What does X1c do that 8.5 didn't do... that makes WinXP old and outdated?

I'm scratching my head trying to figure that one out.

If we strip the OS down to bare bones essentials for a dedicated DAW how much different is what's left of the OS package after we turn most of it off?

If we consider that X1 didn't really add anything except a few EFX modules to 8.5 why do we all abruptly need Win7?


I'm reading cursory dismissals about systems that run XP and I'm thinking to myself... "it's just an operating system".



Huh?


best regards,
mike

If we strip the OS down to bare bones essentials for a dedicated DAW how much different is what's left of the OS package after we turn most of it off?

That is just the problem with Vista/Win 7- you don't want or need to do that. In fact it will hurt X1 if one did.

XP was not good for DAW use but did work Vista and now Win 7 are far better for a DAW then XP ever was.

I'm reading cursory dismissals about systems that run XP and I'm thinking to myself... "it's just an operating system".

So is DOS or Win 95 but I don't think any one of us will try to run any version of Sonar on them.

With the improvements in Vista/Win 7 DAWs are in a golden age with better audio streaming.  Much better graphics updating and a much better and faster interface.

XP is for old technology Vista/Win 7 is for the new technology we have today.

One can't expect a developer to write code that will run optimally on an out of date OS when the new ones have much greater appeal for them and the end user.

XP is nearly dead and should go the way of all old OSs. Now if all one does is word processing and the like then stick with XP.  If one wants the best possible performance from heavy duty CPU hogging apps then it makes a lot of sense to be totally up to date not only with the OS but hardware as well.

You have seen the posts I have about Vista if not please search for them. XP can't hold a candle to it.

I am surfing on Win 7 right now.

It seems like an OS.



My CNC machine uses DOS because all the newer OSes have too many interrupts and the machine will go wild if it loses it's connection.

It seems like an OS.



My DAW runs great on XP. I can't imagine what I'd want a fancy GPU for... the fan noise?





FWIW, the Avid website still specifically advises that you strip Win7 down if you want to make best use of their products... and they have some terrific and extremely detailed videos showing how to do it in the "Customer Success" section.




I even stripped some of the Win 7 bloat off my general purpose laptop.




So what is it about X1 that makes XP old and tired?

Just wondering what's up.


best regards,
mike

I have a fan less graphics card.

How much CUDA can you do with a fan less graphics card?

The other thing I don't get is that so many people speak about upgrading to Win7 as if doing so will make a motherboard suddenly become equipped with all the new chips and stuff required to have all the direct access benefits of a contemporary system.

I like Win7 fine.

When I get a new system I'll get Win7.


However, it seems, to me, that the frequent recommendations that someone, running a clean XP system, should install Win7 as a matter of course is not the result of thoughtful consideration.

best regards,
mike

:-)

As always, my ol pal, you seem to have thought this through.

all the best,
mike

John

XP was not good for DAW use but did work Vista and now Win 7 are far better for a DAW then XP ever was. 

John, this statement is crap. It's B.S.
 
Ooohhh...  what did we ever do before Windows 7 came along? 
 
Oh yeah, I remember... we downgraded from Vista to XP, that's what. Remember that? Or did the men in black wipe your memory with that crazy little light pen thing?
 
No more Kool -Aid for you. You've obviously had your fill.
 
Or maybe you've just been hanging around Sixty-Four Bit Freddie too much lately... who knows.
If X1 is not designed to run well on XP, then XP should be removed as a minimum requirement. Or are we just trying to avoid the inevitable outcry that would result?
 
 
 

mike_mccue


I'm scratching my head trying to figure that one out.

If we strip the OS down to bare bones essentials for a dedicated DAW how much different is what's left of the OS package after we turn most of it off?

If we consider that X1 didn't really add anything except a few EFX modules to 8.5 why do we all abruptly need Win7?


I'm reading cursory dismissals about systems that run XP and I'm thinking to myself... "it's just an operating system".



Huh?


best regards,
mike

I run both as I still have a need to, although not for Sonar.

Sonar works fine and dandy under both OS's.

W7 uses more resources to stand itself up in, DPC latency is lower in XP.  I see more resources left available under Windows 7 however performance between 32 bit versions of Sonar is on a par.  If I load Sonar x64 which I can under W7 64 I have actual access to more memory.

There is a big difference between merely having a computer and setting up a complete system to work with.  If you cannot run your system satisfactorily due to lack of drivers or some such consideration that work with W7 then you have a choice of upgrading the hardware that drivers are not available or sticking with XP.

