Now all I was doing is just trying to have a decent conversation (which involves my reasonings--not arguments.  I am cool calm and positive in explaining my reasonings--not some negative stuck-up arrogant person).  I am being completely honest in explaining how I feel and with my reasonings.

Hey Matt did you figure out that the link I posted above was of the Mills brothers using their voices for every one of the instruments you hear in the sound tack of the movie?

They are just humming what they hear in their head... they displayed a genius for that sort of thing.



best regards,
mike

Have you considered using a program that converts pitch to midi. Melodyne comes to mind. A drum program, some VSTi's, some mixing chops and a mic could take you pretty far into your creations. 

Rocky

None of those guys could dance like the Mills Brothers.







Just saying.

Here is another taste of real deal genius





I'm guessing they wrote the lyrics them selves.

Yup...here's another "thought".  Since you seem to have music already mastered why not turn your thinking (it's actually called "daydreaming") to some other challenge.  How about world peace?  And please, let us know when you've got that sussed, would ya?

Also, one last thing in addition to my previous post is that I will only believe a scientist (someone who knows exceptionally well about the human brain and any mental talents that are possible).  If this scientist were to tell me that this so-called mental talent I have is just nonsense and my songs are somehow not what I feel they are, only then will I believe this scientist.  

I mean, there are people who have natural mental talents such as visualizing and creating visual works of art in their head, excellent memorization, etc.  But again, I will only believe a scientist if I am given absolute proof that I don't have a mental talent for making music in my head and that my feelings about my songs are somehow false.

MattMVS7

But again, I will only believe a scientist if I am given absolute proof that I don't have a mental talent for making music in my head and that my feelings about my songs are somehow false. 

  Nobody has said, "you do not have talent."   Obviously you have musical talent....   Everybody does.   Music is: The most common creative talent exhibited in the human species. 
Everybody can sing, or hear sounds in their head..   Everybody.   Music is communication.  We all do it.  Even deaf people.

We are a musical species.

So..

"forget the scientist. You do not need one."  The answer is, "yes," you've got musical talent.


The question is, "are you bruce lee?"  or mozart, or beethoven, or chopin, etc, etc, etc...   That is, "the rare talent."   

I can fly. Now YOU prove to me that I can't fly.

MattMVS7

drewfx1


If someone can't use virtual any music program to string together a few notes to create new and memorable melodies, then chances are their "talent" is imagining that they are much better than they actually are.

If they claim it's not melody that they're uniquely talented at, but rhythm or arranging or whatever, even though they have no experience actually doing those things, then chances are their "talent" is imagining that they are much better than they actually are. 

You don't have to have knowledge of music theory or the experience in physically making music.  Obviously, you can have a talent in creating great music/melodies in your head (a true talent--not something that is imagined).

As someone who's been doing this for decades, I can say that I've met lots of people who think they "have an ear for music" just because they happen to like music. 

Please don't make me pull up a bunch of youtube's of movie and TV actors who were just sure they were immensely talented singers.

People with real musical talent are generally absolutely driven to get it out. That's why they devote hours and days and weeks and months and years to work at it. And in the process they learn layer upon layer of subtleties that someone who just listens to (and/or imagines) music can't begin to comprehend.

And if you can't get it out of your head, you can't claim you have "true talent--not something that is imagined" - because the only thing you actually have is something that exists only in your own imagination.

Anyone can imagine they have talent. Unfortunately, contrary to people's imagination of their own abilities, real talent is very rare. And just believing or imagining you could do something you can't actually, you know, do is definitely not a reliable indicator of latent talent. But people with a gift for melody will often show it even if you hand them an instrument they don't actually know how to play at all.

Luckily, learning to play a little music is not impossible, particularly in the modern world. And though often difficult and time consuming, it can be very rewarding even for those without immense talent. At least as long as one doesn't get upset that the world isn't overly impressed with their talent - but in that case it probably wasn't ever really about music in the first place anyway.

MattMVS7


Also, one last thing in addition to my previous post is that I will only believe a scientist (someone who knows exceptionally well about the human brain and any mental talents that are possible).  If this scientist were to tell me that this so-called mental talent I have is just nonsense and my songs are somehow not what I feel they are, only then will I believe this scientist.  

I mean, there are people who have natural mental talents such as visualizing and creating visual works of art in their head, excellent memorization, etc.  But again, I will only believe a scientist if I am given absolute proof that I don't have a mental talent for making music in my head and that my feelings about my songs are somehow false.

  So essentially you just came here to tell us how awesome you are, right? 

Well good for you. Enjoy being awesome. I'll continue making ACTUAL music that OTHER human beings can HEAR and hopefully enjoy.

I'll also do my best to avoid being a delusional bloviating narcissist in the process.

Have a nice day. 

BTW... I actually am a scientist. I mean I don't have any degrees in science or anything but in my head I've got the laws of physics TOTALLY figured out. Even all that fancy brain stuff. I can't write it out or explain it to you but rest assured... I have scientifically deduced you are an arse.

Link's gonna be pissed having to save the princess while some weirdo is belching "CHALLA WALLA" over and over again into his pointy little ears.

@Beepster:  Now I am being completely honest in explaining myself.  All I'm trying to do is wanting to learn about this so-called mental music talent of mine and if it's as powerful as I say it is.  I am wanting to learn about feelings in music, musical mental talents, etc when making my posts.

@ohgrant... Yeah, that became pretty apparent a little while ago but if he enjoys being a punching bag I got some extra internet rage-ahol to spare. ;-) 

Just annoyed I wasted time typing up that little bit of theory for him. Glad I didn't go into more depth.

Cheers.

After listening to your ideas in your first post my impression is that your ideas are not that great to start with. Sorry but as someone who has written music for trailers and many other things I am of the opinion that the ideas are only mediocre at best.

It is only after you do all the hard work and also listen to the greatness that many others have produced you then start to realise that your original ideas are pretty boring. But that does not mean though that your ideas are always going to be mediocre. The good news is that after the hard work they should get better.

The problem here is that your are delusional in thinking your ideas are great, sorry they are not. It is only you who thinks that they are great. But it is good that you are at least getting ideas. Do some listening and you will start to get the idea. How much real listening do you do.

Melodic ideas are one thing but what about the harmony that goes with that and then what about the arrangement and what everything else is doing to support melodies and harmony. The rhythm. You have got a long way to go. But unless you do the real work and it is a long hard road in some respects those mediocre ideas will only ever stay that way and they will never progress beyond that. You will probably remain frustrated. Frustration is often a result of not being able to fully express yourself.