar project file, and you will most likely save a Sonar project file. OR *export MIDI* for further use. The only thing you *load* is a a project file. You also *import* audio files.. so to me *Midi load* does not make sense... but anyway, that is minor.
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Re:What can Cubase do that X1 can't?
2010/12/29 13:14:53
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Mod Bod
I mean, what exactly is "more professional" tempo handling? How is that different from amateur tempo handling?
Here is one example of Cubase Time Warp in action. This can't be done in Sonar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PMLha0Dhe8
EDIT: I see it is the same video that kubalibre posted. Just a different URL.
I could say, "Skylight" - Cubase doesn't have Skylight but what would that mean to a Cubase user?
Skylight is nothing but a marketing name. It doesn't mean or do anything. You might as well say that Sonar is a better DAW because it is called Sonar. ;-)
One of the great advantages to me of Cubase over Sonar is the rock solid audio engine. It doesn't gap or glitch. In Sonar all sorts of simple things make the audio engine gap (For instance changing the loop points) this is very distracting and breaks the musical workflow and feel.
UnderTow
Yes Nuendo are for much advance when it come to working with Film.
Problems with audio engine gap (For instance changing the loop points) ? Strange that doesn't happen for me in SONAR or any other program. Sounds more like bad audio-card driver or sharing of IRQ.
What platform and audiocard are you using? SONAR X1 x64 or x32?
Regards
Freddie
Well, Freddie - I, too, get gaps easily in Sonar when changing loop points; when inserting a synth, sometimes when dragging a loop wav file from one place to another, many places it happens. I guess there must be a whole bunch of us with IRQ and other problems you suggest we have. Too bad you're wrong lol ;)
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Re:What can Cubase do that X1 can't?
2010/12/29 13:15:35
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Mod Bod
I mean, what exactly is "more professional" tempo handling? How is that different from amateur tempo handling?
Here is one example of Cubase Time Warp in action. This can't be done in Sonar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PMLha0Dhe8
EDIT: I see it is the same video that kubalibre posted. Just a different URL.
I could say, "Skylight" - Cubase doesn't have Skylight but what would that mean to a Cubase user?
Skylight is nothing but a marketing name. It doesn't mean or do anything. You might as well say that Sonar is a better DAW because it is called Sonar. ;-)
One of the great advantages to me of Cubase over Sonar is the rock solid audio engine. It doesn't gap or glitch. In Sonar all sorts of simple things make the audio engine gap (For instance changing the loop points) this is very distracting and breaks the musical workflow and feel.
UnderTow
That is one great feature, nicely implemented.
A question comes to mind though... Maybe it's actually due to the guy who is demonstrating the software and the way he has Cubase set up or prefers to work, but it seems far from efficient in terms of workflow to have to first open the media bay to import the loop, then open another window (pool?) to enable looping.
From what I remember, in my limited experience, this was one of the things I didn't really like in Cubase - too many windows to open to access functions (could be related to my own lack of experience w/ the software though).
Nah... you have to view MediaBay differently. The MediaPool is already powerful, but its representing files which are actually associated with the project. MediaBay is something different. It is like Windows Explorer, but it is a sophisticated audio/preset/IR/plugin browser which offers meta tagging for all audio related files on your system, integration with plugin management etc. So if you are searching your HDs for material, synth presets etc., you would use MediaBay. From there any material is imported and shows then up in the Pool. There you set project specific behaviour.
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kubalibre
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Re:What can Cubase do that X1 can't?
2010/12/29 13:20:23
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I may have thought of something that Cubase can do that Sonar (any version) cannot.
The Cubase Key Command (Steinberg's name for a Key Binding) "CTRL-ALT-S" saves your project but increments the number.
So "Stanky Rok Tun.cpr" becomes "Stanky Rok Tun 01.cpr" ("CPR" is the suffix for a Cubase project file). Can anybody tell me if something similar is available in Sonar (any version)? "Save as" and typing is more like a little speed-bump in my workflow.
EDIT: Does Sonar offer Batch Export and/or Batch Processing? Again, I don't know; just asking because these are features that Cubase does offer.
Incremental saving.. Cubase has it but I am not sure if it´s there in Sonar... any Sonar experts here? As far as I know, no batch processing in Sonar. (But I use Wavelab for batch audio processing anyway..)
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ba_midi
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Re:What can Cubase do that X1 can't?
2010/12/29 13:20:36
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So does anyone use more than one DAW?! I really want to know how people switch between them, using the best features from each, because I can't quite see how it's possible...
Count me in as one who (occasionally) uses more than one DAW/Host. Like another reply in this thread, sometimes I use Live to get some ideas going and due to its excellent approach to building sections. Then I have a few options as to how I continue on with Sonar. Usually I get things the way I want them in Live, then export the audio - just like we would export in Sonar - the separate tracks into Sonar. Sometimes with and sometimes without the automation. I literally just finished a track done exactly that way. Works nice. As was also pointed out in this thread -- the Matrix has limitations. A few. So I don't even bother with it, as much as I wish they would make it a really strong utility (notice there was NO update for it in X1). Live excels in this area. Sonar excels in other areas, though.
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jimknopf
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Re:What can Cubase do that X1 can't?
2010/12/29 13:21:55
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@kubalibre: No, I sometimes just want to edit a pure midi file and save it again as SMF (e.g. for export to a workstation or whatever). Import and export makes no sense whatsoever for doing that. On the other hand, if I decide to develop a Sonar project from an SMF, I can still save it as a Sonar Project. Anyway, you're right that this is no key question: My main point was not being right about how I like it best. May even be that thorough reconsideration could lead to your perspective. My point is that there's a lot of personal approach, subjective impression and feel in how we work. Normally we don't admit that and try to defend a pseudo-objective view. Probably a professional studio engineer is less influenced by that kind of perception, but most users - and I count myself among them - are. And I just hope for more relaxed exchange about it, without all the "prove-it, enforce-it-on-others or-lose-your-face efforts" in forums.
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ba_midi
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Re:What can Cubase do that X1 can't?
2010/12/29 13:22:56
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Hi guys, thanks for the discussion! Obviously both are going to have advantages over the other in certain areas.
Back to my previous question - how do you guys integrate 2 different DAWs? OMF files don't carry plugin info do they? And exporting each individual track and importing it into the other host is insane. So how do you guys get the best of both worlds?
Well - I use Sonar in combination with Ableton Live. I use Live as a kind of "sketchbook" to make fast combinations of musical phrases. In this way it is a good tool to make some "building blocks" and lay down a base. As I really only use it as said "sketchbook" I do not use the full Live version, but only the cheap "intro" version.
I was exited at first to see Sonar got it's matrix view, but sadly it is in no way as flexible as Live. I only use Live as a replacement for the matrix. I know Live is far more capable than only as "sketchbook", but I still prefer working in Sonar as this program has a better fit with my work flow.
So there it is. The combination of the two programs gives me enough potential to do everything I need (and yes - I made the jump to X1 and like it).
Same here.
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