Other than that I find myself more drawn to using Windows 7 to using Sonar than I do using XP as a platform.

All things being equal, my hardware drivers work with both OS's, I prefer Windows 7 and would recommend it in it's 64 bit form in order to gain the advantage of being able to install larger amounts of RAM.

Even an abacus is not old and outdated if it is your preferred method of performing calculus so there is no necessity to change, but me, I'm liking Windows 7 just now.

keith

John

XP was not good for DAW use but did work Vista and now Win 7 are far better for a DAW then XP ever was.

I'm reading cursory dismissals about systems that run XP and I'm thinking to myself... "it's just an operating system".

So is DOS or Win 95 but I don't think any one of us will try to run any version of Sonar on them.

With the improvements in Vista/Win 7 DAWs are in a golden age with better audio streaming.  Much better graphics updating and a much better and faster interface.

XP is for old technology Vista/Win 7 is for the new technology we have today.

One can't expect a developer to write code that will run optimally on an out of date OS when the new ones have much greater appeal for them and the end user.

XP is nearly dead and should go the way of all old OSs. Now if all one does is word processing and the like then stick with XP.  If one wants the best possible performance from heavy duty CPU hogging apps then it makes a lot of sense to be totally up to date not only with the OS but hardware as well.

You have seen the posts I have about Vista if not please search for them. XP can't hold a candle to it.

John, this statement is crap. It's B.S.
 
Ooohhh...  what did we ever do before Windows 7 came along? 
 
Oh yeah, I remember... we downgraded from Vista to XP, that's what. Remember that? Or did the men in black wipe your memory with that crazy little light pen thing?
 
No more Kool -Aid for you. You've obviously had your fill.
 
Or maybe you've just been hanging around Sixty-Four Bit Freddie too much lately... who knows.
If X1 is not designed to run well on XP, then XP should be removed as a minimum requirement. Or are we just trying to avoid the inevitable outcry that would result?
 
 
 

Wow you must feel strongly about the OS others use.

You need to go back and read all the posts I made on Vista and how upset I was with all the bad mouthing it got. Why people had nothing good to say about it when it was fundamentally a great OS. Vista is a great OS. Windows 7 is Vista. It just offers a little less and with some underlying tweaks, but it is based on Vista.

All that applies to Win 7 also applies to Vista. Drivers, hardware and software all work equally well on either.

What was one big reason for the trauma with Vista was poor hardware support and the fact that hardware venders were selling XP machines as Vista ready when they were not. Many people got burned on that. And Vista got a bad rep because of that. Plus Apple did all it could to fan the flames. Much was all misinformation and still is. You prove that.

See this.about Vista.

musicman100

There are still PLENTY of XP users, and up to last week I was also, but I see the writing on the wall, and I upgraded to WIN 7 64 last week. Nw win 8 is around the corner...

Hey, I use both. And OSX 10 hours a day for work (which kicks all versions of Windows, BTW). But to say XP is/was no good for DAW use is laughable. It actually made me chuckle. Like saying the old gas-guzzling V8's from the 60's and 70's were really unusable technology compared to the ultra-efficient hybrids of today. Such selective memory we all have sometimes. 

Laughable. Yes that was why a small industry was made out of how to tweak XP to run well with a DAW. And we have a bad memory.  LOL. Vista/Win 7 runs well for DAW use out of the box no tweaking needed.

John


Laughable. Yes that was why a small industry was made out of how to tweak XP to run well with a DAW. And we have a bad memory.  LOL. Vista/Win 7 runs well for DAW use out of the box no tweaking needed.

So basically, it's like Mac OS, now. :s  And when folks were saying: Mac just work, or that they were better suited for music, all of us (me included) who were saying "nay" and that "Windows PC were just as good or even better" were in fact supporting that small industry you refer to...

If that bothers you so be it.

It doesn't at all, go right ahead, it won't change a thing between us.

There's no answer, really. :) I was just looking back and thinking...
And, well, yes, they do work pretty much as you'd expect a W7 PC to work I guess - out of the box, w/o the need to tweak. 

Good reasons to run Win7 over XP are having 4GB of RAM and newer breeds of video cards. Microsoft best support for 64bit OS is Win7 and moving forward to the future.
Also starting with Vista, the OS actively works the hard drive checking for integrity issues (magnetic drives for that matter). Vista/Win7 "sees" the memory system, from CPU cache, RAM, to hard drive cache as one monolithic structure. With XP, the end user should always run a scandisk and defragment periodically. Saying so, XP might still be better for applications (plugs for DAWS) written during its era.